The Peter Dimond -Nick Santosuossa debate is at the center of the theological and spriitual crisis in the Church

The debate/discussion between Peter Dimond and Nick Santosuosso is at the center of the theological crisis, and so also the spiritual crisis in the Church.

MAGISTERIAL DOCUMENTS OBSOLETE

If Nick is correct then the Athanasius Creed, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX,are obsolete.They are obsolete for Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger and Fr. Luiz Ladaria sj, in two papers of the International Theological Commission.

FALSE PREMISE CREATES NEW THEOLOGY

With the false premise used to interpret the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) there is a New Theology in the Catholic Church which says outside the Church there is known salvation.

Since there are allegedly known people saved outside the Catholic Church there is no need to proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King in all political legislation. There is also no need for traditional Mission based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church is the view supported by Pope Benedict.So there is no need to restrict prayers and spirituality to the Catholic Church only, supporters of Nick could argue.We could even follow the Protestants on faith and morals, since they can be saved outside the Church.

THERE ARE NO LITERAL CASES OF BOD, BOB AND I.I IN 2001

Peter Dimond though traditional was not correcting Nick Santosuoossa directly.Instead he would return to the dogmatic teaching on EENS. He would not answer Nick’s citation of BOD, BOB and I.I. Peter would not say that there are no literal examples of BOD, BOB and I.I in 2021 or 1965 or 1949.He did not tell Nick that in real life we cannot know of any practical exceptions to EENS.While BOD is always implicit, speculative and imaginative for us and explicit for only God.This is common sense which was known over history.The past Magisterium did not use the false premise to interpret BOD, BOB and I.I as did the popes from Pius XII to Francis.

IMPORTANT POINT LEFT OUT

This important point was not brought out. Irrespective if the Church documents quoted were fallible or infallible, a theological view or a Magisterial teaching, there are no literal cases of BOD, BOB and I.I in the present times(2001). -Lionel Andrades

https://endtimes.video/baptism-of-desire-debate-june-2021/

JUNE 11, 2021

Vatican Council II is dogmatic

 

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE LIONEL ANDRADES INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II

1.What's so special about the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II ?

It does not use the common fake premise.It's a simple, rational and different way to read Vatican Council II.

2.What's so special about the Lionel Andrades interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS)?

It does not use the common false premise to interpret the baptism of desire(BOD), invincible ignorance(I.I) and the baptism of blood(BOB).So there are no practical exceptions for EENS.EENS is traditonal and BOD, BOB and I.I are interpreted rationally.It's not EENS or BOB,BOB and I.I. Since the latter are not exceptions for the former.

3.Is the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Magisterial documents copy writed or trademarked? 

No. Any one can use it. There is no charge.It is simply going back to the traditiional interpretation of Church documents, without the false premise. The false premise came into the Church in a big way, with the Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr. Leonard Feeney(1949).

4.How did the Lionel Andrades interpretation of VC 2 emerge?

He kept writing on his blog on EENS and then discovered that Vatican Council II does not really contradict EENS if the false premise is avoided.

5.Is the LA interpretation of VC2 a new theology?

No. It is going back to the old, traditional theology of the Catholic Church by avoiding the false premise.It is the false premise which has created the New Theology.Without the false premise there cannot be the New Ecumenism, New Evangelisation, New Ecclesiology etc.The New Theology is Cristocentric without the past ecclesiocentrism of the Church.Since exceptions were created to EENS, the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors etc, by projecting a false premise.The error was overlooked by the popes.

6.What about traditional, 16th century Mission doctrine?

With the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II we return to traditional Mission doctrine. It is no more 'only they need to enter the Church who know about it', who are not in invincible ignorance(LG 14) Instead, it is all need to enter the Catholic Church with no known exception.Invincible ignorance is not an exception to all needing to enter the Church with faith and the baptism(LG 14).So we evangelize since all non Catholics are oriented to Hell without faith and the baptism of water( Ad Gentes 7/Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II. The norm for salvation is faith and baptism and not invincible ignorance.When I meet a non Catholic, I cannot assume or pretend to know, that he or she is an exception to the norm. If there is an exception it could be known only to God.I know that the non Catholic before me, is oriented to Hell( Athanasius Creed, Vatican Council II(AG 7, LG 14),Catechism of the Catholic Church(845,846,1257),Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX, etc).

7.What about the hermeneutic of continuity or rupture with Tradition ?

With the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II there is no rupture with past Magisterium documents and neither do they contradict each other.We have to re-interpret past Magisterial documents though, which mention the baptism of desire(BOD) and invincible ignorance(I.I), as being hypothetical and invisible always.Being saved with BOD and I.I are always physically invisible, when they are mentioned in the Catechisms( Trent, Pius X etc) and encyclicals and documents of the popes(Mystici Corporis etc).They always refer to hypothetical cases only and are not objectively known non Catholics.If someone is saved outside the Church he or she could only be known to God.This has to be clear when reading also the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston.There is also no confusion when reading the text of Vatican Council II.LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3,NA 2,GS 22 etc, refer always to only hypothetical cases and so they do not contradict the Athanasius Creed.

