Thursday, December 6, 2018

The European Union and the Leftists are forcing the Vatican to interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). The Italian government must also note that the same irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II is being forced upon Italian Catholics and non Italians studying and working in Italy.

The European Union  and the Leftists are forcing the Vatican to interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
The Italian government must also note that the same irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II is being forced upon Italian Catholics and non Italians studying and working in Italy.

I re-interpret Vatican Council II rationally and traditionally.The two popès could do the same. Even the Catholic political parties in Italy could do the same.

ECUMENISM OF RETURN
Based on Vatican Council II, I affirm an ecumenism of return.Since Ad Gentes 7 says all need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation.

EENS ACCORDING TO THE 16TH CENTURY
Based on Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7) I affirm the strict interpretation of outside the Church there is no salvation. Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation. 
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This missionary activity derives its reason from the will of God, "who wishes all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, Himself a man, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself as a ransom for all" (1 Tim. 2:45), "neither is there salvation in any other" (Acts 4:12).
Therefore, all must be converted to Him...and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door...
By means of this activity, the Mystical Body of Christ unceasingly gathers and directs its forces toward its own growth (cf. Eph. 4:11-16). The members of the Church are impelled to carry on such missionary activity by reason of the love with which they love God and by which they desire to share with all men the spiritual goods of both its life and the life to come.
Finally, by means of this missionary activity, God is fully glorified, provided that men fully and consciously accept His work of salvation, which He has accomplished in Christ.-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II

PAST ECCLESIOLOGY SUPPORTED
With the  strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and the rational interpretation of  Vatican Council II for me there is only the  past exclusìvist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church based on Ad Gentes 7.
 LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to hypothetical and invisible cases only. So they do not contradict Ad Gentes 7  and  EENS according to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century.

SOCIAL REIGN OF CHRIST THE KING BASED ON AD GENTES 7
So the priority for me would be the Social Reign of Christ the King  since outside the Church there is no salvation(AG 7).

NON SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE BASED ON EENS
I would support the non separation of Church and State since every one needs to be a member of the Catholic Church for salvation (AG 7).

TRADITIONAL MISSION DOCTRINE RETURNS
I support mission programs since Vatican Council II (AG 7) indicates all non Catholics are oriented to Hell unless they enter the Church before death with 'faith and baptism'.Most people die outside the Church and so they are in Hell. The Church is saying in Vatican Council II that most people are in Hell. 

So I support Tradition by re-interpreting Vatican Council II rationally.I do not create a rupture with Tradition as does the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and popes Benedict and Francis.
-Lionel Andrades

I support Tradition by re-interpreting Vatican Council II rationally.

Comment on the blog Vox Cantoris - awaiting approval
Vox,
This is  a comment on doctrine.
This is how I interpret Vatican Council II. Do you have any comments on it.

I re-interpret Vatican Council II rationally and traditionally.

ECUMENISM OF RETURN
Based on Vatican Council II, I affirm an ecumenism of return.Since Ad Gentes 7 says all need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation.

EENS ACCORDING TO THE 16TH CENTURY
Based on Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7) I affirm the strict interpretation of outside the Church there is no salvation. Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation. 
7. 
This missionary activity derives its reason from the will of God, "who wishes all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, Himself a man, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself as a ransom for all" (1 Tim. 2:45), "neither is there salvation in any other" (Acts 4:12).
Therefore, all must be converted to Him...and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door...
By means of this activity, the Mystical Body of Christ unceasingly gathers and directs its forces toward its own growth (cf. Eph. 4:11-16). The members of the Church are impelled to carry on such missionary activity by reason of the love with which they love God and by which they desire to share with all men the spiritual goods of both its life and the life to come.
Finally, by means of this missionary activity, God is fully glorified, provided that men fully and consciously accept His work of salvation, which He has accomplished in Christ.-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II

PAST ECCLESIOLOGY SUPPORTED
With the  strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and the rational interpretation of  Vatican Council II for me there is only the  past exclusìvist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church based on Ad Gentes 7.
 LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to hypothetical and invisible cases only. So they do not contradict Ad Gentes 7  and  EENS according to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century.

