The Council must only be interpreted honestly

 

In my parish Santa Maria di Nazareth,

Casalotti, Boccea, Rome the priests and 

faithful need to affirm the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and the Athanasius Creed along with Vatican Council I ( rational). They are compatible. They just have to see LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc as being hypothetical and speculative only. They refer to invisible people. This is being rational. Seeing LG 8 etc as being visible people in 2023, saved outside the Church is being irrational. The Council must only be interpreted honestly. - Lionel Andrades

MAY 15, 2021

Doctrinal issues for the Comitato dell Immacolata at Casalotti, Boccea Rome

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/05/these-are-doctrinal-issues-which-need.html

 

NOVEMBER 22, 2021

In my parish at Holy Communion classes they have changed the understanding of the Nicene Creed and First Commandment and our Profession of Faith is different. The Comitato dell Immaculata of Fr. Stefano Manelli F.I oversee the old vacant church and semimary building in the pasrish

 In my parish Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Rome, the Holy Communion classes have begun.The children are taught to confuse being saved in invincible ignorance outside the Catholic Church, as referring to known people , physically visible cases in the present times.In this way they don't have to say that there is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church, as it was taught to children during the times of Apostles and Church Fathers, St. Francis of Assisi, St. Cartherine of Siena and St.Maximilian Kolbe.The children are taught that there are exceptions and not that every one needs to enter accept Jesus and enter the Catholic Church, with no known exceptions to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.

Even the priests and catechists in the parish are not ready to affirm the Athanasius Creed and it must be the same with the bishop and his Curia.

So the Nicene Creed is changed too with the same false premise with which they reject the Athanasius Creed and extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

So the Profession of Faith at Holy Mass in Italian is different.Since the Nicene Creed has two interpretations, one rational and the other irrational.

There is confusion on the First Commandment, for Catholics.

The Comitato dell Immaculata of Fr. Stefano Manelli F.I, over sees the old vacant church and seminary building in the parish.They are not intervening. -Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/11/in-may-parish-at-holy-communion-classes.html

JUNE 2, 2021

In my parish the priests do not affirm the Athanasius Creed.

In may parish, Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Rome, the priests do not affirm the Athanasius Creed. They change the meaning of the Nicene and Apostles Creed with the use of a false premise.They re-interpret Vatican Council II with the same fake premise and change the interpretations of all the Catechisms.They do consider this a mortal sin of faith.They about 'new information' and 'being open' and 'following Pope Francis'. Do they believe in the secrecy of the Sacrament of Confession ? Really? Why ? -Lionel Andrades

Fr Liam Lawton

Some of the cardinals are comfortable

 

Some of the cardinals are comfortable with the present political interpretation of Vatican Council II, approved by the Left. They do not want to discuss this subject. If they would interpret Vatican Council II rationally they would be supporting Tradition.

With the Rational Premise the cardinals would be rejecting the common interpretation of Vatican Council II (irrational) as do the sedevacantists and many traditionalists. The Council would no more be a break with the sedevacantist understanding of Tradition.

With Vatican Council II (rational) the cardinals would be supporting the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX. There would be no objective exceptions in the present times for an ecumenism of return. There would be a theological return to the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Upon traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus they could proclaim Traditional Mission based upon Exclusive Salvation in the Church. With there being no known salvation outside the Church they could proclaim the need for the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics. Inter faith marriages would be adultery and a mortal sin etc.-Lionel Andrades

The understanding of the Apostles' Creed or the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed. has been changed with the Irrational Premise : the Church now teaches that there is known salvation outside the Church

Pope Franics does not affirm the Creeds with the Rational Premise and Inference . This is first class heresy according to Ad Tuendam Fidem of Pope John Paul II and Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.

It is schism with the pre 1949 Magisterium which did not use the False Premise and Inference to interpret the Creeds,Catechisms, the baptism of desire and being saved invincible ignorance.