8.Should the popes use the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II ?

YES! Since presently the two popes are schismatic, heretical, non Magisterial and non traditional on Vatican Council II.It has to be this way since they use the false premise.It is only with the false premise, inference and conclusion that they interpret Magisterial documents. This can be avoided with a rational premise, inference and traditional conclusion.The result is a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition.

9.What other advantage is there in knowing the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II ?

We read the text of Vatican Council II in general differently with the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II.

’The red is not an exception to the blue’.The hypothetical passages( marked in red on the blog Eucharist and Mission, are not practical exceptions to the orthodox passages in Vatican Council II which support EENS, and are marked in blue.

For the present two popes and the traditionalists the red is an exception to the blue. This is irrational.

10.What bearing does it have on the liturgy ?

Without the false premise the Council is traditional. Vatican Council II is in harmony with extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to the missionaries in the 16th century.So we are back to the past ecclesiocentric ecclesiology of the Catholic Church. When the Council is traditional there is no 'development of doctrine' or 'sprit of Vatican Council II'. Collegiality, Religious Freedom and ecumenism are no more an issue. So receiving Holy Communion on the hand can no more be justified with Vatican Council II.Neither can the Eucharist be given to the divorced and re-married, in the name of the Council.

Neither can the German Synod be justified by citing Vatican Council II.There is no theological basis in the Council, any more, for given the Eucharist to Protestants during Holy Mass.

11.What is the essence of this interpretation?

It is the listing of the rational and irrational premise, inference and conclusion. It identifies  two different premises with two different conclusions. So the rational premise produces a traditional conclusion and the Vatican Council II is in harmony with Tradition. It has a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition even though Rahner, Congar, Rarzinger and Cushing were present at the Council in 1965.

Collegiality, ecumenism and religious liberty are no more an issue for the conservatives , when Vatican Council II is traditional.  

 Lumen Gentium 8, Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 ecc. oin Vatican Council II refer to only physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.

12.Vatican Council II is dogmatic ?

Yes. Pope Paul VI and the liberals call Vatican Council II "pastoral" and not dogmatic. Since they do not want to affirm the rigorous interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). 

 Ad Gentes 7 (all need faith and baptism for salvation) supports the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) while the hypothetical cases mentioned in LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NS 2, GS 22 etc.  cannot be objective exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 in 1965-2021. So there is nothing in the text of the Council that contradicts 16th century EENS or the Athanasius Creed or the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX on there being exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.

The Second Vatican Council affirms the dogma EENS with Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14 .While the Council does not contradict EENS or Ad Gentes  7 and Lumen Gentium 14, with LG 8, LG 16, UR 3, GS 22 etc. Since if someone was saved outside the Church, he would be known only to God. They are not part of our reality. They are invisible in 1965-2021.

When Pope Francis says that the Second Vatican Council is the Magisterium of the Church he must refer to a pro-EENS dogmatic Council with the hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition.

Without their false premise the Council is dogmatic. It supports the rigorous interpretation of EENS.This was EENS according to the missionaries and the Magisterium of the sixteenth century. LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NS 2, GS 22 etc., in the Second Vatican Council, if interpreted rationally, cannot be practical exceptions to EENS. Invisible cases in our reality cannot be objective exceptions to EENS. For example, to get on the bus you have to be present at the bus station. If you are not physically at the bus stop it is not possible to get on the bus.

Another example is, if there is an apple in a box of oranges, the apple is an exception since it is there in the box. If it was not there in that box it would not be an exception. Similarly LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3 etc.,refer only to hypothetical cases. We cannot meet or see anyone saved outside the Church, without faith and the baptism of water. So the Council is not referring to real people, known people in the present times.

Unknown and invisible cases of the baptism of desire (LG 14) and of being saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) cannot be objective exceptions for EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.There is no conflict.

So when Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally it is dogmatic. -Lionel Andrades

Fake premise

Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.

Fake inference

They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

Fake conclusion

Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.

Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.

Rational Premise

LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference

They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.

Rational Conclusion

Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.

The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/05/there-is-no-denial-from-congregation.html   

Lionel Andrades

Promoter of the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II.Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only pastoral.

Catholic lay man in Rome,

Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.

It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.There can be two interpretations.

Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, non traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional ?

Blog: Eucharist and Mission (eucharistandmission )

E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com

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Nella mia parrocchia i sacerdoti Brasiliani, i catechisti Italiani e tutta la parrocchia con l'approvazione del vescovo, re-interpretando i Credo, il Primo Commandamento, il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, i Catechismi e il Concilio Vaticano II con una falsa premessa e fanna una falsa rottura con la Tradizione

Nella mia parrocchia guardo il battesimo di desiderio (BOD), battesimo di sangue (BOB).Invincibile ignoranza (II) come solo ipotetici, esistono solo nella nostra mente - ma per i sacerdoti brasiliani, i catechisti italiani e i parrocchiani, sono persone oggettive, conosciute, non cattoliche, salvate senza il battesimo d'acqua e la fede cattolica.Così per tutti gli altri diventano eccezioni pratiche al vecchio insegnamento sul fuori della Chiesa non c'è salvezza, ma non per me.