SOCIAL REIGN OF CHRIST THE KING BASED ON AD GENTES 7
So the priority for me would be the Social Reign of Christ the King  since outside the Church there is no salvation(AG 7).

NON SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE BASED ON EENS
I would support the non separation of Church and State since every one needs to be a member of the Catholic Church for salvation (AG 7).

TRADITIONAL MISSION DOCTRINE RETURNS
I support mission programs since Vatican Council II (AG 7) indicates all non Catholics are oriented to Hell unless they enter the Church before death with 'faith and baptism'.Most people die outside the Church and so they are in Hell. The Church is saying in Vatican Council II that most people are in Hell. 

So I support Tradition by re-interpreting Vatican Council II rationally.
-Lionel Andrades

Forza Nuova - Signore, siamo i portatori della Tua croce, e il rischio è il nostro pane quotidiano.

4 dicembre
Signore, siamo i portatori della Tua croce,
e il rischio è il nostro pane quotidiano.
Un giorno senza rischio non è vissuto,
poichè per noi credenti la morte è vita,
è luce: nel terrore dei crolli,
nel furore delle acque,
nell'inferno dei roghi.
La nostra vita è il fuoco,
la nostra fede è Dio
Per Santa Barbara Martire.

Per Santa Barbara Martire.

Anche quest’anno all’Angelus per gridare: “Viva Cristo Re!” - Militia Christi

Anche quest’anno all’Angelus per gridare: “Viva Cristo Re!”



Ho portato il saluto al Festival della Dottrina sociale della Chiesa.

Ho portato il saluto al Festival della Dottrina sociale della Chiesa. Un appuntamento molto importante, con grandi ospiti, organizzato veramente bene, nella mia Verona!
https://www.facebook.com/On.LorenzoFontana/

Sweden Democrat politician to Leftists: “You should be ashamed, and history will judge you hard”

Sweden Democrat politician to Leftists: “You should be ashamed, and history will judge you hard”

Sweden Democrat Kent Ekeroth delivers a hard-hitting speech on the catastrophe that Leftists have brought to Sweden with mass migration. They respond with cant, cliches, and condescension. Watch the whole thing.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/12/sweden-democrat-politician-to-leftists-you-should-be-ashamed-and-history-will-judge-you-hard

Italy: School drops Jesus’ name from Christmas song to avoid offending Muslims, 10-year-old girl gets it restored

Italy: School drops Jesus’ name from Christmas song to avoid offending Muslims, 10-year-old girl gets it restored

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“A 10-year-old girl launched a petition and managed to get Jesus’s name put into a school’s Christmas song after it was left out so as not offend the sensibilities of non-Catholic students.”
Come on. That wasn’t why it was left out. If the non-Catholic students were other Christians, they wouldn’t object to the mention of Jesus. Jews have been in Italy for centuries as it expressed its Christian culture, and schools never abdicated their Christian identity to appease them; nor did they demand such accommodation. This was done to avoid offending Muslims, and Muslims only. Kudos to this 10-year-old girl for taking the initiative and putting a stop to it.
“Girl, 10, gets Jesus into school Xmas song,” ANSA, November 30, 2018 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
(ANSA) – Venezia, November 30 – A 10-year-old girl launched a petition and managed to get Jesus’s name put into a school’s Christmas song after it was left out so as not offend the sensibilities of non-Catholic students….

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/12/italy-school-drops


Pakistan’s Prime Minister denies Jesus’ existence, vows to spearhead international campaign against insulting Islam