1. From the first centuries to the present day, the Church has professed the truths of her faith in Christ and the mystery of his redemption. These truths were subsequently gathered into the Symbols of the faith, today known and proclaimed in common by the faithful in the solemn and festive celebration of Mass as the Apostles' Creed or the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed. This same Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed is contained in the Profession of Faith developed by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which must be made by specific members of the faithful when they receive an office that is directly or indirectly related to deeper investigation into the truths of faith and morals, or is united to a particular power in the governance of the Church. 1

Pope Francis needs to affirm the Faith 

in public and end the scandal. We now 

know that Vatican Council II interpreted with LG 8,14 and 16, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc being invisible and hypothetical cases in 1965-2023 do not contradict the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.Lionel Andrades

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Ad tuendam fidem

https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/ad-tuendam-fidem-7949

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JANUARY 7, 2018

So we are all in the same Church but the Profession of Faith does not have the same meaning.

Today on the feast of the Baptism of Jesus at Mass in Italian in the homily the priest did not say that every one needs the baptism of water with faith, in only the Catholic Church for salvation. 

He also said salvation is open to all without also mentioning that salvation is open to all in potential but to receive this salvation all need to be members of the Catholic Church.

Instead he spoke about the baptism of desire and blood as if they are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS),which he would not mention.

There then was a meaningless Profession of Faith. Since we profess that we believe in the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, which for me says outside the Church there is no salvation.However for most of the Church and the two popes it says there is known salvation.

For me I believe in the Holy Spirit means that the Holy Spirit teaches the Church to say all need faith and baptism for salvation and there are no known exceptions. For the two popes and all religious communities, it  means the Holy Spirit teaches the Church that all need faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7) except for those saved with the baptism of desire(LG 14), invincible ignorance(LG 16) etc who are saved outside the Church without faith and baptism.This is magisterial theology.

So we are all in the same Church but the Profession of Faith does not have the same meaning.

If I was in this priest's place I would speak about the necessity of the baptism of water in the Catholic Church for salvation and today all non Catholics do not have either the baptism of water at the time of death or do not have Catholic faith( the faith and moral teachings of the Church and the Sacraments).So the majority of people need faith and baptism to avoid Hell and they do not have it at the time of death.

This is such a serious subject but Cardinal Ratzinger had advised every seminarian and priest not to speak about Hell.He also did not want the priests to affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Then he wanted them to always interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with EENS, when it could be interpreted in harmony with the strict interpretation of the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation.-Lionel Andrades

OCTOBER 10, 2017

CDF Doctrinal Commentary – Professio fidei supports heresy approved by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/cdf-doctrinal-commentary-professio.html

AUGUST 22, 2017

False profession of faith(Credo) made by popes and cardinals : recommended by Cd. Brandmuller, Msgr. Bux for Pope Francis

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/08/false-profession-of-faithcredo-made-by.html

Brandmüller's Profession of Faith for the pope is meaningless : meaning of Nicene Creed has been changed

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/08/brandmullers-profession-of-faith-for.html

AUGUST 7, 2013

A FALSE PROFESSION OF FAITH IS BEING MADE BY CATHOLIC RELIGIOUS ALL OVER THE WORLD

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/08/a-false-profession-of-faith-is-being.html

Pope Benedict XVI could have interpreted Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in March 2016 with Feeneyism instead of Cushingism: he chose heresy and the hermeneutic of rupture

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/04/pope-benedict-xvi-could-have.html

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We are in the same Church but the Polish bishops interpret the Nicene Creed, EENS, Vatican Council II and the Catechism differently

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/we-are-in-same-church-but-polish.html

We are in the same Church but the two popes and I interpret the Nicene Creed, EENS, Vatican Council II and the Catechism differently

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/we-are-in-same-church-but-two-popes-and.html

Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, Bishop Charles Morerod O.P Oath of Fidelity: to dissent Profession of Faith allows for dissent on ecclesiology and baptism 

 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/cardinal-luiz-ladaria-bishop-charles.html#links

PROFESSION OF FAITH: I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH 

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2011/12/profession-of-faith-i-believe-in-holy.html#links

WILL BISHOP BERNARD FELLAY IN THE PROFESSION OF FAITH SAY: 'I BELIEVE IN ONE BAPTISM FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS?The SSPX website says there are three baptisms not one

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/will-bishop-berbard-fellay-in.html#links

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DECEMBER 10, 2017

Oath of fidelity made by all Bishops officially supports irrationality, heresy and non traditional conclusions

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/oath-of-fidelity-made-by-all-bishops.html

We are in the same Church but the Polish bishops interpret the Nicene Creed, EENS, Vatican Council II and the Catechism differently

