With the Lionel Andrades model in the interpretation of Vatican Council II, liberal religious communities and even cardinals and bishops may end up in the same position as the Society of St. Pius X. They may want to reject Vatican Council II.

With the Lionel Andrades model in the interpretation of Vatican Council II, liberal religious communities  and even cardinals and bishops may end up in the same position as the Society of St. Pius X. They may want to reject Vatican Council II.

This would also include the cardinal and archbishops at the Ecclesia Dei and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF).

Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are acceptable to cardinals Sean o Malley, Vince Nicols and others, since they assume that the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) are exceptions to the centuries old interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).They accept the reasoning of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.
With the L.A model BOD is not rejected since it is invisible in the present times. It is accepted as being hypothetical.So it is not an exception to EENS. This was the understanding of the Church for centuries.

This is a different way of looking at this issue and yet it is the old way.

The liberal cardinals and bishops cannot reject it.They cannot say that they will not accept a hypothetical BOD, BOB and I.I.Since BOD, BOB and I.I can only be hypothetical.This is common knowledge.

They cannot say that they refuse to accept EENS without exceptions; EENS must have BOD, BOB and I.I with exceptions.But there are no practical exceptions.This is reality.

Do you think the liberal cardinals and bishops will accept Vatican Council II  with this hermeneutic of continuity with EENS and the Syllabus of Errors ?

Will they not reject Vatican Council II since it is no more a rupture with Tradition for them?  -Lionel Andrades



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When Ad Gentes 7 mentions :-

Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." (AG 7) It is an error . It comes from the mistake in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949

Similarly when it states the following, it is also an error from the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston.

Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him(AG 7)

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/there-is-mistake-in-ad-gentes-7vatican.html

The Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II is unique. Any one can use it.It has many advantages.There are many reports on this blog and also on line which explain it.

The Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II is unique. Any one can use it.It has many advantages.There are many  reports on this blog and also on line which explain it.

The difference between the common interpretation of Vatican Council II and my model, comes about when the distinction is made between what is physically visible or invisible.Since if there is an exception to traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), there would have to be a known case, a visible person.

So I am not putting forward any new theology but mainly observing that the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood (BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance, refer to hypothetical cases only for us human beings. 

All I am saying is that there is no visible case of a non Catholic saved outside the Church.There are no personally known exceptions to EENS this year.

Generally every one agrees with me.BOD, BOB and I.I are always invisible cases. This is common sense.

We can hope and wish that someone outside the Church is saved but we cannot know. We do not know. 

Neither can we say that there were 20 BOD cases this year, or 30 cases of I.I last year. We cannot know.

I cannot see someone saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance.

These people if they exist can only be seen by God.

The Church can declare someone a saint but cannot say that the saint died without the baptism of water.There is no known extra ordinary means of salvation.Since no one on earth can know.

The ordinary means of salvation is faith and baptism(AG 7).

Neither does the Church say that someone on earth, has a special gift to see people in Heaven saved outside the Church.

Human beings within the Church,living on earth, cannot see people in Heaven and neither does the Catholic Church claim to know any one who has this gift, and whose views they accept.

With the L.A interpretation of Vatican Council II this error is avoided.BOD,BOB and I.I always refer to invisible cases.Similarly LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II always refer to hypothetical cases.

So BOD, BOB and I.I are not a rupture with EENS.

Neither is Vatican Council II a rupture with EENS.

EENS itself is not different from EENS as it was known to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century.

So the old ecclesiology of the Church is intact before and after Vatican Council II.

Since there is no known salvation outside the Church there can only be the old ecumenism.There is no rupture with the Syllabus of Errors.There are no exceptions to the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church.

So Mission is traditional. Since most people are on the way to Hell since they die without faith and baptism which is needed for salvation(AG 7).Hence the need for the proclamation of the necessity of membership in the Catholic Church to avoid Hell( for salvation).

It was based on the past ecclesiolgy that the Social Reign of Christ the King and the non separation of Church and State was proclaimed in the past.

So this is the advantage of the L.A interpretation of Vatican Council II and other magisterial documents.

-Lionel Andrades

SEPTEMBER 11, 2018

So now all religious communities simply have to affirm Vatican Council II, as if there was no problem,by using the Lionel Andrades model

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/09/so-now-all-religious-communities-simply.html