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Pakistan’s Prime Minister Imran Khan remarked during a recent celebration of Muhammad’s birthday that while the life of Islam’s Muhammad “is part of history,” there is no “mention” of Jesus in human history. In the same speech, he vowed to stop the West from committing “blasphemy” against Muhammad. Once again, the arrow goes in one direction when it comes to insulting Islam or offending Muslims. It is perfectly acceptable to insult other religions, but lay off Islam.
Khan, directly following his election this past summer, vowed to take his campaign against blasphemy to the United Nations. He was referring to a planned Muhammad cartoon exhibit by Geert Wilders. Khan stated that “few in the West understand the pain caused to Muslims by such activities.”
But those rules of offense to one’s religion are exclusive to Islam. Khan plans to take the issue of offense to Islam to new heights worldwide. Right after his unprovoked comments about Christianity, he announced that Pakistan would spearhead “an international campaign against the defamation of Islam and make using freedom of speech as a pretext to commit blasphemy a crime.”
This brazen incursion against the freedom of speech is nothing new. The West has long been a target of Islamic blasphemy laws, and fatuous Western leaders have been genuflecting before Islamic supremacists in so-called “diversity” meetings that aim to force the “Islamophobia” agenda onto Western societies. The charge of “Islamophobia” is intended to silence critics of Islam.
Pakistan is a world leader in enforcing Islamic blasphemy laws. The US Department of State has put Pakistan “on a special watch list for ‘severe violations of religious freedom.’”
“Pakistani PM: ‘There Is No Mention of Jesus in History,’” by Edwin Mora, Breitbart, December 3, 2018:
Pakistan’s Prime Minister Imran Khan recently remarked that, while the life of Islam’s Muhammad “is part of history,” there is no “mention” of Jesus in human history, the Times of Israel (TOI)reported on Friday.
“There were prophets of Allah other [than Muhammad], but there is no mention of them in human history. There is negligible mention of them. Moses is mentioned, but there is no mention of Jesus in history,” Khan proclaimed, TOI revealed, citing a translation posted by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI).
“But the entire life of Muhammad, who was Allah’s last prophet, is part of history,” the Pakistan leader added.
The Muslim premier’s comments came during an event marking Muhammad’s birthday on November 20, when Khan declared that Islamabad would spearhead an international campaign against the defamation of Islam and make using freedom of speech as a pretext to commit blasphemy a crime.
Nearly a year earlier, the U.S. State Department placed Pakistan on a special watch list for “severe violations of religious freedom.”
The campaign “would prevent people using freedom of speech as a cover for hurting the religious sentiments of Muslims around the world. Pakistan will spearhead the signing of this convention and make using freedom of speech to commit blasphemy a crime,” Khan said.
During his speech at the convention, Khan expressed anger over the publication of cartoons and other satirical portraying Muhammad in the West, arguing that the outrage that tends to ensue soon after the images are published are used to tarnish Islam.
Khan observed:
Every few years, in some Western country, our dear Prophet is blasphemed against and dishonored. What is the consequence of this? Muslims become angry. We take to the streets in protest, [protesters] break things in our country … It enables the enemies of Muslims to tell people in the West: ‘See, Islam is a big religion that spreads violence.’ They get an opportunity to spread propaganda against Islam.
The PM claimed that the European Union has admitted that no one can use freedom of expression as a pretext for blasphemy.

 https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/12/pakistans-prime-minister-denies-jesus-existence-vows-to-spearhead-international-campaign-against-insulting-islam

Repost : At the Vatican-SSPX talks Fr. Davide Paglarani must affirm Church teachings by re-interpreting Vatican Council II rationally and traditionally and asking the Vatican Curia to do the same.

DECEMBER 2, 2018


At the Vatican-SSPX talks Fr. Davide Paglarani must affirm Church teachings by re-interpreting Vatican Council II rationally and traditionally and asking the Vatican Curia to do the same.

At the Vatican-SSPX talks Fr. Davide Pagliarani, Superior General of the SSPX, must affirm Church teachings by re-interpreting Vatican Council II rationally and traditionally and asking the Vatican Curia to do the same.
ECUMENISM OF RETURN
Based on Vatican Council II, he  could affirm an ecumenism of return.Since Ad Gentes 7 says all need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation.

