So we are back to traditional Mission since Vatican Council II is traditional.The red is not an exception to the blue

 

So we are back to traditional Mission since Vatican Council II is traditional.The red is not an exception to the blue.

Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation.Lumen Gentium 14 says the same.But they also mention those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire. We acknoweldge this theoretical possibility and that invincible ignorance refers to hypothetical cases in 1965-2021.

So there is no conflict or contradiction in Lumen Gentium 14 or Ad Gentes 7.

The baptism of desire and invincible ignorance never were exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus for the past Magisterium since they can only be hypothetical and speculative.So we must read Vatican Council II with the 'red passages' not referring to objective cases in 2021.

We evangelize knowing that all non Catholics are oriented to Hell with no known exceptions.The 'blue passages' tell us this. While 'the red passages' are not objective exceptions to the blue orthodox passages.

All need to accept Jesus in the Catholic Church and the traditional teachings of the Catholic Church, even if the present popes are unable to do so.This is needed for salvation.

Vatican Council II is traditional. The red passages must be seen as being only hypothetical.So they do not contradict the blue orthodox passages which support the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

We have to stop interpreting the red passages as being exceptions to the blue and then the Council is traditional, before our eyes.

-Lionel Andrades

Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
 Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him...- Ad Gentes 7. Vatican Council II

 

Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.
They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion. He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but, as it were, only in a "bodily" manner and not "in his heart."(12*) All the Church's children should remember that their exalted status is to be attributed not to their own merits but to the special grace of Christ. If they fail moreover to respond to that grace in thought, word and deed, not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged.(13*)
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

 Unitatis Redintigratio (Decree on Ecumenism), Vatican Council II 

It follows that the separated Churches(23) and Communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church.

Nevertheless, our separated brethren, whether considered as individuals or as Communities and Churches, are not blessed with that unity which Jesus Christ wished to bestow on all those who through Him were born again into one body, and with Him quickened to newness of life - that unity which the Holy Scriptures and the ancient Tradition of the Church proclaim. For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from the means of salvation. We believe that Our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, in order to establish the one Body of Christ on earth to which all should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the people of God. This people of God, though still in its members liable to sin, is ever growing in Christ during its pilgrimage on earth, and is guided by God's gentle wisdom, according to His hidden designs, until it shall happily arrive at the fullness of eternal glory in the heavenly Jerusalem.-Unitatis Redintigratio (Decree on Ecumenism), Vatican Council II

 Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848 
 "Outside the Church there is no salvation"  846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:  

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: 

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."
-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848 

 DOMINUS IESUS 

IV. UNICITY AND UNITY OF THE CHURCH

16.  The Lord Jesus, the only Saviour, did not only establish a simple community of disciples, but constituted the Church as a salvific mystery: he himself is in the Church and the Church is in him (cf. Jn 15:1ff.; Gal 3:28; Eph 4:15-16; Acts 9:5).  Therefore, the fullness of Christ's salvific mystery belongs also to the Church, inseparably united to her Lord. Indeed, Jesus Christ continues his presence and his work of salvation in the Church and by means of the Church (cf. Col 1:24-27),⁴⁷ which is his body (cf. 1 Cor 12:12-13, 27; Col 1:18).⁴⁸ And thus, just as the head and members of a living body, though not identical, are inseparable, so too Christ and the Church can neither be confused nor separated, and constitute a single “whole Christ”.⁴⁹ This same inseparability is also expressed in the New Testament by the analogy of the Church as the Bride of Christ (cf. 2 Cor 11:2; Eph 5:25-29; Rev 21:2,9).⁵⁰

Therefore, in connection with the unicity and universality of the salvific mediation of Jesus Christ, the unicity of the Church founded by him must be firmly believed as a truth of Catholic faith. Just as there is one Christ, so there exists a single body of Christ, a single Bride of Christ: “a single Catholic and apostolic Church”.⁵¹ Furthermore, the promises of the Lord that he would not abandon his Church (cf. Mt 16:18; 28:20) and that he would guide her by his Spirit (cf. Jn16:13) mean, according to Catholic faith, that the unicity and the unity of the Church — like everything that belongs to the Church's integrity — will never be lacking.⁵²

