When there is no known salvation outside the Catholic Church in the present times(1965-2021) in personal cases, how can there be objective exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and a New Theology, New Ecumenism, New Ecclesiology and New Evangelisation ? We cannot meet or physically see any one saved outside the Church as a Protestant or Evangelical Christian ( New Ecumenism ). Neither do we know of any one saved outside the Church, to whom God has sent a preacher ( New Evangelisation). We do not know of a non Catholic saved in invincible ignorance and so there are exceptions to EENS and the old theology has become obsolete (New Theology). There is no no known salvation outside the Catholic Church.So how can it be said that the need for non Catholics to convert into the Catholic Church to go to Heaven and avoid Hell is now obsolete?(New Ecclesiology)

 When there is no known salvation outside the Catholic Church in the present times(1965-2021) in personal cases, how can there be objective exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and a New Theology, New Ecumenism, New Ecclesiology and New Evangelisation ?

We cannot meet or physically see any one saved outside the Church as a Protestant or Evangelical Christian ( New Ecumenism ). Neither do we know of any one saved outside the Church, to whom God has sent a  preacher ( New Evangelisation). We do not know of a non Catholic saved in invincible ignorance and so there are exceptions to EENS and the old theology has become obsolete (New Theology). There is no no known salvation outside the Catholic Church.So how can it be said that the need for non Catholics to convert into the Catholic Church to go to Heaven and avoid Hell is now obsolete?(New Ecclesiology). - Lionel Andrades

Ecumenism and inter-religious dialogue are part of traditional Mission, since outside the Church there is no salvation in 2021.There never ever were people saved outside the Catholic Church who were known to us. So Vatican Council II does not mention any. LG 8, LG 16, UR 3 in Vatican Council II refer to only hypothetical and theoretical cases and not actual and real non Catholics, saved outside the Catholic Church, without faith and the baptism of water

 Ecumenism and inter-religious dialogue are part of traditional Mission, since outside the Church there is no salvation in 2021.There never ever were people saved outside the Catholic Church who were known to us. So Vatican Council II does not mention any.

LG 8, LG 16, UR 3 in Vatican Council II refer to only hypothetical and theoretical cases and not actual and real non Catholics, saved outside the Catholic Church, without faith and the baptism of water. - Lionel Andrades

I accept Vatican Council II but I avoid the common fake premise. So the Council is traditional and Feeneyite for me. Don't expect me to say that I personally know non-Catholics saved outside the Church. The norm for salvation is the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) defined by three Church Councils and if there are exceptions they can only be known to God. So we know of the ordinary means of salvation, faith and the baptism of water(Ad Gentes 7).There is no extraordinary way known to us humans

 I accept Vatican Council II but I avoid the common fake premise. So the Council is traditional and Feeneyite for me. 

Don't expect me to say that I personally know non-Catholics saved outside the Church. 

The norm for salvation is the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) defined by three Church Councils and if there are exceptions they can only be known to God.

So we know of the ordinary means of salvation, faith and the baptism of water(Ad Gentes 7).There is no extraordinary way known to us humans. -Lionel Andrades

The false premise is a theological virus in the Catholic Church. When you remove it, avoid it, you are free from the doctrinal epidemic in the Church

 The false premise is a theological virus in the Catholic Church. When you remove it, avoid it, you are free from the doctrinal epidemic in the Church. - Lionel Andrades

We don't know of any one saved in 2020-2021 with 'good will outside the Church'(GS 22) and neither with 'imperfect communion with the Church'(UR 3) or where the Catholic Church 'subsists'(LG 8) outside its visible boundaries or with 'elements of sanctification and truth' in other religions

 We don't know of any one saved in 2020-2021  with 'good will outside the Church'(GS 22) and neither with 'imperfect communion with the Church'(UR 3) or where the Catholic Church 'subsists'(LG 8) outside its visible boundaries or with 'elements of sanctification and truth' in other religions. (LG 8). - Lionel Andrades

There cannot be a New Theology based upon a false premise e.g confusing invisible cases of LG 8, LG 16 etc as being visible examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church. Neither can there be ' a development of doctrine' based upon the same false premise

 There cannot be a New Theology based upon a false premise e.g confusing invisible cases of LG 8, LG 16 etc as being visible examples of salvation outside the  Catholic Church. Neither can there be ' a development of doctrine' based upon the same false premise. - Lionel Andrades

