SSPX has been misleading Catholics

Who would have thought that the SSPX members, so sure of themselves, on following Tradition, would make a mistake on Catholic theology and so change traditional doctrine on salvation, I mentioned in a previous blog post.Every one was responding to the false interpretation of everyone else.The ecclesiastics at the Vatican did not issue any correction.

Even the St.Benedict Centers, the communities of Fr. Leonard Feeney, were wrongly following the SSPX and so they rejected the Council.

Now Brother Andre Marie,MICM,in his doctrinal correspondence with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) has seen Vatican Council II as an ally.1 He has quoted the Council (AG 7) to support traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).He has mentioned that invisible cases, for us human beings, like being saved in invincible ignorance(LG 16), are known only to God.So he understands that LG 16, LG 8 etc refer to invisible people in 2016-2019. So they are not exceptions to EENS for him.

The poor Secretaries of the CDF, wrote back to Brother Andre Marie insisting that he must accept being saved in invincible ignorance(LG 16) etc as being an exception to Feeneyite EENS.

The SSPX has been doing just this all along.So Vatican Council II became a rupture with EENS and Tradition.

The Vatican Council II which the traditionalists and conservatives criticize is the one with hypothetical and invisible cases being confused as being personally known. This is what Brother Andre Marie was trying to get through to Archbishops Morandi and Di Noia.

Vatican Council II with hypothetical and invisible people being mistaken as exceptions to EENS I call Vatican Council II ( Cushingite).The Council with hypothetical cases just being hypothetical and so not being objective exceptions to EENS, I call Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite).

The traditionalists are really against Vatican Council II ( Cushingite). The CDF wants them to accept Vatican Council II ( Cushingite).

Brother Andre Marie was interpreting Vatican Council II with Feeneyism. Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) is not a rupture with EENS ( Feeneyite). He know this.

The SSPX interprets Vatican Council II with Cushingism and this was a huge mistake.The New Theology is based on Cushingism.We have discovered the missing link.

The SSPX must acknowledge it.

Then Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) will no more be an issue for them. They can ask the CDF to affirm Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite). Rome must come back to the Faith with Feeneyism.

But how can the Vatican politically affirm EENS and Vatican Council II with Feeneyism?

The CDF and the Diocese of Manchester, USA have not understood this or do not want to understand it.They have an agenda to follow at any cost.Doctrine is no more important.

It is unfortunate that the SSPX too does not proclaim the Catholic Faith any more.

Like the Catholic Bishops Conferences, the SSPX does not affirm Vatican Council II, Feeneyite but only knows of Vatican Council II, Cushingite which is heretical.

They do not affirm the Catechism of the Catholic Church with Feeneyism, but interpret all the Catechisms with irrational Cushingism.

They all,liberals and traditionalists, theologically, do not affirm an ecumenism of return since they reject EENS ( Feeneyite), Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite),Catechisms( Feeneyite)....They do not affirm the past ecclesiology and accept the New Ecclesiology based on hypothetical cases of the baptism of desire, invincible ignorance etc being  objective examples of non Catholics salved outside the Church in the present times.

With an irrational premise and inference there has to be a non traditional conclusion.Then SSPX places the fault on Vatican Council II while the liberal Bishops' Conference praise the Council.

-Lionel Andrades

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https://catholicism.org/letter-explaining-saint-benedict-centers-doctrinal-stance.html

Everybody was repeating everyone else's false interpretation of Vatican Council II (Grafics)

MARCH 3, 2019

Who would have thought that the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) which was so sure of itself on tradition, would fall and fail on Catholic doctrine and theology

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/03/who-would-have-thought-that-society-of.html

Who would have thought that the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) which was so sure of itself on tradition,  would fall and fail on Catholic doctrine and theology. They obviously were  not following Catholic tradition on faith, salvation, ecclesiology, Creeds, mission etc.They would go back to Tradition and affirm traditional teachings but would negate it with the New Theology.

It was there before their eyes but they did not see it.Everybody was repeating everyone else's false interpretation of Vatican Council II.Vatican Council II supported the Church's old understanding on it having an exclusiveness and superiority in salvation but the SSPX did not know. Since they interpreted the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance as an exception to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).


 They also interpreted LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2,GS 22 etc as a rupture with the dogma EENS since they mistook hypothetical cases as being known non Catholics saved outside the Church in the present times. Invisible people were made visible examples of salvation outside the Church. So the Church, theologically, no more had exclusive salvation,even though they would say outside the Church there is no salvation.
-Lionel Andrades

Il Concilio Vaticano II è dogmatico e non solo pastorale: il frate francescano non ci crede

Stavo parlando con un Frate Francescano l'altro giorno e mi stava dicendo che il Concilio Vaticano II non era un Concilio  dogmatico ma solo pastorale, dal momento che non annunciava nessun nuovo dogma. Nota bene: questo detto è un  liberale. Ha ancora un anno di teologia da completare presso Pontificio Universita Anthonianum a Roma. Sta ripetendo la stessa linea dei tradizionalisti, dei sedevacantisti e della Società di San Pio X (SSPX).