The Catholic faithful are required to profess that there is an historical continuity — rooted in the apostolic succession⁵³— between the Church founded by Christ and the Catholic Church: “This is the single Church of Christ... which our Saviour, after his resurrection, entrusted to Peter's pastoral care (cf. Jn 21:17), commissioning him and the other Apostles to extend and rule her (cf. Mt 28:18ff.), erected for all ages as ‘the pillar and mainstay of the truth' (1 Tim3:15). This Church, constituted and organized as a society in the present world, subsists in [subsistit in] the Catholic Church, governed by the Successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him”.⁵⁴  With the expressionsubsistit in, the Second Vatican Council sought to harmonize two doctrinal statements: on the one hand, that the Church of Christ, despite the divisions which exist among Christians, continues to exist fully only in the Catholic Church, and on the other hand, that “outside of her structure, many elements can be found of sanctification and truth”,⁵⁵ that is, in those Churches and ecclesial communities which are not yet in full communion with the Catholic Church.⁵⁶ But with respect to these, it needs to be stated that “they derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church”

-Dominus Iesus 16. 

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LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 DURING THE PONTIFICATE OF POPE PIUS XII

( This letter was  an inter office correspondence between cardinals. However the liberals placed it in the Denzinger and it has been referenced in Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It contains an objective error when it assumes invisible and unknown cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are visible and known exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Upon this Letter is based the New Theology.)

 We are bound by divine and Catholic faith to believe all those  things which are contained in the word of God, whether it be Scripture or Tradition, and are proposed by the Church to be believed as divinely revealed, not only through solemnjudgment but also through the ordinary and universal teaching office (, n. 1792).
Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there
 is no salvation outside the Church.
However, this dogma must be understood in that sense in which the Church herself understands it. For, it was not to private judgments that Our Savior gave for explanation those things that are contained in the deposit of faith, but to the teaching authority of the Church...

Now, among the commandments of Christ, that one holds not the least place by which we are commanded to be incorporated by baptism into the Mystical Body of Christ, 
which is the Church, and to remain united to Christ and to His Vicar, through whom He Himself in a visible manner governs the Church on earth...

Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless  refuses to submit to the Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.
Not only did the Savior command that all nations should  enter the Church, but He also decreed the Church to be a means of salvation without which no one can enter the kingdom of eternal glory.
In His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects,necessary for one to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's final end, not by intrinsic
 necessity, but only by divine institution, can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used only in desire and longing. This we see clearly stated in the Sacred Council of Trent, both in reference to the sacrament of regeneration and in reference to the sacrament of penance (, nn. 797, 807).

  Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.
However, this desire need not always be explicit,as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God.-L.A

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JANUARY 9, 2021

The Conciliar Church is missionary in the traditional sense when Vatican Council II is interpreted with Feeneyism and not Cushingism.It's another way of looking at the Council-text. 'The red is not an exception to the blue'

 The Conciliar Church is missionary in the traditional sense when Vatican Council II is interpreted with Feeneyism and not Cushingism.It's another way of looking at the Council-text. 'The red is not an exception to the blue'. - Lionel Andrades

JANUARY 9, 2021

Vatican Council II is a missionary Council. It is Feeneyite

 Vatican Council II is a missionary Council. It is Feeneyite. - Lionel Andrades

 MAY 4, 2019

Pope Francis in good conscience could affirm Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) and reject Vatican Council II( Cushingite)

 

Pope Francis has said that there was a genocide in Turkey and over 1.5 million Armenian Christians were killed.What if he says that Vatican Council II (Cushingite) was also a mistake and the Church can no longer hold this position.However we continue to have fraternal relations with all people and we respect all people.

We oppose Anti-Semitism but affirm our Catholic beliefs and expect others to respect them too.

According to Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) all need faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7, LG 14) and the Council has not mentioned any exceptions to the traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). 