When the Catechism of the Council of Trent refers to 'the desire thereof' and the Catechism of Pope Paul X to 'invincible ignorance', these are references to hypothetical and speculative cases only.So they do not contradict Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441 on extra ecclesiam nulla salus

 When the Catechism of the Council of Trent refers to 'the desire thereof' and the Catechism of Pope Paul X  to 'invincible ignorance', these are references to hypothetical and speculative cases only.So they do not contradict Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441 on extra ecclesiam nulla salus. -Lionel Andrades

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I would like to see the day when Catechism classes return to teaching exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. Of course, the Catechist simply has to draw on Tradition and point out that there are no objective exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, to exclusive salvation being there in the Catholic Church

 I would like to see the day when Catechism classes return to teaching exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. Of course, the Catechist simply has to draw on Tradition and point out that there are no objective exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, to exclusive salvation being there in the Catholic Church. - Lionel Andrades

The Bible says outside the Church there is no salvation (John 3:5, Mark 16:16 etc) and we do not know of any exception in 2021

 The Bible says outside the Church there is no salvation (John 3:5, Mark 16:16 etc) and we do not know of any exception in 2021.

When I meet a non Catholic I know that he or she is oriented to the fires of Hell, since the Bible and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus( based upon the Bible) is the norm. The norm is not the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance, 'goodwill'(GS 22), good and holy things in other religions (NA 2) etc. -Lionel Andrades

The precise problem is the False Premise. The general problem is Vatican Council II. Vatican Council II is referred to often vaguely without specifying the precise fault

 The precise problem is the False Premise. The general problem is Vatican Council II. Vatican Council II is referred to often vaguely without specifying the precise fault.- Lionel Andrades

Pope Francis wants everyone to accept and interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise and Cardinal Raymond Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider are obliging. They agree. They have no objections on this point

 Pope Francis wants everyone to accept and interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise and Cardinal Raymond Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider are obliging. They agree. They have no objections on this point. - Lionel Andrades

Non Christians are often invited to get an academic degree in Catholic theology at pontifical universities and then to teach theology in Italy. Since with the false premise there is a New Theology which says outside the Church there is known salvation. The old exclusivist ecclesiology is obsolete. The present two popes have said that non Christians too will be saved.So conversion into the Catholic Church is no more taught

 Non Christians are often invited to get an academic degree in Catholic theology at pontifical universities  and then to teach theology in Italy. Since with the false premise there is a New Theology which says outside the Church there is known salvation. The old exclusivist ecclesiology is obsolete. The present two popes have said that non Christians too will be saved.So conversion into the Catholic Church is no more taught. - Lionel Andrades

Exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church cannot be proclaimed or taught at Catechisms underway this month in the churches in Italy, since immediately someone will object and cite Vatican Council II interpreted with a false premise

 Exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church cannot be proclaimed or taught at Catechisms underway this month in the churches in Italy, since immediately someone will object and cite Vatican Council II interpreted with a false premise. -Lionel Andrades

When Vatican Council II is interpreted without a false premise, approved by the Left, then even non Catholics can teach Catholic Catechism and the New Theology. Since the Church no more says it has exclusive salvation. So even in a multi cultural and multi religious environment the Catechesis is non controversial

When Vatican Council II is interpreted without a false premise, approved by the Left, then even non Catholics can teach Catholic Catechism and the New Theology. Since the Church no more says it has exclusive salvation. So even in a multi cultural and multi religious environment the Catechesis is non controversial. - Lionel Andrades

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Without the false premise Catechesis changes

 The Catechetical Office which Pope Francis visited last month when he said that Vatican Counci lI is obligatory for all to believe in, is interpreting the Council with a fake premise and so is not teaching that there is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church.

Without the false premise Catechesis changes. -Lionel Andrades

"Dovete parlare alla Madonna, sorriderle, innamorarvi di Lei" - Suor Elvira

Without the use of the false premise to interpret Vatican Council II, Bishop Peter Libasci, the bishop oF Manchester, his Judicial Vicar Fr. Georges de Laire, the Chancellor Meredith Cook and the rest of the Curia and the heads of departments, would be affirming the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), and the Decree of Precepts and Prohibitions would also apply to them

 I have been sending these blog posts to Fr. Georges de Laire and Brother Andre Marie MICM and also to members of the Chancery offices  in the diocese of Manchester, USA and also the religious at the St.Benedict Center, New Hamsphire.