 Così ho fatto riferimento alla Lumen Gentium, la Costituzione dogmatica sulla Chiesa. Per me il Concilio Vaticano II ha sostenuto la tradizionale  interpretazione del dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). Quindi, in questo senso, era dogmatico. Stava affermando la vecchia ecclesiologia esclusivista, un ecumenismo di ritorno e il Sillabo degli errori di Papa Pio IX. Come il Catechismo di Papa Pio X, stava dicendo che tutti i membri della Chiesa Cattolica devono essere salvati. Ci sono solo Cattolici in Paradiso.

Non mi ha creduto.

Gli dissi che stavamo guardando lo stesso testo nel Concilio Vaticano II e stavamo interpretandolo in modo diverso.

14. Il santo Concilio si rivolge quindi prima di tutto ai fedeli cattolici. Esso, basandosi sulla sacra Scrittura e sulla tradizione, insegna che questa Chiesa peregrinante è necessaria alla salvezza. Solo il Cristo, infatti, presente in mezzo a noi nel suo corpo che è la Chiesa, è il mediatore e la via della salvezza; ora egli stesso, inculcando espressamente la necessità della fede e del battesimo (cfr. Gv 3,5), ha nello stesso tempo confermato la necessità della Chiesa, nella quale gli uomini entrano per il battesimo come per una porta.-Lumen Gentium 14, Concilio Vaticano II

Quindi Lumen Gentium, come Ad Gentes 7 sostiene la tradizionale interpretazione del dogma al di fuori della Chiesa, non c'è salvezza come era noto ai missionari e al Magistero, ad esempio, nel XVI secolo. In questo senso il Concilio Vaticano II è dogmatico.

Su questo insegnamento dogmatico possono esserci vari approcci pastorali.

La differenza tra me e il frate era che ci è stato insegnato a interpretare il rosso come un'eccezione al blu 1, avrebbe interpretato ipotetici passaggi rossi in Lumen Gentium, riferendosi a non ipotetici, obiettivi e noti non cattolici salvati fuori dalla Chiesa , nei tempi presenti. Quindi c'è stata una rottura con i passaggi blu ortodossi e il dogma EENS.

LUMEN GENTIUM 14, CONCILIO VATICANO II

14. Il santo Concilio si rivolge quindi prima di tutto ai fedeli cattolici. Esso, basandosi sulla sacra Scrittura e sulla tradizione, insegna che questa Chiesa peregrinante è necessaria alla salvezza. Solo il Cristo, infatti, presente in mezzo a noi nel suo corpo che è la Chiesa, è il mediatore e la via della salvezza; ora egli stesso, inculcando espressamente la necessità della fede e del battesimo (cfr. Gv 3,5), ha nello stesso tempo confermato la necessità della Chiesa, nella quale gli uomini entrano per il battesimo come per una porta.Perciò non possono salvarsi quegli uomini, i quali, pur non ignorando che la Chiesa cattolica è stata fondata da Dio per mezzo di Gesù Cristo come necessaria, non vorranno entrare in essa o in essa perseverare. Sono pienamente incorporati nella società della Chiesa quelli che, avendo lo Spirito di Cristo, accettano integralmente la sua organizzazione e tutti i mezzi di salvezza in essa istituiti, e che inoltre, grazie ai legami costituiti dalla professione di fede, dai sacramenti, dal governo ecclesiastico e dalla comunione, sono uniti, nell'assemblea visibile della Chiesa, con il Cristo che la dirige mediante il sommo Pontefice e i vescovi...

I catecumeni che per impulso dello Spirito Santo desiderano ed espressamente vogliono essere incorporati alla Chiesa, vengono ad essa congiunti da questo stesso desiderio, e la madre Chiesa li avvolge come già suoi con il proprio amore e con le proprie cure.- Lumen Gentium 14, Concilio Vaticano II

Quindi il Concilio Vaticano II non è solo un Concilio pastorale ma è dogmatico. Sta dicendo che al di fuori della Chiesa Cattolic non esiste alcuna salvezza conosciuta. Sta dicendo che può esserci solo un ecumenismo del ritorno poiché non vi sono eccezioni al dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus menzionato in Unitatis Redintigratio 3, Decreto sull'Ecumenismo.