Il Credo di Atanasio dice che tutti hanno bisogno della fede cattolica per la salvezza e questo Credo non menziona alcuna eccezione ma per la parrocchia ci sono eccezioni. Ci sono eccezioni poiché BOD, BOB e II sono erroneamente fatti eccezioni. Quindi la parrocchia ha rifiutato l'originale Credo Athanasio e lo ha reso obsoleto. Questo è approvato dal vescovo e dai sacerdoti.

Hanno anche cambiato la comprensione del Credo di Nicea e ne hanno rifiutato il significato originale. Questo è un peccato di fede, è un peccato mortale di fede.

Siamo anche obbligati a credere nel Primo Comandamento di Mosè che dice: "Io sono il Signore Dio tuo, non avrai altro Dio di me". Dopo la venuta del Messia e la Morte e Risurrezione di Gesù, Suo Sacrificio, come profetizzato dai profeti ebrei ,Dio Padre vuole che tutti gli uomini siano uniti nella Chiesa Cattolica (CCC 845), la Chiesa è il Corpo Mistico di Gesù ed è come l'Arca di Noè che salva tutti dal diluvio, che salva tutti dall'andare all'Inferno. Fuori del Gesu nella Chiesa Cattolica non c'è salvezza( AG 7,CCC 846). Gli ebrei aspettavano il Messia ma lui è venuto e non lo sapevano. Verrà di nuovo.

Quindi solo nella Chiesa Cattolica c'è il vero culto (UR 3) e i Cattolici sono il nuovo popolo di Dio (NA 4), il nuovo popolo eletto. Ma quando BOD, BOB e II vengono interpretati con una premessa falsa (le persone invisibili sono visibili,sono esempi di salvezza al di fuori della Chiesa, le persone salvate in Cielo sono visibili anche fisicamente sulla terra) il dogma EENS viene rifiutato. Quindi la parrocchia crede che fuori dalla Chiesa Cattolica ci sia la salvezza e quindi c'è il vero culto nelle altre religioni, non cristiane e anche tra i pagani, come nella Amazzonia.

Questa è eresia di prim'ordine. È anche scisma con i papi passati e il Magistero nel corso dei secoli. È una rottura con la Tradizione Cattolica.La rottura è creata interpretando BOD, BOB e II con una premessa falsa e poi estendendo l'errore a LG 8,LG 14,LG 16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 ecc. nel Concilio Vaticano II. La parrocchia affermerebbe quindi che il Concilio Vaticano II è una rottura con la Tradizione (Credo di Atanasio, EENS ecc.).

Quindi ai bambini Cattolici non viene insegnato nel catechismo parrocchiale che c'è salvezza esclusiva solo nella Chiesa Cattolica e in Paradiso ci sono solo Cattolici.

Per essere politicamente corretti con la sinistra i sacerdoti brasiliani Joselitos Christo e i Catechisti italiani Enzo,Giorgio ecc., reinterpretano Credi, Comandamenti, il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Catechismi e Concilio Vaticano II con una falsa premessa e creano una falsa rottura con la Tradizione.

Rifiutano gli insegnamenti de fide della Chiesa Cattolica che non possono essere cambiati e in cui tutti hanno bisogno di credere. Offrono la Santa Messa con questo scandalo e io devo venire a loro per ricevere l'Eucaristia.

Quando il Comitato dell'Immacolata, che sovrintende ai proprieta parrocchiali, permette tutte queste dottrine e teologia non cattoliche nella parrocchia di Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Roma, permette il peccato e fanno parte del problema.- Lionel Andrades

ENGLISH TRANSLATION

JUNE 23, 2021

In my parish the Brazilian priests, Italian catechists and the whole parish with the approval of the bishop, re-interpret the Creeds, First Commandment, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Catechisms and Vatican Council II with a fake premise and create a fake rupture with Tradition.

 In my parish I look at the baptism of desire(BOD),baptism of blood (BOB) and Invincible ignorance ( I.I) as being only hypothetical, they exist only in our mind - but for the Brazilian priests, Italian catechists and the parishioners, they are objective, known people, non Catholics, saved without the baptism of water and Catholic faith.So for every one else they become practical exceptions to the old teaching on outside the Church there is no salvation- but not for me.

The Athanasius Creed says all need Catholic faith for salvation and this Creed does not mention any exceptions but for the parish there are exceptions.There are exceptions since BOD, BOB and I.I are wrongly made into exceptions.So the parish has rejected the original Athanasius Creed and made it obsolete.This is approved by the bishop and the priests.

They have also changed the understanding of the Nicene Creed and rejected its original meaning.This is a sin of faith, it is a mortal sin of faith.