The points I want to make  are as follows.

1. Without the use of the false premise to interpret Vatican Council II, Bishop Peter Libasci, the bishop o Manchester, his Judicial Vicar Fr. Georges de Laire, the Chancellor Meredith Cook and the rest of the Curia and the heads of departments, would be affirming the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), and the Decree of Precepts and Prohibitions would also apply to them.

2. Without the  use of the false premise to interpret Vatican Council II all the religious communities in Manchester, men and women, would be affirming 16th century EENS, and the Decree would also apply for them.

3.The use of the false premise is unethical and deceptive. It is not Catholic and should not be imposed upon Catholics in the diocese. It is also telling a lie to non Catholics about Vatican Council II.

4.The St. Benedict Center,NH should not be forced to to use the false premise to interpret Vatican Council II and other Magisterial documents, to avoid the Decree of Precepts and Prohibitions.-Lionel Andrades    

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Ad Gentes 7( all need faith and baptism for salvation ) agrees with extra ecclesiam nulla salus( outside the Church there is no salvation) which also agrees with the Athanasius Creed ( all need the Catholic faith for salvation )

 Ad Gentes 7( all need faith and baptism for salvation ) agrees with extra ecclesiam nulla salus( outside the Church there is no salvation) which also agrees with the Athanasius Creed ( all need the Catholic faith for salvation ). - Lionel Andrades

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FEBRUARY 9, 2021

The Catechism of the Catholic Church (n.1257) says all need the baptism of water for salvation but God is not limited to the Sacraments.Defacto ( practically) all need the baptism of water for salvation and de jure (in principle, hypothetically, speculatively, theoretically) God is not limited to the Sacraments

 The Catechism of the Catholic Church (n.1257) says all need the baptism of water for salvation but God is not limited to the Sacraments.Defacto ( practically) all need the baptism of water for salvation and de jure (in principle, hypothetically, speculatively, theoretically) God is not limited to the Sacraments. - Lionel Andrades

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FEBRUARY 9, 2021

The Catechism of the Catholic Church (n.846) states outside the Church there is no salvation (AG 7, CCC 846) and all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church. So if anyone is saved through the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance, outside the Church, it would only be known to God, and so it would not be an exception or relevant to the traditional teaching on all needing faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7, EENS etc) and outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation (CCC 846)

 The Catechism of the Catholic Church (n.846) states outside the Church there is no salvation (AG 7, CCC 846) and all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church. So if anyone is saved through the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance, outside the Church, it would only be known to God, and so it would not be an exception or relevant to the traditional teaching on all needing faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7, EENS etc) and outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation (CCC 846). - Lionel Andrades

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 FEBRUARY 9, 2021

The Decree of Precepts and Prohibitions placed upon the St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire for affirming the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), with no known exceptions, could also be placed upon the other religious communities in the Diocese of Manchester, men and women, if they did not unethically use a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II and create fake exceptions for EENS

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/the-decree-of-precepts-and-prohibitions.html

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-Lionel Andrades

FEBRUARY 9, 2021

Seven questions which Bishop Peter Libasci , Diane Quinlin, the Chancellor and the Rev. Georges de Laire, Judicial Vicar could answer and affirm. Their interpretation of Vatican Council II and EENS would be the same as that of the St. Benedict Center, NH.So they can end the prohibitions placed upon the religious community

All the religious communities in the Diocese of Manchester, USA could be asked these seven questions and they would agree with them. Even the LCWR Sisters would be in agreement with these seven questions as the two religious communities in Rome. Since they are common sense questions and indicate that Vatican Council II can be interpreted without a false premise and the conclusion supports exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church and the rest of Tradition.

Here are the seven questions which Bishop Peter Libasci the bishop of the diocese, Diane Quinlin, the Chancellor and the Rev. Georges de Laire, Judicial Vicar could also answer and affirm. Their interpretation of Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus woud be the same as that of the St. Benedict Center, NH.So they could end the prohibitions placed upon the religious community Slaves of the Immaculate Heart Mary at the St. Benedict Center.