Sta anche dicendo che non può esserci che la passata ecclesiologia del passato della Chiesa Cattolica  nel 2019, poiché LG 8, LG 16, NA 2, GS 22 ecc.non sono eccezioni oggettive dell'insegnamento su tutti coloro che hanno bisogno di essere membri del Chiesa Cattolica per evitare l'inferno. Tutti - e non quelli che sanno o non sanno di Gesù e della Chiesa. Anche noi umani non possiamo sapere chi sarà salvato o non salvato nell'ignoranza invincibile e chi lo sa o non lo sa, e sarà salvato.

Quindi non ci sono eccezioni a Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus  menzionate in Lumen Gentium o Ad Gentes- nessuna in tutto il testo.

-Lionel Andrades

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MARCH 11, 2019

Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not just pastoral : Franciscan Friar does not believe it  https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/03/vatican-council-ii-is-dogmatic-and-not.html

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FEBRUARY 4, 2019

Nei documenti magistrali il rosso non è un'eccezione al blu, il rosso non contraddice il blu: con il blu c'è un'ermeneutica di continuità con la Tradizione (extra ecclesium nulla salus del 16 ° secolo , Sillabo degli Errori di Pio IX, ecumenismo del ritorno, esclusivista ecclesiologia ecc. )  

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/nei-documenti-magistrali-il-rosso-non-e.html

  

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Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not just pastoral : Franciscan Friar does not believe it

I was talking to a Franciscan Friar the other day and he was telling me that Vatican Council II was not a dogmatic but pastoral Council,since it did not announce any new dogma. Note well: this is a liberal saying this. He has one more year of theology left to complete at the Anthonianum.He is repeating the same line as the traditionalists, sedevacantists and the Society of St. Pius X(SSPX).
 

So I referred to Lumen Gentium, the Dogmatic Constitution on the Church.For me Vatican Council II supported the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).So in this sense, it was dogmatic. It was affirming the old exclusivist ecclesiology, an ecunenism of return and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX. Like the Catechism of Pope Pius X it was saying all need to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation.There are only Catholics in Heaven.

He did not believe me.

I told him that we were looking at the same text in Vatican Council II and were interpreting it differently.

 This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. -Lumen Gentium 14

So Lumen Gentium, like Ad Gentes 7 supports the traditional interpretation of the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation as it was known to the missionaries and Magisterium, for example, in the 16th century. In this sense Vatican Council II is dogmatic.

Upon this dogmatic teaching there can be various pastoral approaches. 

The difference between me and the Friar was that we was taught to interpret the red as an exception to the blue 1, he would interpret hypothetical red passages in Lumen Gentium, as referring to non hypothetical, objective and personally known non Catholics saved outside the Church, in the present times. So there was a rupture with the orthodox blue passages and the dogma EENS.

Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.
They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion. He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but, as it were, only in a "bodily" manner and not "in his heart."(12*) All the Church's children should remember that their exalted status is to be attributed not to their own merits but to the special grace of Christ. If they fail moreover to respond to that grace in thought, word and deed, not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged.(13*)
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

So Vatican Council II is not just a pastoral Council, it is dogmatic. It is saying outside the Church there is no known salvation. It is saying that there can only be an ecumenism of return since there are no  exceptions to the dogma EENS mentioned in Unitatis Redintigratio 3, Decree on Ecumenism.

It is also saying that there can only be the past exclusive ecclesiology of the Catholic Church today, in 2019, since LG 8, LG 16, NA 2, GS 22 etc are not objective exceptions to the teaching on all needing to be members of the Catholic Church to avoid Hell. All - and not those who know or do not know about Jesus and the Church.Also we humans cannot know who will be saved or not saved in invincible ignorance and who knows or does not know, and will be saved.

So there are no exceptions to Feeneyite EENS mentioned in Lumen Gentium or Ad Gentes-none in the entire text.

-Lionel Andrades

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 JANUARY 28, 2019

In Magisterial documents the red is not an exception to the blue, the red does not contradict the blue : with the blue there is a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition (16th- century extra ecclesium nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors, ecumenism of return, past exclusivist ecclesiology etc)

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/in-magisterial-documents-red-is-not.html

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JANUARY 28, 2019

So finally I should have a list of magisterial documents with the blue passages affirming Sacred Tradition and the red passages no more being seen as exceptions

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/so-finally-i-should-have-list-of.html

JANUARY 28, 2019

In Dominus Iesus the red is not an exception to the blue, the red does not contradict the blue : there is a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition ( EENS, Syllabus of Errors, ecumenism of return, past exlcusivist ecclesiology etc) 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/in-dominus-iesus-red-is-not-exception.html

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