EENS ACCORDING TO THE 16TH CENTURY
Based on Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7) he could affirm the strict interpretation of outside the Church there is no salvation. Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation. 
7. This missionary activity derives its reason from the will of God, "who wishes all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, Himself a man, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself as a ransom for all" (1 Tim. 2:45), "neither is there salvation in any other" (Acts 4:12).
Therefore, all must be converted to Him...and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door...
By means of this activity, the Mystical Body of Christ unceasingly gathers and directs its forces toward its own growth (cf. Eph. 4:11-16). The members of the Church are impelled to carry on such missionary activity by reason of the love with which they love God and by which they desire to share with all men the spiritual goods of both its life and the life to come.
Finally, by means of this missionary activity, God is fully glorified, provided that men fully and consciously accept His work of salvation, which He has accomplished in Christ.-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II

PAST ECCLESIOLOGY SUPPORTED
With the  strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and Vatican Council II interpreted rationally,he would be supporting the past exclusìvist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church based on Ad Gentes 7.
 LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to hypothetical and invisible cases only. So they do not contradict Ad Gentes 7  and  EENS according to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century.

SOCIAL REIGN OF CHRIST THE KING BASED ON AD GENTES 7
So the priority would be the Social Reign of Christ the King  since outside the Church there is no salvation(AG 7).

NON SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE BASED ON EENS
He would support the non separation of Church and State since every one needs to be a member of the Catholic Church for salvation (AG 7).

TRADITIONAL MISSION DOCTRINE RETURNS
He would support mission programs since Vatican Council II (AG 7) indicates all non Catholics are oriented to Hell unless they enter the Church before death with 'faith and baptism'.Most people die outside the Church and so are in Hell. The Church is saying in Vatican Council II that most people are in Hell. 1

So he would be supporting Tradition by re-interpreting Vatican Council II rationally.
-Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/at-vatican-sspx-talks-fr-davide.html

DECEMBER 2, 2018


During the Vatican-SSPX Doctrinal Talks the Vatican side will refuse to affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to the Magisterium of the 16th century. The SSPX must cite Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation. All signifies those who know and those who do not know about Jesus and the Church.

During the Vatican-SPX Doctrinal Talks the Vatican side will refuse to affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) according to the Magisterium of the 16th century.
The SSPX side must cite Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation. All signifies those who know and those who do not know about Jesus and the Church.
So Vatican Council II is in harmony with the three Church Councils which defined the dogma EENS.
So the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF) must affirm EENS with the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) not being practical exceptions to EENS.They can be accepted as being  only hypothetical cases.
The Vatican side can confirm that they are only hypothetical cases and that practically we cannot know of any non Catholic saved outside the Church, with BOD, BOB and I.I.
Similarly there are no known cases of a non Catholic saved outside the Church because 'God is not limited to the Sacraments'(CCC 1257).
Nor is there any known non Catholic who is saved or will be saved since the Gospel was not proclaimed to them(LG 14).The norm for salvation is 'faith and baptism'(AG 7, LG 14) and we humans cannot know of any exceptions.
There is only the ordinary way of salvation known to us ( faith and baptism) and no extraordinary way (BOD, BOB andI.I).BOD,BOB and I.I would only be known to God-Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/during-vatican-spx-doctrinal-talks.html

In the 16th century these two popes would have been put in prison for heresy and schism

 The issue is not just extra ecclesiam nulla salus or the baptism of desire etc but it is can a pope be a pope if he rejects a Catholic dogma EENS, re-interprets all the Creeds with an irrationality, re-interprets Vatican Council II as a rupture with Tradition by using the same irrationality and makes the old Catechisms contradict themselves and the Syllabus of Errors.Can he still be a pope?

This has come as a surprise to traditionalists bloggers and commentators who have been superficially looking at this issue all these years and putting it away as 'Feeneyism'. 

Cardinal Raymond Burke has said that a pope in heresy cannot be a pope.Both the popes today would deny that they are in heresy. When they want to change doctrine they say it is a change in discipline and not dogma.

But in this case, EENS and BOD,  they are telling us there are two interpretations of EENS, two interpretations of the Creeds,  two interpretations of Vatican Council II and the Catechsms and two interpretations of BOD, BOB and I.I. One is rational and the other irrational and they have chosen the irrational one to create a hermeneutic of rupture with the past popes. This is schism.It is also public heresy.

They do not have the right to offer Holy Mass with heresy. Since then the Mass is a sacrilege and a scandal even if it valid for others. They must rectifiy the public scandal before they offer  the Sacraments.