SEVEN POINTS

 1. LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II always refer to hypothetical, speculative and theoretical cases.So they are not practical exceptions to the exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church. There is no objective rupture with the Athanasius Creed which says all need Catholic faith for salvation.

2. They agree that Jesus died for all, salvation is open for all in potential but to receive this salvation all need to enter the Church, with faith and baptism(AG 7). The Church is necessary ( Dominus Iesus 20, CDF, Notification on Fr.Jacques Dupuis sj 2000 etc).

3. They interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise, just like me. LG 14, LG 16 etc are only hypothetical. They are not objective cases in 2021.

4. The baptism of desire(BDD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance (I.I) refer to only hypothetical cases. If any one has received salvation with BOD, BOB and I.I only God can know.

5.The Church teaches in Vatican Council II( without the false premise) that everyone who dies in 2021, without faith and baptism, are oriented to Hell in general, in principle.

6. It is a lie and deception when someone uses the false premise to interpret the Nicene Creed, Vatican Council II. Catechisms, the dogma EENS and BOD, BOB and I.I.

7. Catholics need to interpret Vatican Council II rationally and not irrationally. There is a rational option.-Lionel Andrades

https://www.catholicnh.org/worship-and-sacraments/vocations/religious/

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https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/if-cdf-is-honest-sanctions-should-also.html

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FEBRUARY 9, 2021

The Decree of Precepts and Prohibitions placed upon the St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire for affirming the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), with no known exceptions, could also be placed upon the other religious communities in the Diocese of Manchester, men and women, if they did not unethically use a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II and create fake exceptions for EENS

 The Decree of Precepts and Prohibitions placed upon the St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire for affirming the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), with no known exceptions, could also be placed upon the other religious communities in the Diocese of Manchester, men and women, if they did not unethically use a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II and create fake exceptions for EENS.

The Decree could also be applied to Fr.Georges de Laire, Judicial Vicar, of the diocese, who unethically interprets all Magisterial documents, including Vatican Council II, with a false premise and inference to create a rupture with the teaching on their being exclusive salvation  in the Catholic Church ( EENS, Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX etc).

Similarly the Secretaries of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Archbishops Giacomo Morandi and Augustine di Noia would also be affirming EENS according to the missionaries of the 16th century if they did not deceptively use the fake premise confusing what is invisible as being visible and then creating a New Theology based upon this error.The same could also be said for Bishop Peter Libasci, bishop of Manchester, his Chancellor and other members of the Curia.

So the sanctions against the St. Benedict Center are unjust. They should be removed. -Lionel Andrades

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https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/the-decree-of-precepts-and-prohibitions.html

FEBRUARY 8, 2021

Michael Voris has not mentioned that Fr. Georges de Laire interprets Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus with a false premise. Since the CMTV Staff make the same error

 Michael Voris has not mentioned that Fr. Georges de Laire interprets Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus with a false premise. Since the CMTV Staff make the same error.Voris like Bishop Peter Libasci, the bishop of Manchester, USA does not want to affirm Feeneyite EENS. So CMTV continues to interpret Vatican Council II and EENS with the false premise. This pleases the Vatican, the USCB and the Left who also project unknown case of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance as objective exceptions to 16th century EENS.-Lionel Andrades

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FEBRUARY 9, 2021

Seven questions which Bishop Peter Libasci , Diane Quinlin, the Chancellor and the Rev. Georges de Laire, Judicial Vicar could answer and affirm. Their interpretation of Vatican Council II and EENS would be the same as that of the St. Benedict Center, NH.So they can end the prohibitions placed upon the religious community

All the religious communities in the Diocese of Manchester, USA could be asked these seven questions and they would agree with them. Even the LCWR Sisters would be in agreement with these seven questions as the two religious communities in Rome. Since they are common sense questions and indicate that Vatican Council II can be interpreted without a false premise and the conclusion supports exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church and the rest of Tradition.

Here are the seven questions which Bishop Peter Libasci the bishop of the diocese, Diane Quinlin, the Chancellor and the Rev. Georges de Laire, Judicial Vicar could also answer and affirm. Their interpretation of Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus woud be the same as that of the St. Benedict Center, NH.So they could end the prohibitions placed upon the religious community Slaves of the Immaculate Heart Mary at the St. Benedict Center.