The Jesuit Fr. Leonard Feeney was correct and the Holy Office 1949 made an objective mistake. There are no known cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, within or outside the Church, in our human reality.

Sine 1965 false doctrines were created, in a new and false church within the true Catholic Church. These new doctrines were built upon a new theology which said outside the Church there is salvation ; there is personally known salvation outside the Church.

How can rational and responsible adults who want to be honest, continue to say invisible cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, are physically visible and personally known examples of salvation outside the Church? This is not possible for a pope.

Pope Francis in good conscience could affirm Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) and reject Vatican Council II( Cushingite).-Lionel Andrades 

MAY 4, 2019

What if Pope Francis accepts Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) ?   https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/05/what-if-pope-francis-accepts-vatican.html

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/01/council-ii-is-missionary-council.html

 DECEMBER 7, 2020

When Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) without the false premise ' Rome will come back to the Faith'. There is nothing in Lumen Gentium to contradict the strict interpretation of EENS. Pope Francis needs to announce this.

 When Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) without the false premise ' Rome will come back to the Faith'.

There is nothing in Lumen Gentium to contradict the strict interpretation of EENS. Pope Francis needs to announce this.

Pope Francis could interpret Lumen Gentium and Unitatatis Redintigratio and Nostra Aetate with 'the red not being an exception to the blue'. The Councill will then not contradict the past exclusivist ecclesiology f the Catholic Church.Then he could say that he has not shifted a centimeter from Vatican Council II interpreted rationally.

By setting aside Pope Benedict's false New Theology Pope Francis can return back to Tradition. Without Pope Benedict's false New Theology even the liberals and 'traditionalists' can return back to Tradition.-Lionel Andrades

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 JANUARY 15, 2020

The books by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre are as obsolete as those of the liberals Kung and Kasper, since he used a false premise to interpret the Council and did not know how the Council could be interpreted without the irrationality.So today it is no more an issue of traditionalists versus the liberals.Both camps are Cushingite and not Feeneyite on Vatican Council II.

The books by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre are as obsolete as those of the liberals Kung and Kasper, since he used a false premise to interpret the Council and did not know how the  Council could be interpreted without the irrationality.So today it is no more an issue of traditionalists versus the liberals.Both camps are  Cushingite and not Feeneyite on Vatican Council II. 

For all of them 'the red was an exception to the blue', when the red really referred to 'zero cases', 'zero passages' in Vatican Council II. 1

  

So the books by Roberto dei Mattei, Paulo Pasqualucci, Cristina Siccardi and others sold at the SSPX chapel are also obsolete.They assume the red is an exception to the blue and so misinterpret the Council.

They were correct in their conclusion that the Church was  a rupture with Tradition.

But they were not aware of their Cushingite interpretation of the Council which causes the break with Tradition. They also did not interpret Vatican Council II, with Feeneyism, to affirm the past ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return and Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus).

There are no physical bodies  of non Catholics saved without faith and baptism, in Newton's time and space. To assume there are such cases and then make a new theology based upon this irrationality, is not Catholic Tradition.Yet this was done by the traditionalists too after they accepted the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.

This is the new theology of the traditionalists and liberals, the former reject the conclusion and the latter accept it. Neither of the two interpret the Council without the irrationality and accept the traditional conclusion.
-Lionel Andrades

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• Red being an exception to the blue -Vatican Documents (1)
• Red is an exception to the blue-Bologna School/ Fr.John Zuhlsdorf (4)
• Red is not an exception to the blue - Proclamation (2)
• Red is not an exception to the blue - profances Holy Mass (1)
• Red is not an exception to the blue :CCC 846-848 (4)
• Red not an exception to blue mapping (1)

• Dominus Iesus interpreted according to the Left (1)
• Dominus Iesus is Cushingite (1)
• Dominus Iesus the red is not an exception to the blue (4)
• Dominus Iesus the red is not an exception to the blue on the Internet (1)

FEBRUARY 9, 2019

The red is not an exception to the blue' : new extraordinary understanding of Vatican Council II