Sunday, June 5, 2022

We must not in general blame Vatican Council II but only a Specific Error. Without this Error the Council is Traditional

 





-Lionel Andrades







Archbishop Augustine di Noia tells Brother Andre Marie MICM that CCC 847-848 ( invincible ignorance) are visible exceptions for Feeneyite EENS. The same for LG 14. Bishop Schneider says 'No' they are not literal cases

 
















                                                                        -Lionel Andrades













The Holy Spirit cannot make an objective mistake

 













-Lionel Andrades








The Creeds have been changed and the cardinals follow the CDF error.

 




-Lionel Andrades




Let us pray that Catholics learn that Vatican Council II is in harmony with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

 Let us pray that Catholics learn that Vatican Council II is in harmony with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. 

 


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Do you have a ticket for Heaven ? You can get it only in the Catholic Church.LEI AVEVI UN BIGLIETTO PER CIELO ? LO PRESI SOLO NELLA CHIESA CATTOLICA.

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WE HAVE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF 

VATICAN COUNCIL II : YOURS AND MINE

 

Lionel Andrades

Catholic lay man in Rome. Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake ? So it is human error and not the Magisterium.

 Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only pastoral.

It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms. There can be two interpretations.Catholics must choose the rational option.

Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, nontraditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional?

It is unethical when the popes, cardinals and bishops choose the Irrational Premise to interpret Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents.

Blog: Eucharist and Mission (eucharistandmission)

E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com

Twitter : @LionelAndrades1

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MAY 17, 2022

Orban can unite theology in the whole of Europe

 

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Prime Minister Viktor Orban must ask Pope Francis why should Catholics interpret Vatican Council II with a False Premise and not the Rational Option ?

When Prime Minister Orban and Matteo Salvini use the Rational Premise to interpret Vatican Council II, then Pope Francis cannot continue with the False Premise. Catholics in the whole of Europe and the USA and the rest of the world will have to come back to Tradition. Since it would be dishonest to use the False Premise.

The message for Orban, Le Pen, Salvini, Melloni and Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke is to affirm Vatican Council II (Rational) and Pope Francis will have to come back to Traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) -there will not be another rational choice.

 

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Prime Minister Orban needs to affirm Vatican Council II (Rational) and then he will unite theology in Europe with that of the time of the Austro Hungarian Catholic Empire.

Orban needs to affirm the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics based upon Vatican Council II(Rational). It supports the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and 16th century EENS. Europe will then come back to the ecclesiology of the Middle Ages.

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If anyone confuses what is implicit as being explicit it will be known to all. So this is not a personal opinion only . It will be obvious to everyone.

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We need to ask the English cardinals and bishops, for example, to affirm Vatican Council II ( Rational)  and then they will have to return to the theology of 16th century EENS, upon which was based the proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King in all political legislation and the non separation of the Catholic Church and the Catholic State.England was once a Catholic State.

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The exclusive salvation theology of the Catholic Church is not restricted to the Latin Mass only.

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So the priority is Vatican Council II (Rational), for the whole of Europe, to come back to the theology of 16th century Hungary.

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Once Prime Minister Viktor Orban and Pope Francis affirm Vatican Council II ( Rational), ( a reasoning which is something obvious for a Catholic and non Catholic) they will be supporting the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS and will be telling everyone in Europe to do the same. So we will have returned to the old theology of Hungary when it was a Catholic Empire.

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Presently Prime Minister Orban is supporting Christian values as opposed to Satanic values, without proclaiming the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics (Quas Primas). To do this he first has to affirm Vatican Council II (Rational).He then must ask Pope Francis and Cardinal Parolin to do the same.

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Presently, I am following the Magisterium of the Catholic Church which does not change but Pope Francis is not doing the same. I am following the Magisterium which cannot be contradicted by another pope. I am using the Rational Premise, like the Magisterium before the 1940's. So I am in harmony with the past Magisterium inspired by the Holy Spirit. Pope Francis however uses the False Premise. So he is in a rupture with the pre-1940 Magisterium. Also the False Premise cannot be inspired by the Holy Spirit.

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If like me Matteo Salvini and the Lega political party interpret Vatican Council II , they could ask Pope Francis to do the same.Then Catholics will know that it is important to vote for a political party which supports the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics.

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Unfortunately Catholic lay writers and apologists are avoiding this issue to avoid being labelled Feeneyite, by the Left. Peter Kwasniewski in a new book,timidly,  interprets Vatican Council II, the Creeds and Catechisms with the False and not Rational Premise, just like the liberals and Pope Francis.

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This was the original problem with Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. He interpreted Vatican Council II with the False Premise. So he was probably interpreting other Magisterial Documents with the same False Premise. He was not aware of the New Theology which came with the False Premise, in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.

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For me Vatican Council II is not a break with the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and Feeneyite EENS.For Pope Benedict and cardinals Muller and Ladaria, these Church Documents are now obsolete, after Vatican Council II ( Irrational ).

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What I write here is not a personal theology or philosphy. I am affirming the teachings of the Church without a rupture between faith and reason. There is an American Archbishop, a Rector and Dean of Theology of a pontifical university in Rome and an American lay apologist who agree with me. Many priests in Rome support me. What I am saying is something obvious for any person i.e. invisible people are invisible in 2022.

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When it is said that invisible people are visible in 2022 then for people in general this would be irrational. If we say that invisible cases of the baptism of desire are invisible, in 2022, it would make sense. Since we are referring to what is common knowledge.

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Peter Kwasniewski and Michael Matt need to interpret Vatican Council II rationally and tell people that Nostra Aetate 4  says Catholics are the new people of God and the Catechism of the Catholic Church  says the Church is like the only Ark of Noah that saves in the flood (845).

So going back to the past, going back to Tradition with Vatican Council II (Rational) means saying it is important to be a Catholic for salvation. It is important to be a Catholic priest to save others from going to Hell.-Lionel Andrades

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MARCH 28, 2022

When I say that there is a whole body of knowledge and we could call it Only the Catholic Church I am calling attention to the traditional teachings of the Catholic Church with Magisterial Documents with a Rational Premise, as it was common in the past centuries.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2022/03/when-i-say-that-there-is-whole-body-of.html