Simon Rafe
interprets the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance irrationally.
In this way he produces alleged exceptions for the Fourth Lateran Council
(1215). So he rejects the original dogma outside the Church there is no
salvation, which did not mention any exceptions. This is political and unethical.
He considers this being a Catholic. He is really avoiding the Anti Semitic
charge, when he chooses to interpret Vatican Council II irrationally instead of
rationally. He is denying being a Catholic to remain at CMTV. He is a false
Catholic on doctrine and faith, like the crew at CMTV.They avoid the hardline on Vatican Council II.- Lionel Andrades
Wednesday, April 19, 2023
Simon Rafe interprets the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance irrationally. In this way he produces alleged exceptions for the Fourth Lateran Council (1215). So he rejects the original dogma outside the Church there is no salvation, which did not mention any exceptions. This is political and unethical. He considers this being a Catholic. He is really avoiding the Anti Semitic charge, when he chooses to interpret Vatican Council II irrationally instead of rationally. He is denying being a Catholic to remain at CMTV. He is a false Catholic on doctrine and faith, like the crew at CMTV.
The Diocese of Manchester in New Hampshire, USA agree with me
Meredith Cook, Chancellor, Diocese of
Manchester in New Hampshire, USA, agrees with me on these
three points mentioned in gold, on these three pages.
I have been sending the Curia material over
the last few years and there has been no objection or correction.
Also this a common sense issue. They,
the bishop and Curia, agree that LG 8,
LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically
invisible cases always. This is a given.
They also acknowledge the teachings on
there being exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church mentioned in Vatican Council II,
the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the Church Councils.
There have been no objections from Fr.
Georges de Laire, the Judicial Vicar.The three points are:-
1. Outside the Church there
is no salvation is the teaching of the Bible, the Church Councils, Vatican Council II and
the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
2. Hypothetical cases of LG
8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are not objective exceptions in
1965-2023 for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).
3. The Church still teaches
that there is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church. This is taught
through the Bible, Vatican Council II, the Catechisms, the Creeds, Councils etc.
-Lionel Andrades
1. OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION
JOHN 3:5, MARK 16:16.
VATICAN COUNCIL II (Ad Gentes 7/ Lumen Gentes 14).
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 846
CATECHISM OF TRENT, CATECHISM OF POPE PIUS X
FOURTH LATERAN COUNCIL (1215), COUNCIL OF FLORENCE
(1442).
THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE (BOD), BAPTISM OF BLOOD(BOB) AND
BEING SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE (I.I) ARE ALWAYS HYPOTHETICAL AND
PHYSICALLY INVISIBLE CASES. SO THEY DO NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA
ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS (EENS).THE BOD, BOB AND I.I ARE NOT KNOWN
PEOPLE IN PERSONAL CASES. THERE ARE NO PHYSICALLY VISIBLE CASES OF BEING SAVED
IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE.SO THEY ARE NOT OBJECTIVE EXCEPTIONS FOR THE DOGMA EENS
IN 1965-2023.AD GENTES 7 AND LUMEN
GENTIUM 14 SUPPORT THE DOGMA EENS .LG 8,14, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 ETC ARE NOT
PRACTICAL EXCEPTIONS FOR AG 7/ LG 14 AND THE DOGMA EENS. THE COUNCIL HAS
THE HERMENEUTIC OF CONTINUITY WITH THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS, THE ATHANASIUS CREED
AND THE CATECHISM OF POPE PIUS X ( 24Q,27Q).
2. INVISIBLE CASES
THESE ARE REFERENCES TO INVISIBE CASES IN 2023. THEY
ARE NOT VISIBLE EXAMPLES OF SALVATION OUTSIDE THE
CHURCH. THEY ARE NOT OBJECTIVE EXCEPTIONS FOR THE DOGMA
EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS, THE ATHANASIUS CREED AND THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS OF
POPE PIUS IX.
This Church constituted and organized in the world as a society,
subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter
and by the Bishops in communion with him,(13*) although many elements
of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure. These
elements, as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ, are forces impelling
toward catholic unity.- Lumen Gentium 8, Vatican Council II
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit
intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined
with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them
as her own. - Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II
But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the
Creator… Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of
their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek
God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to
them through the dictates of conscience.- Lumen
Gentium 16, Vatican Council II.
Moreover, some and even very many of the significant elements
and endowments which together go to build up and give life to the Church
itself, can exist outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church:
the written word of God; the life of grace; faith…
… These liturgical actions must be regarded as capable of giving
access to the community of salvation. –
Unitatis Redintigratio 3 Vatican Council II
The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these
religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and
of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects
from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that
Truth which enlightens all men. – Nostra
Aetate 2, Vatican Council II.