We are also obliged to believe in the First Commandment of Moses which says “I am the Lord your God you shall have no other God but me”.After the Coming of the Messiah and the Death and Resurrection of Jesus as prophesised by the Jewish prophets,God the Father wants all people to be united in the Catholic Church (CCC 845), the Church is Jesus’ Mystical Body and it is like the Ark of Noah that saves all from the flood, that saves all from going to Hell.Outside the Church there is no salvation( AG 7,CCC 846).The Jews were waiting for the Messiah but he came and they did not know it. He will come again.

So only in the Catholic Church there is true worship(UR 3) and Catholics are the new people of God(NA 4), the new Chosen People.But when BOD, BOB and I.I are interpreted with a false premise( invisible people are visible examples of salvation outside the Church,people saved in Heaven are also physically visible on earth) the dogma EENS is rejected. So the parish believes outside the Catholic Church there is salvation and so there is true worship in other religions,non Christian religions and among pagans too, like in the Amazon.

This is first class heresy.It is also schism with the past popes and the Magisterium over the centuries.It is a rupture with Catholic Tradition created by intepreting BOD, BOB and I.I with a false premise and then extending the error to LG 8,LG 14,LG 16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II.The parish would then claim that Vatican Council II is a rupture with Tradition (Athanasius Creed,EENS etc).

So Catholic children are not taught in parish-Catechism that there is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church and in Heaven there are only Catholics.

To be politically correct with the Left the Brazilian Joselitos Christo priests and the Italian Catechists,re-interpret the Creeds,Commandments, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus,Catechisms and Vatican Council II with a fake premise and create a fake rupture with Tradition.

They reject de fide teachings of the Catholic Church which cannot be changed and in which all need to believe in.They offer Holy Mass with this scandal and I have to go up to them to receive the Eucharist.

When the Comitato dell Immaculata, which oversees the parish property, permits all these non Catholic, doctrines and theology in the parish of Santa Maria di Nazareth,Casalotti,Rome,they condone sin and are part of the problem.. -Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/06/in-my-parish-brazilian-priests-italian.html

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JUNE 22, 2021

Nella mia parrocchia i sacerdoti, i catechisti e i parrocchiani interpretano irrazionalmente il Credo di Nicea e Atanasio: questo è un peccato mortale pubblico.La nostra Professione di Fede è diversa

 

Nella mia parrocchia i sacerdoti, i catechisti e i parrocchiani interpretano irrazionalmente il Credo di Nicea e Atanasio: questo è un peccato mortale pubblico.La nostra Professione di Fede è diversa

Nella mia parrocchia i sacerdoti e i catechisti interpretano casi sconosciuti del battesimo di desiderio (BOD) e dell'ignoranza invincibile (I.I) come persone conosciute ed esempi oggettivi di salvezza al di fuori della Chiesa e quindi eccezioni pratiche al Credo di Atanasio. Questo Credo dice che tutti hanno bisogno la Fede Cattolica per la salvezza, e il Credo non menziona alcuna eccezione.

Per me casi sconosciuti del BOD e I.I non possono essere eccezioni conosciute e oggettive al Credo di Atanasio.

I sacerdoti ei catechisti ei parrocchiani non possono affermare il Credo di Atanasio e il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). Questa è eresia di prim'ordine e un peccato mortale pubblico. Non lo negano.

In questa condizione, senza che pongano fine allo scandalo, devo salire a ricevere l'Eucarestia nella S. Messa in italiano.

A parte il Credo di Atanasio c'è un problema anche con il Credo di Nicea. Per me il Credo di Nicea dice “Credo in un solo battesimo per la remissione dei peccati”, è un riferimento al battesimo d'acqua. Non conosco nessuno che sono salvato con il BOD o I.I.

Non conosco nessuno salvato al di fuori della Chiesa Cattolica con la fede e il battesimo d'acqua.

Ma per i sacerdoti, catechisti e parrocchiani di Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Roma, il Credo Niceno dice proprio: «Credo in tre o più battesimi per il perdono del peccato; del desiderio, del sangue, dell'ignoranza invincibile ecc., ed escludono il battesimo dell'acqua nella Chiesa Cattolica (e quindi ci sono eccezioni pratiche all'EENS Feeneyite;EENS traditionale, per loro). Quindi la comprensione dei Credo di Nicea è stata cambiata. Questo è peccato mortale pubblico.

La comprensione del Credo di Nicea da parte della parrocchia e la mia comprensione sono diverse. Quindi anche la nostra Professione di Fede durante la Santa Messa sarebbe diversa.

E devo salire a ricevere l'Eucaristia nella Messa senza che loro ritrattano e correggano l'errore, che è comune in questa diocesi di Porta Santa Rufina,Roma ora sotto l'amministrazione dell'Arcivescovo di Civitavecchia e del Vaticano.

Sacerdoti e laici sono tenuti ad affermare i Credo senza alcuna innovazione.