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/we-are-in-same-church-but-polish.html

We are in the same Church but the two popes and I interpret the Nicene Creed, EENS, Vatican Council II and the Catechism differently

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/we-are-in-same-church-but-two-popes-and.html

Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, Bishop Charles Morerod O.P Oath of Fidelity: to dissent Profession of Faith allows for dissent on ecclesiology and baptism 

 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/cardinal-luiz-ladaria-bishop-charles.html#links

PROFESSION OF FAITH: I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH 

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2011/12/profession-of-faith-i-believe-in-holy.html#links

WILL BISHOP BERNARD FELLAY IN THE PROFESSION OF FAITH SAY: 'I BELIEVE IN ONE BAPTISM FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS?The SSPX website says there are three baptisms not one

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/will-bishop-berbard-fellay-in.html#links

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DECEMBER 10, 2017

Oath of fidelity made by all Bishops officially supports irrationality, heresy and non traditional conclusions

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/oath-of-fidelity-made-by-all-bishops.html

SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 23, 2019

Profession of Faith, Oath Against Modernism are meaningless : Vatican Council's interpretation creates orthodoxy or heresy, modernism or faithfulness to the Catholic faith

The Profession of Faith is useless today. The Oath Against Modernism is meaningless.Instead Catholics should be asked how do they interpret Vatican Council II. How do they interpret LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II ? Are they invisible or visible, implicit or explicit, subjective or objective,hypothetical or real, for you ?. This decides it.It decides if we are faithful or modernist, orthodox or unorthodox.It decides if we really are Catholic or heretical.One interpretation is rational and the other irrational.
 

We can interpret Vatican Council II irrationally and recite the Creed.The result is heresy.The irrational interpretation creates modernism. The Catholic becomes a liberal.
 

A Catholic could recite the Nicene Creed.Then he could interpret LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3 etc,irrationally. LG 8 etc would refer to personally known non Catholics.


People  saved outside the Church.This creates confusion.The Council becomes a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors.The Athanasius Creed is made obsolete.We have a new interpretation of the Nicene Creed and the Apostles Creed.
 

If LG 8,LG 14, LG 16 etc refer to visible non Catholics outside the Church then outside the Church there is salvation.So LG 16( invincible ignorance) becomes an exception to magisterial documents. The Catechism of Pope Pius X is contradicted.It is contradicted on outside the Church there is no salvation. This Catechism would also contradict itself.
 
 So recite the Nicene Creed as a Profession of Faith.However also ask,"Does LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, refer to physically invisible or visible cases for you ?".
The difference needs to be clarified. There then is a profession of orthodoxy or heresy.-Lionel Andrades

   

So Longs My Soul - Liam Lawton

St.Peter and St. Paul

 

For St. Peter and St. Paul there was no salvation outside the Jesus and the community of that time; the Early Church, the Early Catholic Church. But for Pope Francis there is salvation outside the Church. This view is supported by the irrationality in the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office (LOHO) to the Archbishop of Boston and also Vatican Council II interpreted with the LOHO reasoning, the LOHO error. -Lionel Andrades

These are Church Documents which Pope Francis does not affirm. He believes Vatican Council II (irrational) contradicts them and they are obsolete now

 

The Jesuit theolgian St. Robert Bellarmine has said that a pope in manifest, public heresy cannot be a pope.  Pope Francis re-interprets the Nicene Creed irrationally.With the same False Premise, he rejects the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Athanasius Creed. He interprets all the Catechisms irrationally and not rationally. He does not interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise. This is schism with the pre-1949 Magisterium, it is official and public.There is no denial from Pope Francis, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith or the Vatican Press Office.

For Archbishop Thomas E. Gullickson, Fr. Stefano Visintin OSB and John Martignoni, the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are not physically visible but for Pope Francis they are physically visible. If not, he would be affirming Feeneyite EENS and would be a traditionalist. 

But if the baptism of desire cases were not there in our reality, there could not be a break with Feeneyite EENS. Invisible cases cannot contradict the Syllabus of Errors. 

Yet there are visible exeptions for the Athanasius Creed etc for Pope Francis. These are Church Documents which Pope Francis does not affirm. He believes Vatican Council II (irrational) contradicts them and they are obsolete now.-Lionel Andrades