All this holds true not only for Christians, but for all men of good will in whose hearts grace works in an unseen way. For, since Christ died for all men, and since the ultimate vocation of man is in fact one, and divine, we ought to believe that the Holy Spirit in a manner known only to God offers to every man the possibility of being associated with this paschal mystery.- Gaudium et Specs 22, Vatican Council II
3. EXCLUSIVE SALVATION IN THE CATHOLIC
CHURCH TODAY
14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn
its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred
Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as
an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which
is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit
terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism124 and thereby
affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a
door men enter the Church…- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II
Therefore, all must be converted to Him,
made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by
baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by
stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark
16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into
which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 845-846
845 To reunite all his children, scattered and
led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together
into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover
its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world reconciled." She is
that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of
the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world." According to another
image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone
saves from the flood.- Catechism of the
Catholic Church
846 …Basing
itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a
pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the
mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the
Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and
thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter
through Baptism as through a door…
Fourth Lateran Council (1215): "There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is
saved."
_____________________________________
APRIL 19, 2023
CDF agrees with me
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/04/cdf-agrees-with-me.html
APRIL 19, 2023
Oblates of St. Joseph, General Curia, Rome agree with me on these three points
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/04/oblates-of-st-joseph-general-curia-rome.html
Oblates of St. Joseph, General Curia, Rome agree with me on these three points
The Oblates
of St. Joseph, General Curia, Rome agree with me on these
three points mentioned in gold, on these three pages. Fr.Jan Pelczarski and Fr. Francesco
Russo is the Secretary General of the General Curia.
Fr. Bernardo
Pinheiro osj is the Parish Priest and Fr. Alberto Ravera osj, Fr.Silvano
Fracasso osj are the assistant parish priests at the church San Giuseppe All
Aurelio, Rome.I have been sending them material over the last few years
including these following three pages.- Lionel Andrades
1.
OUTSIDE THE
CHURCH THERE
IS NO SALVATION
JOHN 3:5, MARK 16:16.
VATICAN COUNCIL II (Ad Gentes 7/ Lumen Gentes 14).
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 846
CATECHISM OF TRENT, CATECHISM OF POPE PIUS X
FOURTH LATERAN COUNCIL (1215), COUNCIL OF FLORENCE
(1442).
THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE (BOD), BAPTISM OF BLOOD(BOB) AND
BEING SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE (I.I) ARE ALWAYS HYPOTHETICAL AND
PHYSICALLY INVISIBLE CASES. SO THEY DO NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA
ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS (EENS).THE BOD, BOB AND I.I ARE NOT KNOWN
PEOPLE IN PERSONAL CASES. THERE ARE NO PHYSICALLY VISIBLE CASES OF BEING SAVED
IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE.SO THEY ARE NOT OBJECTIVE EXCEPTIONS FOR THE DOGMA EENS
IN 1965-2023.AD GENTES 7 AND LUMEN
GENTIUM 14 SUPPORT THE DOGMA EENS .LG 8,14, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 ETC ARE NOT
PRACTICAL EXCEPTIONS FOR AG 7/ LG 14 AND THE DOGMA EENS. THE COUNCIL HAS
THE HERMENEUTIC OF CONTINUITY WITH THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS, THE ATHANASIUS CREED
AND THE CATECHISM OF POPE PIUS X ( 24Q,27Q).
2. INVISIBLE CASES
THESE ARE REFERENCES TO INVISIBE CASES IN 2023. THEY
ARE NOT VISIBLE EXAMPLES OF SALVATION OUTSIDE THE
CHURCH. THEY ARE NOT OBJECTIVE EXCEPTIONS FOR THE DOGMA
EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS, THE ATHANASIUS CREED AND THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS OF
POPE PIUS IX.
This Church constituted and organized in the world as a society,
subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter
and by the Bishops in communion with him,(13*) although many elements
of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure. These
elements, as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ, are forces impelling
toward catholic unity.- Lumen Gentium 8, Vatican Council II
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit
intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined
with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them
as her own. - Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II
But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the
Creator… Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of
their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek
God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to
them through the dictates of conscience.- Lumen
Gentium 16, Vatican Council II.
Moreover, some and even very many of the significant elements
and endowments which together go to build up and give life to the Church
itself, can exist outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church:
the written word of God; the life of grace; faith…
… These liturgical actions must be regarded as capable of giving
access to the community of salvation. –
Unitatis Redintigratio 3 Vatican Council II
The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these
religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and
of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects
from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that
Truth which enlightens all men. – Nostra
Aetate 2, Vatican Council II.