Con BOD e I.I che si riferiscono a persone visibili salvate al di fuori della Chiesa (e quindi c'è una presunta salvezza conosciuta al di fuori della Chiesa) il Primo Comandamento è diverso oggi per i Cattolici. Significa che non c'è solo il vero culto nella Chiesa Cattolica ma anche in altri religioni che hanno falso culto e idoli.-Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/06/in-my-parish-brazilian-priests-italian.html

2 ENGLISH TRANSLATION

UNE 22, 2021

In my parish the priests, catechists and parishioners interpret the Nicene and Athanasius Creed irrationally : this is a public mortal sin , our profession of faith is different

In my parish the priests and catachists interpret unknown cases of the baptism of desire(BOD) and invincible ignorance(I.I) as being known people and objective examples of salvation outside the Church and so practical exceptions to the Athanasius Creed.This Creed  says all need the Catholic faith for salvation, and the Creed does not mention any exceptions.

For me unknown cases of the BOD and I.I cannot be known and objective exceptions to the Athanasius Creed.

The priests and catechists and the parishioners cannot affirm the Athanasius Creed and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).This is first class heresy and a public mortal sin.They do not deny this.

In this condition, without their ending the scandal, I have to go up to receive the Eucharsit at Holy Mass in Italian.

Aside from the Athanasius Creed there is a problem also with the Nicene Creed.For me the Nicene Creed says “I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins”,it is a reference to the baptism of water.I don’t know of any one saved with the BOD or I.I.

I don’t know of any one saved outside the Catholic Church with faith and the baptism of water.

But for the priests, catechists and parishioners of Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti,Boccea,Rome,the Nicene Creeds really says, « I believe in three or more baptisms for the forgiveness of sin, desire, blood , invincible ignorance etc and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church( and so there are practical exceptions to Feeneyite EENS for them).So the understanding of the Nicene Creeds has been changed. This is public mortal sin.

The parish’s understanding of the Nicene Creed and my understanding is different.So our Profession of Faith at Holy Mass would also be different.And I have to go up to receive the Eucharist at Mass without them recanting and correcting the error, which is common in this diocese of Porta Santa Rufina, now under the administration of the Archbishop of Civitavecchia and the Vatican.

Priests and lay people are expected to affirm the Creeds without any innovation.

With BOD and I.I referring to visible people saved outside the Church( and so there is alleged known salvation outside the Church) the First Commandment is different today for Catholics.It means that there is not only true worship in the Catholic Church but also in other religions which have false worship and idols.-Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/06/in-my-parish-brazilian-priests-italian.html

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Ci sono buoni sacerdoti nella mia parrocchia ma interpretano i Credo e i documenti Magistrali in modo irrazionale: S. Alfonso Liguori dice di non salire a ricevere l'Eucaristia da un sacerdote in pubblico peccato mortale

Ci sono buoni sacerdoti nella parrocchia Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Roma. Però Sant'Alfonso Liguori, padre della Teologia Morale dice che se c'è un sacerdote in pubblico peccato mortale non salite a ricevere da lui l'Eucaristia. Dal momento che se lo facessi gli diresti che va tutto bene anche se la sua anima è orientata verso l'Inferno.

 Sant'Alfonso dice che se non c'è altro mezzo per adempiere al tuo obbligo domenicale, allora sali da lui per ricevere l'Eucaristia nella Messa (Teologia Moralis, Bk.3,N.46). Nella mia parrocchia, come nel resto della diocesi, i sacerdoti interpretano i Simboli in modo irrazionale poiché politicamente corretto con la Sinistra e il Vaticano. Rigettano il Credo di Atanasio, il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus e il Sillabo degli Errori con la stessa falsa premessa. Quindi interpretano i Catechismi e il Concilio Vaticano II con la stessa falsa premessa creando una falsa rottura con la Tradizione (EENS ecc).

Come devo salire per ricevere da loro l'Eucaristia? -Lionel Andrades

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There are good priests in my parish but they interpret the Creeds and Magisterial documents irrationally : St. Alphonsus Liguori says do not go up to receive the Eucharist from a priest in public mortal sin

There are good priests in the parish Santa Maria di Nazareth,Casalotti, Boccea, Rome.However St.Alphonsus Liguori, father of Moral Theology says that if there is a priest in public mortal sin do not go up to receive the Eucharist from him. Since if you do so you would be telling him all is well even though his soul is oriented to Hell. St. Alphonsus says that if there is no other means to fulfill your Sunday obligation, then go up to him to receive the Eucharist at Mass ( Teologia Moralis, Bk.3,N.46).

In my parish, like the rest of the diocese, the priests interpret the Creeds irrationally since it is politically correct with the Left and the Vatican.They reject the Athanasius Creed, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors with the same false premise. Then they interpret the Catechisms and Vatican Council II with the same false premise creating a false rupture with Tradition(EENS etc).