SEVEN POINTS

 1. LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II always refer to hypothetical, speculative and theoretical cases.So they are not practical exceptions to the exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church. There is no objective rupture with the Athanasius Creed which says all need Catholic faith for salvation.

2. They agree that Jesus died for all, salvation is open for all in potential but to receive this salvation all need to enter the Church, with faith and baptism(AG 7). The Church is necessary ( Dominus Iesus 20, CDF, Notification on Fr.Jacques Dupuis sj 2000 etc).

3. They interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise, just like me. LG 14, LG 16 etc are only hypothetical. They are not objective cases in 2021.

4. The baptism of desire(BDD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance (I.I) refer to only hypothetical cases. If any one has received salvation with BOD, BOB and I.I only God can know.

5.The Church teaches in Vatican Council II( without the false premise) that everyone who dies in 2021, without faith and baptism, are oriented to Hell in general, in principle.

6. It is a lie and deception when someone uses the false premise to interpret the Nicene Creed, Vatican Council II. Catechisms, the dogma EENS and BOD, BOB and I.I.

7. Catholics need to interpret Vatican Council II rationally and not irrationally. There is a rational option.-Lionel Andrades

https://www.catholicnh.org/worship-and-sacraments/vocations/religious/

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https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/if-cdf-is-honest-sanctions-should-also.html

FEBRUARY 9, 2021

The Decree of Precepts and Prohibitions placed upon the St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire for affirming the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), with no known exceptions, could also be placed upon the other religious communities in the Diocese of Manchester, men and women, if they did not unethically use a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II and create fake exceptions for EENS

 The Decree of Precepts and Prohibitions placed upon the St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire for affirming the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), with no known exceptions, could also be placed upon the other religious communities in the Diocese of Manchester, men and women, if they did not unethically use a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II and create fake exceptions for EENS.

The Decree could also be applied to Fr.Georges de Laire, Judicial Vicar, of the diocese, who unethically interprets all Magisterial documents, including Vatican Council II, with a false premise and inference to create a rupture with the teaching on their being exclusive salvation  in the Catholic Church ( EENS, Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX etc).

Similarly the Secretaries of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Archbishops Giacomo Morandi and Augustine di Noia would also be affirming EENS according to the missionaries of the 16th century if they did not deceptively use the fake premise confusing what is invisible as being visible and then creating a New Theology based upon this error.The same could also be said for Bishop Peter Libasci, bishop of Manchester, his Chancellor and other members of the Curia.

So the sanctions against the St. Benedict Center are unjust. They should be removed. -Lionel Andrades

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https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/the-decree-of-precepts-and-prohibitions.html

FEBRUARY 8, 2021

Michael Voris has not mentioned that Fr. Georges de Laire interprets Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus with a false premise. Since the CMTV Staff make the same error

 Michael Voris has not mentioned that Fr. Georges de Laire interprets Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus with a false premise. Since the CMTV Staff make the same error.Voris like Bishop Peter Libasci, the bishop of Manchester, USA does not want to affirm Feeneyite EENS. So CMTV continues to interpret Vatican Council II and EENS with the false premise. This pleases the Vatican, the USCB and the Left who also project unknown case of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance as objective exceptions to 16th century EENS.-Lionel Andrades

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FEBRUARY 12, 2021

The Catholic News Agency(CNA) did not report that the Vatican would impose the Decree of Prohibitions upon any religious community in the Diocese of Manchester, which interprets Vatican Council II without the false premise and so affirms the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). This would apply also for the Benedictines, Dominicans, Franciscans and Carmelities

 The Catholic News Agency(CNA) did not report that the Vatican would impose the Decree of Prohibitions upon any religious community in the Diocese of Manchester, which interprets Vatican Council II without the false premise and so affirms the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). This would apply also for the Benedictines, Dominicans, Franciscans and Carmelities. - Lionel Andrades

FEBRUARY 12, 2021

The Catholic New Agency(CNA) report calumniates the St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire, when CNA interprets extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II with a false premise and expects the SBC to do the same. It's as if the SBC deserves to be punished with the Decree, for not being deceptive, like the diocese.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/the-catholic-new-agencycna-report.htm

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/the-catholic-news-agencycna-did-not.html

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FEBRUARY 12, 2021

Michael Voris' legal assistance could ask Bishop Peter Libasci, the bishop of Manchester, and Archbishops Giacomo Morandi and Augustine di Noia, Secretaries of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF), Vatican, to clarify that Vatican Council II when interpreted rationally supports the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). The Council is in harmony with the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and the Athanasius Creed

Michael Voris' legal assistance could ask Bishop Peter Libasci, the bishop of Manchester, and Archbishops Giacomo Morandi and Augustine di Noia, Secretaries of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF), Vatican, to clarify that Vatican Council II when interpreted rationally supports the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). The Council is in harmony with the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and the Athanasius Creed. 