All this holds true not only for Christians, but for all men of good
will in whose hearts grace works in an unseen way. For,
since Christ died for all men, and since the ultimate vocation of man is in
fact one, and divine, we ought to believe that the Holy Spirit in a manner
known only to God offers to every man the possibility of being associated with
this paschal mystery.- Gaudium et Specs 22, Vatican Council
II
3. EXCLUSIVE SALVATION IN THE CATHOLIC
CHURCH TODAY
14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn
its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred
Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as
an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which
is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit
terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism124 and thereby
affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a
door men enter the Church…- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II
Therefore, all must be converted to Him,
made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by
baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by
stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark
16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into
which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 845-846
845 To reunite all his children, scattered and
led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together
into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover
its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world reconciled." She is
that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of
the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world." According to another
image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone
saves from the flood.- Catechism of the
Catholic Church
846 …Basing
itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a
pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the
mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the
Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and
thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter
through Baptism as through a door…
Fourth Lateran Council (1215): "There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is
saved."
CDF agrees with me
Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj, Prefect,
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican, and Archbishop Augustine
di Noia, Secretary, CDF, recognize their past mistakes. They would agree with
me on these three pages marked in golden (1, 2, and 3).
It is an issue of common sense.
It would be obvious even for those who are not Christian.
1. Outside the Church
there is no salvation is the teaching of the Church Councils, Vatican Council
II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
2. Hypothetical cases of
LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are not objective exceptions in
1965-2023 for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).
3. The Church still
teaches that there is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church. This is
taught through the Bible, Vatican Council II, the Catechisms, the Creeds, Councils etc. - Lionel Andrades
1.
OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE
IS NO SALVATION
JOHN 3:5, MARK 16:16.
VATICAN COUNCIL II (Ad Gentes 7/ Lumen Gentes 14).
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 846
CATECHISM OF TRENT, CATECHISM OF POPE PIUS X
FOURTH LATERAN COUNCIL (1215), COUNCIL OF FLORENCE (1442).
THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE (BOD), BAPTISM OF BLOOD(BOB) AND BEING SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE (I.I) ARE ALWAYS HYPOTHETICAL AND PHYSICALLY INVISIBLE CASES. SO THEY DO NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS (EENS).THE BOD, BOB AND I.I ARE NOT KNOWN PEOPLE IN PERSONAL CASES. THERE ARE NO PHYSICALLY VISIBLE CASES OF BEING SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE.SO THEY ARE NOT OBJECTIVE EXCEPTIONS FOR THE DOGMA EENS IN 1965-2023.AD GENTES 7 AND LUMEN GENTIUM 14 SUPPORT THE DOGMA EENS .LG 8,14, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 ETC ARE NOT PRACTICAL EXCEPTIONS FOR AG 7/ LG 14 AND THE DOGMA EENS. THE COUNCIL HAS THE HERMENEUTIC OF CONTINUITY WITH THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS, THE ATHANASIUS CREED AND THE CATECHISM OF POPE PIUS X ( 24Q,27Q).
2. INVISIBLE CASES
THESE ARE REFERENCES TO INVISIBE CASES IN 2023. THEY ARE NOT VISIBLE EXAMPLES OF SALVATION OUTSIDE THE CHURCH. THEY ARE NOT OBJECTIVE EXCEPTIONS FOR THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS, THE ATHANASIUS CREED AND THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS OF POPE PIUS IX.
This Church constituted and organized in the world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him,(13*) although many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure. These elements, as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ, are forces impelling toward catholic unity.- Lumen Gentium 8, Vatican Council II
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own. - Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II
But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator… Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.- Lumen Gentium 16, Vatican Council II.
Moreover, some and even very many of the significant elements and endowments which together go to build up and give life to the Church itself, can exist outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church: the written word of God; the life of grace; faith…
… These liturgical actions must be regarded as capable of giving access to the community of salvation. – Unitatis Redintigratio 3 Vatican Council II
The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men. – Nostra Aetate 2, Vatican Council II.
All this holds true not only for Christians, but for all men of good will in whose hearts grace works in an unseen way. For, since Christ died for all men, and since the ultimate vocation of man is in fact one, and divine, we ought to believe that the Holy Spirit in a manner known only to God offers to every man the possibility of being associated with this paschal mystery.- Gaudium et Specs 22, Vatican Council II
3. EXCLUSIVE SALVATION IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TODAY
14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism124 and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church…- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 845-846
845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world reconciled." She is that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world." According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.- Catechism of the Catholic Church
846 …Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door…
Fourth Lateran Council (1215): "There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved."
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