How am I to go up to receive the Eucharist from them ? -Lionel Andrades

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Domani festa parrocchiale annuale - occorre lo stallo per la catechesi

Domani è la festa annuale della parrocchia Santa Maria di Nazareth,Casalotti,Boccea, Roma, ci sarà una festa, con musica e tanto da mangiare e da bere e ci saranno persone che non avete visto durante tutto l'anno. Questa sarebbe una buona occasione per avere una bancarella per la serata. Il Catechismo della Chiesa Cattolica di Papa Giovanni Paolo II dice che basta un peccato mortale per un'anima vada all'Inferno. Un peccato mortale non confessato di masturbazione e pornografia per un'anima e basta per andare all'inferno. L'immodestia nei vestiti e l'odio (non la versione politica) sono peccati mortali, così come la fornicazione, l'adulterio e la non scelta di essere un Cattolico.

Se mi dessero una bancarella di vendita per la sera ci sarebbero problemi. La distribuzione di volantini non è consentita quindi ci dovrebbe essere un modo per dire che la cantante rumena con la blusa a V bassa sarà nei guai dopo la sua morte ...ci sarà fuoco ardente.

L'immodestia nei vestiti è un peccato mortale e porta le persone al fuoco dell'Inferno. La gente non lo sa. Lo si vede dai vestiti che indossano e non indossano.
La maggior parte delle persone presenti non era presente alla Messa domenicale obbligatoria quando la chiesa è stata aperta nel corso dei mesi. Non partecipare alla Messa domenicale è peccato mortale.
Dal momento che la maggior parte delle persone lì probabilmente non andrebbero in Paradiso, date le probabilità della situazione, sarei gravato di dover descrivere l'inferno. Dovrebbe essere un argomento importante del mio stallo catechetico.
Allora dovrei dire ai non cattolici presenti alla fiera che andranno nello stesso posto dopo la loro morte, dove stanno andando molti dei parrocchiani Cattolici. Devono rinunciare alla loro religione e accettare Gesù nella Chiesa Cattolica e vivere gli insegnamenti della Chiesa Cattolica, che non cambiano.
In questo modo proclamerei la Fede a coloro che sono al di fuori della Chiesa Cattolica (non cattolici) e a coloro che volontariamente rimangono fuori della Chiesa, a causa dei loro attaccamenti, della mancanza di conoscenza dell'Inferno o di qualsiasi altra ragione (Cattolici). Entrambi hanno la stessa destinazione.
Bisognerebbe dire loro di venire in chiesa almeno la domenica e pregare, anche se al prete non è permesso parlare di morale, peccato e inferno, che ha il fuoco e non si ferma.

Senza il Sacramento della Confessione, l'assistenza dell'Eucaristia e la preghiera regolare e coerente del cuore, sarebbe difficile combattere Satana, nostro Nemico - e non essere schiavo del peccato, delle dipendenze, delle personalità e dei temperamenti incontrollabili, dei sentimenti e degli stati negativi , emozioni indesiderate che dominano la vita, ossessioni e forme di possessione ecc. ecc. Tutto questo è niente in confronto ai fuochi ardenti e scomodi dell'Inferno.

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JUNE 19, 2021

Annual parish fete tomorrow - stall needed for Catechesis

Tomorrow is the annual feast of the parish, there will be a fete, with music and plenty to eat and drink and people whom you didn't see throughout the year will be there. This would be a good opportunity to have a stall for the evening.The Catechism of the Catholic Church of Pope John Paul II says all it takes is one mortal sin for a soul to go to Hell.One un-Confessed mortal sin of masturbation and pornography for a soul to go to Hell.Immodesty in clothes and hate ( not the political version)  are mortal sins, and so are fornication, adultery and not choosing to be a Catholic.

If I was given a selling-booth for the evening there would be trouble.The distribution of pamphlets are not allowed so there would have to be a way to say that the Romanian singer with the low-V blouse will be in trouble after she dies...there will be burning fire.

Immodesty in clothes is a mortal sin and it takes people to the fires of Hell.People do not know this. It can be seen by the clothes they wear and do not wear.

Most of the people who are present were not there at the obligatory-Sunday Mass when the church was open over the months.Not attending Mass on Sunday is a mortal sin.

Since most of the people there would probably not be going to Heaven, given the odds of the situation,I would be burdened to have to describe Hell. It would have to be a major subject of my Catechetical booth.

Then I would have to tell the non-Catholics  there at the fair that they are going to the same place after they die- as where many of  the Catholic parishioners are going.They need to give up their religion and accept Jesus in the Catholic Church and live  the teachings of the Catholic Church, which do not change.

In this way I would proclaim the Faith to those who are outside the Catholic Church ( non Catholics) and those who voluntarily stay outside the Church, due to their attachments, lack of knowledge of Hell or whatever other reason( Catholics).Both have the same destination.

They would have to be told to come to church at least on Sundays and pray, even though the priest is not allowed to speak about morals,sin and Hell- which has fire and is non-stop.