Archbishop Giacomo Morandi and Augustine di Noia made an objective mistake on Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church (847-848) in their correspondence with Brother Andre Marie MICM, Prior, St. Benedict Center, NH. The correspondence with the error is posted on the website of the Diocese of Manchester. -Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/michael-voris-legal-assistance-could.html

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Michael Voris' legal assistance could ask Bishop Peter Libasci, the bishop of Manchester, and Archbishops Giacomo Morandi and Augustine di Noia, Secretaries of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF), Vatican, to clarify that Vatican Council II when interpreted rationally supports the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). The Council is in harmony with the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and the Athanasius Creed

Michael Voris' legal assistance could ask Bishop Peter Libasci, the bishop of Manchester, and Archbishops Giacomo Morandi and Augustine di Noia, Secretaries of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF), Vatican, to clarify that Vatican Council II when interpreted rationally supports the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). The Council is in harmony with the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and the Athanasius Creed. 

Archbishop Giacomo Morandi and Augustine di Noia made an objective mistake on Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church (847-848) in their correspondence with Brother Andre Marie MICM, Prior, St. Benedict Center, NH. The correspondence with the error is posted on the website of the Diocese of Manchester. -Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/michael-voris-legal-assistance-could.html

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A possibility of being saved outside the Catholic Church, is not a real person saved without faith and the baptism of water. So it is not an objective exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, a interpreted by the St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire

 A possibility of being saved outside the Catholic Church, is not a real person saved without faith and the baptism of water. So it is not an objective exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), a interpreted by the St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire.

When the Catechism of the Catholic Church states God is not limited to Sacraments, this is a hypothetical possibility and does not contradict the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( 1257) when it also states that the Church knows of no means to eternal beatitude other than the baptism of water.

When Lumen Gentium 14 refers to those who know about Jesus and the Church and do not enter are damned, this is a possibility known only to God. We cannot point out any any real cases in 1965-2021. So this possibility does not contradict Lumen Gentium 14 when it states all need faith and baptism for salvation.

Similarly when Ad Gentes 7 mentions those who could be saved in invincible ignorance through no fault of their own, this is a possibility known only to God. So it is not an objective exception to Ad Gentes 7 when it states all need faith and baptism for salvation.-Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/a-possibility-of-being-saved-outside.html

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 FEBRUARY 11, 2021

The Benedictines at St. Anselm College and Abbey in the Diocese of Manchester,USA hold the same interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) as the St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire. They have no objections or criticism of the Seven Points

The Benedictines at St. Anselm College and Abbey in the Diocese of Manchester,USA hold the same interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) as the St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire. They have no objections or criticism of the Seven Points.

In Rome, Fr. Stefano Visintin osb, the former Rector and Dean of Theology of the Benedictine Pontifical University of St. Anselm, has said that there are no objective  exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). The baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance are not exceptions.

None of the Benedictines at St. Anselms Abbey in the Diocese of Bishop Peter Libasci contradict Fr. Stefano Visintin, a scientist and theologian.

Among the Benedictine monks in New Hampshire there is no more a rupture with St. Benedict  and St. Anselm understanding of outside the Church there is no salvation. Vatican Council II does not contradict it, any more. -Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/the-benedictines-at-st-anselms-college.html

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FEBRUARY 11, 2021

The Order of Friars Minor (OFM) in the Diocese of Manchester, USA now affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), like St. Francis of Assisi and St. Bonaventure. They have no objections to the Seven Points. So they are open to interpreting Vatican Council II without the false premise

 The Order of Friars Minor (OFM) in the Diocese of Manchester, USA now affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), like St. Francis of Assisi and St. Bonaventure. They  have no objections to the Seven Points. So they are open to interpreting Vatican Council II without the false premise.