 

 

 

 

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF) cannot announce that the two popes affirm the dogma EENS and do not reject it.Pope Benedict confirmed in March 2016 (Avvenire) that EENS had been changed. It was no more like it was for the missionaries in the 16th century.How was it changed? He said with Vatican Council II.

He does not interpret Vatican Council II also , like I do.For me LG 8,UR 3, GS 22  etc being hypothetical are not exceptions to the 16th century- EENS. But  they are exceptions  for Pope Benedict and Pope Francis. In other words LG 8 etc refer to known people in 2018 saved outside the Church.They would have to be known to be exceptions.They would have to visible to be exceptions.Invisible people cannot be relevant to  EENS.

This is irrational and it is the official reasing of the two popes who are in public heresy. There cannot be known people saved outside the Church,since if any one is saved he or she would only be visible to God.Yet for them there are. Their entire new theology is based upon this error.

BOD, BOB and I.I like LG 8, UR 3, GS 22 etc are always theoretical and speculative. They can never refer to people seen in the flesh in the present times.

So it is clear that the present two popes like the CDF Prefect, the CDF Secretary and consultants do not affirm traditional EENS. They affirm an EENS which has exceptions, when there cannot be any exceptions.This is a variation. It is heresy.

Neither do they affirm the Creeds like they did  in the 16th century. They interpret the Creeds with personally known cases of BOD, BOB and I.I.It is no  more ' I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' but 'I believe in three or more baptism, desire, blood, invincible ignorance etc, and they all exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church'.

Similarly they do not interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechisms rationally as I do. Instead they create a rupture with Tradition, when there really is no  rupture.They use a false premise and inference to create a non traditional conclusion.

So how can a pope be a pope when he changes the understanding of EENS, the Creeds, Vatican Council II and the Catechisms and upon this new theology based upon  visible BOD, BOB and I.I approves Redemptoris Mission, Dominus Iesus, the Balamand Declaration and the Joint Statement on Justification with the Lutherans ? His theology is de-railed, creating brand new doctrines and he covers up all this.

In the 16th century this pope would have been put in prison for heresy and schism? -Lionel Andrades

 

December 5, 2018



How can a pope interpret Vatican Council II with an irrational premise and inference and then still be a pope ?

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/how-can-pope-interpret-vatican-council.html

December 5, 2018


This decides if the average Catholic and the present two popes are in heresy and schism  https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/this-decides-if-average-catholic-and.html

  November 28, 2018


This is the doctrine the two popes reject : valid Holy Mass but in sacrilege   https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/11/this-is-doctrine-two-popes-reject-valid.html

  

November 27, 2018


Pope Francis' Holy Mass is a sacrilege for him even if it is valid : public mortal sins of faith, rejection of de fide doctrine with an irrational premise and inference 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/11/to-understand-how-present-two-popes-and.html

 

 

NOVEMBER 23, 2018



Pope Francis simply has to interpret the BOD, BOB and I.I as not being exceptions to EENS : heresy and sacrilege end (Graphics )
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/11/pope-francis-sumply-has-to-interpret.html

NOVEMBER 23, 2018

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Should not the cardinals and bishops also interpret BOD, BOB and I.I rationally and set an example for the pope?  https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/11/should-not-cardinals-and-bishops-also.html

NOVEMBER 22, 2018

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St.Alphonsus Liguori says that if a priest is in mortal sin do not go up to receive the Eucharist from him - but what about a pope ? https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/11/stalphonsus-liguori-says-that-if-priest.html








-Lionel Andrades

AUGUST 10, 2018

Chris Ferrara, Mons.Clifford Joseph Fenton, Fr. John Hardon, Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira, Michael Davis, Dietrich von Hildebrand, Attila Guimares, Fr. Nicholas Gruner, John Vennari and others did not know about it

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/08/chris-ferrara-monsclifford-joseph.html

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December 5, 2018

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Fr.Davide Pagliarani, the new Superior General of the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) should use my approach in the second round of doctrinal talks with the CDF   https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/frdavide-pagliarani-new-superior.html