Without the Sacrament of Confession , the assistance of the Eucharist and regular and consistent prayer from the heart,it would be difficult to fight Satan, our Enemy - and not be a slave to sin,addictions, uncontrollable personalies and temperaments, negative feelings  and states, unwanted emotions which dominate life, obsessions and forms of possession etc, etc.All this is nothing compared to the burning, uncomfortable fires of Hell. -Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/06/annual-parish-fete-tomorrow-stall.html

In my parish the Brazilian priests, Italian catechists and the whole parish with the approval of the bishop, re-interpret the Creeds, First Commandment, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Catechisms and Vatican Council II with a fake premise and create a fake rupture with Tradition

 

In my parish I look at the baptism of desire(BOD),baptism of blood (BOB) and Invincible ignorance ( I.I) as being only hypothetical, they exist only in our mind - but for the Brazilian priests, Italian catechists and the parishioners, they are objective, known people, non Catholics, saved without the baptism of water and Catholic faith.So for every one else they become practical exceptions to the old teaching on outside the Church there is no salvation- but not for me.

The Athanasius Creed says all need Catholic faith for salvation and this Creed does not mention any exceptions but for the parish there are exceptions.There are exceptions since BOD, BOB and I.I are wrongly made into exceptions.So the parish has rejected the original Athanasius Creed and made it obsolete.This is approved by the bishop and the priests.

They have also changed the understanding of the Nicene Creed and rejected its original meaning.This is a sin of faith, it is a mortal sin of faith.

We are also obliged to believe in the First Commandment of Moses which says “I am the Lord your God you shall have no other God but me”.After the Coming of the Messiah and the Death and Resurrection of Jesus as prophesised by the Jewish prophets,God the Father wants all people to be united in the Catholic Church (CCC 845), the Church is Jesus’ Mystical Body and it is like the Ark of Noah that saves all from the flood, that saves all from going to Hell.Outside the Church there is no salvation( AG 7,CCC 846).The Jews were waiting for the Messiah but he came and they did not know it. He will come again.

So only in the Catholic Church there is true worship(UR 3) and Catholics are the new people of God(NA 4), the new Chosen People.But when BOD, BOB and I.I are interpreted with a false premise( invisible people are visible examples of salvation outside the Church,people saved in Heaven are also physically visible on earth) the dogma EENS is rejected. So the parish believes outside the Catholic Church there is salvation and so there is true worship in other religions,non Christian religions and among pagans too, like in the Amazon.

This is first class heresy.It is also schism with the past popes and the Magisterium over the centuries.It is a rupture with Catholic Tradition created by intepreting BOD, BOB and I.I with a false premise and then extending the error to LG 8,LG 14,LG 16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II.The parish would then claim that Vatican Council II is a rupture with Tradition (Athanasius Creed,EENS etc).

So Catholic children are not taught in parish-Catechism that there is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church and in Heaven there are only Catholics.

To be politically correct with the Left the Brazilian Joselitos Christo priests and the Italian Catechists,re-interpret the Creeds,Commandments, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus,Catechisms and Vatican Council II with a fake premise and create a fake rupture with Tradition.

They reject de fide teachings of the Catholic Church which cannot be changed and in which all need to believe in.They offer Holy Mass with this scandal and I have to go up to them to receive the Eucharist.

When the Comitato dell Immaculata, which oversees the parish property, permits all these non Catholic, doctrines and theology in the parish of Santa Maria di Nazareth,Casalotti,Rome,they condone sin and are part of the problem.. -Lionel Andrades

JUNE 22, 2021

Nella mia parrocchia i sacerdoti, i catechisti e i parrocchiani interpretano irrazionalmente il Credo di Nicea e Atanasio: questo è un peccato mortale pubblico.La nostra Professione di Fede è diversa

 

Nella mia parrocchia i sacerdoti, i catechisti e i parrocchiani interpretano irrazionalmente il Credo di Nicea e Atanasio: questo è un peccato mortale pubblico.La nostra Professione di Fede è diversa

Nella mia parrocchia i sacerdoti e i catechisti interpretano casi sconosciuti del battesimo di desiderio (BOD) e dell'ignoranza invincibile (I.I) come persone conosciute ed esempi oggettivi di salvezza al di fuori della Chiesa e quindi eccezioni pratiche al Credo di Atanasio. Questo Credo dice che tutti hanno bisogno la Fede Cattolica per la salvezza, e il Credo non menziona alcuna eccezione.

Per me casi sconosciuti del BOD e I.I non possono essere eccezioni conosciute e oggettive al Credo di Atanasio.

I sacerdoti ei catechisti ei parrocchiani non possono affermare il Credo di Atanasio e il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). Questa è eresia di prim'ordine e un peccato mortale pubblico. Non lo negano.

In questa condizione, senza che pongano fine allo scandalo, devo salire a ricevere l'Eucarestia nella S. Messa in italiano.

A parte il Credo di Atanasio c'è un problema anche con il Credo di Nicea. Per me il Credo di Nicea dice “Credo in un solo battesimo per la remissione dei peccati”, è un riferimento al battesimo d'acqua. Non conosco nessuno che sono salvato con il BOD o I.I.