They do not reject Vatican Council II but simply interpret hypothetical cases as being only hypothetical. So hypothetical cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II do not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS according to the Franciscans before the 1930s.- Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/the-order-of-friars-minor-ofm-in.html

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FEBRUARY 11, 2021

Religious communities in Manchester have no objections to the Seven Points

 E-mails have been sent to the religious communities in the Diocese of Manchester, USA, so they know about the Seven Points. Even the Curia and members of various Ministries and a Vicar General, have been informed. They are expected to agree with the Seven Points and so interpret Vatican Council II without the common false premise and inference. So the Council will not be a break with Tradition and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as interpreted by the St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire.

No one is disputing the Seven Points among the following religious communities in the diocese - The Order of St. Benedict (O.S.B), St.Benedict's Abbey, the Order of Friars Minor - Franciscan Friars (O.F.M), The Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (F.S.S.P.), Redemptorist Fathers (C.Ss.R.)and among Women Religious, the Discalced Carmelites (O.C.D.), Sisters of the Presentation of Mary (p.m.) and the Dominican Sisters of Hope (O.P).

They would now know that the Council can be interpreted without the false premise and there is no more a theological basis for the New Theology, New Ecumenism, New Ecclesiology and New Evangelisation. 

This rational interpretation of Vatican Council II would be the norm in the diocese. So the Decree of Precepts and Prohibitions, upon the St.Benedict Center, NH, for holding the traditional strict interpretation of EENS, needs to be ended. EENS according to the St.Benedict Center, New Hampshire, has no practical exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II, for the religious communities in Manchester. -Lionel Andrades

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FEBRUARY 10, 2021

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Diocese of Manchester, interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with Feeneyite EENS. Since the false premise causes the rupture.It is not the Council per se : Their Decree would also apply to other religious communities in New Hampshire after they answer Seven Questions

The Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate and the Brazilian community Joseleitos di Cristo, both have been based in the Diocese of Porta Santa Rufina, Rome.The bishop is Gino Reali.

These two religious communities with whom I have communicated in writing, would agree with the following seven points. None of the two have raised objections even though they project themselves as being liberal.

 They would know how to interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. It's the only rational choice. It would be the same for the Men and Women Religious Communities in the Diocese of Manchester, USA.

The answer to these seven questions show that Vatican Council II ( without the false premise) can be interpreted in harmony with the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

The Council and the Catechism of the Catholic Church do not contradict the St. Benedict Center interpretation of EENS.

Presently the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Diocese of Manchester, interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with Feeneyite EENS. Since the false premise causes the rupture.It is not the Council per se.

So the Decree of Precepts Prohibitions is today meaningless.Since the  prohibitions, could also be  placed on the other religious communities in New Hampshire,after they answer the seven questions. The Decree could also be applied  to  The Order of St. Benedict (O.S.B), St.Benedict's Abbey, the Order of Friars Minor - Franciscan Friars (O.F.M), The Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (F.S.S.P.), Redemptorist Fathers (C.Ss.R.)and among Women Religious, the Discalced Carmelites (O.C.D.), Sisters of the Presentation of Mary (p.m.) and the Dominican Sisters of Hope (O.P).

 Their interpretation of Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus would be the same as that of the St. Benedict Center, NH.

SEVEN POINTS

 1. LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II always refer to hypothetical, speculative and theoretical cases.So they are not practical exceptions to the exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church. There is no objective rupture with the Athanasius Creed which says all need Catholic faith for salvation.

2. They agree that Jesus died for all, salvation is open for all in potential but to receive this salvation all need to enter the Church, with faith and baptism(AG 7). The Church is necessary ( Dominus Iesus 20, CDF, Notification on Fr.Jacques Dupuis sj 2000 etc).

3. They interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise, just like me. LG 14, LG 16 etc are only hypothetical. They are not objective cases in 2021.

4. The baptism of desire(BDD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance (I.I) refer to only hypothetical cases. If any one has received salvation with BOD, BOB and I.I only God can know.

5.The Church teaches in Vatican Council II( without the false premise) that everyone who dies in 2021, without faith and baptism, are oriented to Hell in general, in principle.

6. It is a lie and deception when someone uses the false premise to interpret the Nicene Creed, Vatican Council II. Catechisms, the dogma EENS and BOD, BOB and I.I.