Non conosco nessuno salvato al di fuori della Chiesa Cattolica con la fede e il battesimo d'acqua.

Ma per i sacerdoti, catechisti e parrocchiani di Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Roma, il Credo Niceno dice proprio: «Credo in tre o più battesimi per il perdono del peccato; del desiderio, del sangue, dell'ignoranza invincibile ecc., ed escludono il battesimo dell'acqua nella Chiesa Cattolica (e quindi ci sono eccezioni pratiche all'EENS Feeneyite;EENS traditionale, per loro). Quindi la comprensione dei Credo di Nicea è stata cambiata. Questo è peccato mortale pubblico.

La comprensione del Credo di Nicea da parte della parrocchia e la mia comprensione sono diverse. Quindi anche la nostra Professione di Fede durante la Santa Messa sarebbe diversa.

E devo salire a ricevere l'Eucaristia nella Messa senza che loro ritrattano e correggano l'errore, che è comune in questa diocesi di Porta Santa Rufina,Roma ora sotto l'amministrazione dell'Arcivescovo di Civitavecchia e del Vaticano.

Sacerdoti e laici sono tenuti ad affermare i Credo senza alcuna innovazione.

Con BOD e I.I che si riferiscono a persone visibili salvate al di fuori della Chiesa (e quindi c'è una presunta salvezza conosciuta al di fuori della Chiesa) il Primo Comandamento è diverso oggi per i Cattolici. Significa che non c'è solo il vero culto nella Chiesa Cattolica ma anche in altri religioni che hanno falso culto e idoli.-Lionel Andrades

JUNE 22, 2021

In my parish the priests, catechists and parishioners interpret the Nicene and Athanasius Creed irrationally : this is a public mortal sin , our profession of faith is different

In my parish the priests and catachists interpret unknown cases of the baptism of desire(BOD) and invincible ignorance(I.I) as being known people and objective examples of salvation outside the Church and so practical exceptions to the Athanasius Creed.This Creed  says all need the Catholic faith for salvation, and the Creed does not mention any exceptions.

For me unknown cases of the BOD and I.I cannot be known and objective exceptions to the Athanasius Creed.

The priests and catechists and the parishioners cannot affirm the Athanasius Creed and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).This is first class heresy and a public mortal sin.They do not deny this.

In this condition, without their ending the scandal, I have to go up to receive the Eucharsit at Holy Mass in Italian.

Aside from the Athanasius Creed there is a problem also with the Nicene Creed.For me the Nicene Creed says “I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins”,it is a reference to the baptism of water.I don’t know of any one saved with the BOD or I.I.

I don’t know of any one saved outside the Catholic Church with faith and the baptism of water.

But for the priests, catechists and parishioners of Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti,Boccea,Rome,the Nicene Creeds really says, « I believe in three or more baptisms for the forgiveness of sin, desire, blood , invincible ignorance etc and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church( and so there are practical exceptions to Feeneyite EENS for them).So the understanding of the Nicene Creeds has been changed. This is public mortal sin.

The parish’s understanding of the Nicene Creed and my understanding is different.So our Profession of Faith at Holy Mass would also be different.And I have to go up to receive the Eucharist at Mass without them recanting and correcting the error, which is common in this diocese of Porta Santa Rufina, now under the administration of the Archbishop of Civitavecchia and the Vatican.

Priests and lay people are expected to affirm the Creeds without any innovation.

With BOD and I.I referring to visible people saved outside the Church( and so there is alleged known salvation outside the Church) the First Commandment is different today for Catholics.It means that there is not only true worship in the Catholic Church but also in other religions which have false worship and idols.-Lionel Andrades

 JUNE 17, 2021

There are good priests in my parish but they interpret the Creeds and Magisterial documents irrationally : St. Alphonsus Liguori says do not go up to receive the Eucharist from a priest in public mortal sin

There are good priests in the parish Santa Maria di Nazareth,Casalotti, Boccea, Rome.However St.Alphonsus Liguori, father of Moral Theology says that if there is a priest in public mortal sin do not go up to receive the Eucharist from him. Since if you do so you would be telling him all is well even though his soul is oriented to Hell. St. Alphonsus says that if there is no other means to fulfill your Sunday obligation, then go up to him to receive the Eucharist at Mass ( Teologia Moralis, Bk.3,N.46).In my parish, like the rest of the diocese, the priests interpret the Creeds irrationally since it is politically correct with the Left and the Vatican.They reject the Athanasius Creed, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors with the same false premise. Then they interpret the Catechisms and Vatican Council II with the same false premise creating a false rupture with Tradition(EENS etc).

How am I to go up to receive the Eucharist from them ? -Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/06/there-are-good-priest-in-my-parish-but.html

 JUNE 19, 2021

Annual parish fete tomorrow - stall needed for Catechesis

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/06/annual-parish-fete-tomorrow-stall.html