7. Catholics need to interpret Vatican Council II rationally and not irrationally. There is a rational option.-Lionel Andrades

FEBRUARY 9, 2021

Seven questions which Bishop Peter Libasci , Diane Quinlin, the Chancellor and the Rev. Georges de Laire, Judicial Vicar could answer and affirm. Their interpretation of Vatican Council II and EENS would be the same as that of the St. Benedict Center, NH.So they can end the prohibitions placed upon the religious community

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/seven-questions-which-bishop-peter.html

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/the-congregation-for-doctrine-of-faith.html

FEBRUARY 9, 2021

Seven questions which Bishop Peter Libasci , Diane Quinlin, the Chancellor and the Rev. Georges de Laire, Judicial Vicar could answer and affirm. Their interpretation of Vatican Council II and EENS woud be the same as that of the St. Benedict Center, NH.So they can end the prohibitions placed upon the religious community

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/seven-questions-which-bishop-peter.html

FEBRUARY 9, 2021

The Decree of Precepts and Prohibitions placed upon the St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire for affirming the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), with no known exceptions, could also be placed upon the other religious communities in the Diocese of Manchester, men and women, if they did not unethically use a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II and create fake exceptions for EENS

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/the-decree-of-precepts-and-prohibitions.html

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FEBRUARY 12, 2021

Fr.Georges de Laire, the Judicial Vicar, Diocese of Manchester and Simcha Fischer and her husband are not telling the media that Vatican Council II interpreted without the false premise supports the traditional strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), and all the religious communities in New Hampshire ( Franciscans, Carmelities etc) can affirm it. It is not an error of the St. Benedict Center, NH

 Fr.Georges de Laire, the Judicial Vicar, Diocese of Manchester and Simcha Fischer and her husband are not telling the media that Vatican Council II interpreted without the false premise supports the traditional strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), and all the religious communities in New Hampshire ( Franciscans, Carmelities etc) can affirm it. It is not an error of the St. Benedict Center, NH. -Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/frgeorges-de-laire-judicial-vicar.html

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FEBRUARY 11, 2021

Bishop Peter Libasci and his Judicial Vicar and Chancellor, do not deny that they use a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and also the Creeds and Catechisms

 Bishop Peter Libasci and his Judicial Vicar  and Chancellor,  do not deny that they use a false premise  to interpret Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and also the Creeds and Catechisms.

So canonically the St. Benedict Center members need to press on until an apology or clarification is issued by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF) and the Diocese of Manchester.

Also all the priests of the diocese are promoting the fake interpretation of Vatican Council II, EENS, the Catechisms and Creeds at Holy Mass in Latin and English.

The ecclesiology of the Latin Mass and the Novus Ordo Mass  is not ecclesiocentric and neither is the Catechesis based on their being exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. - Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/bishop-peter-libasci-and-his-judicial.html

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FEBRUARY 11, 2021

Canonically SBC can ask why other religious communities in Manchester are granted canonical recognition when they are open to interpreting Vatican Council II rationally and in harmony with SBC EENS

 The 14 members of the St.Benedict Center who reportedly placed canonical petitions with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF) can now ask why are the other religious communities in the diocese granted canonical recognition when they interpret Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) with a fake premise.They have no restrictions and prohibitions placed upon them.When they answer the Seven Points they interpret EENS and Vatican Council II rationally traditionally and without deception.

They can ask why are the other religious communities granted canonical recognition when they agree with the Seven Points and can interpret Vatican Council II rationally.So they do not contradict EENS. Similarly the SBC can also interpret Vatican Council II rationally which does not contradict traditional EENS.-Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/canonically-sbc-can-ask-why-other.html

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FEBRUARY 11, 2021

Benedictines, Franciscans, Carmelites and Dominicans in Manchester, are in harmony with the strict interpretation of EENS, of the St. Benedict Center, NH

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/benedictines-franciscans-carmelites-and.html

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 FEBRUARY 11, 2021

For Fr. Georges de Laire outside the Church there is salvation and there are not only Catholics in Heaven.For Brother Andre Marie MICM,outside the Church there is no salvation and so there are only Catholics in Heaven. He too cannot see people in Heaven but he is following the dogma EENS which is the norm for salvation for us Catholic

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/fr-georges-de-lairejudicial-vicar-of.html

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