Tuesday, August 1, 2023

How can there be a pope who chooses to interpret Vatican Council II irrationally in public and expects all the cardinals, bishops and priests to do the same?

 

How can there be a pope who chooses to interpret Vatican Council II irrationally in public and expects all the cardinals, bishops and priests to do the same? How can he qualify to be a pope ? He must set an example for all. He must interpret all Church Documents rationally.

I accept Pope Francis as the pope but he must affirm LG 8,14, 15,16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II as referring to only hypothetical cases. So they are not practical exceptions  for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215).They do not contradict the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( 24Q,27Q).

Pope Francis is changing the interpretation of the dogma EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Nicene and Apostles Creed.He does this by confusing what is invisible as being visible. This is a mortal sin of faith. He must end the scandal with a public announcement  and receive absolution in the Sacrament of Confession.

There are four important points to note which I have mentioned in a previous blog post. They are:-

1. If LG 8,14,15,16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II are seen as hypothetical cases always then they are not practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), the Athanasius Creed, the Catechisms of Trent and Pius X and the rest of Tradition. Invisible cases of LG 8,14,15,16 etc cannot be visible exceptions for  EENS. 

2. If LG 8,14, 15,16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to hypothetical and invisible cases then the Nicene Creed does not change when it states , ‘I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins’. It is a reference to the baptism of water.

But if LG 8,14, 15,16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to physically visible and objective examples of salvation outside the Church in 1965-2023, then Vatican Council II (irrationalis a rupture with the Nicene Creed. There are objective cases of LG 8,14,15,16 etc., which are a rupture with the Nicene Creed. Since the Creed will now mean, “ I believe in three or more baptisms ( desire, blood, invincible ignorance etc) which are physically visible and exclude the baptism of desire and so contradict Feeneyite EENS'or, EENS according to the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) and the Council of Florence (1442)’.

INTERPRETATION OF CATECHISMS CHANGE

In the same way the interpretation of Vatican Council II, irrational, changes the understanding of the Apostles Creed, the Athanasius Creed, the dogma EENS, the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24 Q, 27Q and 29 Q) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( 845,846,1257, 847,848 etc). The Catechisms can be interpreted with Feeneyism (invisible people are invisible) or Cushingism (invisible people are visible).

WE CAN CHOOSE THE HERMENEUTIC OF CONTINUITY WITH TRADITION

3. We now know how to create the hermeneutic of continuity or rupture with Tradition. We choose from either of them.

THERE CAN BE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF MAGISTERIAL DOCUMENTS

4. There can be two interpretations of Magisterial Documents. They can be interpreted rationally or irrationally. The popes,cardinals and bishops choose the irrational version. So there is the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition. I choose the rational option. So there is the hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition.

So for me Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).  

This is EENS as held by Brother Andre Marie micm, Superior of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire  and Brother Peter Dimond, apologist at the Most Holy Family Monastery, New York. The pope, cardinals and bishops cannot say the same.Also for Brother Peter Dimond the Council is a break with Tradition ( EENS etc). 

THIS IS A DISCOVERY. 

So this is a discovery before the Synod in October where all the participants will interpret Vatican Council II and the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms irrationally and so dishonestly. It will be the same at the ordination of the 21 new cardinals in September.There will 18 of these 21 cardinals who will be allowed to elect a pope. These 18 cardinals like Pope Francis:-

1. Interpret LG 8,14,15,16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc irrationally and not rationally.

2. They also re-interpret the Creeds, Councils, dogma EENS, the baptism of desire and beings saved in invincible ignorance and the Catechisms, irrationally and not rationally.They re-interpret Magisterial Documents irrationally.

3. They choose the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition.

This is first class heresy according to the heirarchy of truths of Pope John Paul II ( Ad Tuendem Fidem).They do not have a right to offer Holy Mass. This is a scandal. 

According to Canon Law they are juridical persons and so have to affirm the Catholic faith in public to remain in office.   -Lionel Andrades


This can be see clearly in four models models.

1. Two Columns.

2. The Red is not an exception for the blue.

3. Feeneyism and Cushingism.

4. Irrational and Rational premise.


Two Columns




https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/07/repost-pope-francis-changes-doctrine.html


The Red is not an exception for the Blue





Feeneyism and Cushingism

FEBRUARY 19, 2018

I am referring to Feeneyism and Cushingism as explained on my blog.The fault does not lie with Vatican Council II in itself. It depends upon how you interpret the Council, whether you use Cushingism or Feeneyism. Cushingism results in the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition.

I am referring to Feeneyism and Cushingism as explained on my blog.
I am not referring to Fr. Leonard Feeney and Cardinal Cushing in particular.
I use their names since it has meaning for me. However any other name could have been used.
Feeneyism refers to accepting hypothetical cases as just being hypothetical. Invisible people are simply called invisible.
Cushingism refers to hypothetical cases being concrete and known people in the present times.
So with Feeneyism BOD, BOB and I.I are hypothetical cases only. So they cannot be exceptions to EENS.
With Cushingism BOD,BOB and I.I are not hypothetical and are assumed to be visible people saved outside the Church
and so they become exceptions to EENS.
Similarly with Feeneyism LG 16, LG 14, UR 3, NA 2 ,GS 22 refer to hypothetical cases, invisble people in 2018. So there is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict EENS.
With Cushingism LG 16, LG 14, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 refer to real people saved outside the Church and so Vatican Council II is a rupture with the dogma EENS.
So the fault does not lie with Vatican Council II in itself. It depends upon how you interpret the Council, whether you use Cushingism orFeeneyism.
Cushingism results in the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition.
The liberals and traditionalists interpret Vatican Council II and EENS with Cushingism.




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FEBRUARY 5, 2020

FALSE PREMISE, INFERENCE AND CONCLUSION (GRAPHICS)











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NOVEMBER 2, 2016

When an irrational premise is used I refer to it as Cushingism. When there is a rational premise, I refer to it as Feeneyism.


IRRATIONAL PREMISE
The irrational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.
RATIONAL PREMISE
The rational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.
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IRRATIONAL PREMISE
The irrational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively visible in 2016.
RATIONAL PREMISE
The rational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively invisible in 2016.
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IRRATIONAL PREMISE
The irrational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to personally known cases in 2016.
RATIONAL PREMISE
The rational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to an unknown cases in 2016.There is no personally known case.
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IRRATIONAL PREMISE
The irrational premise is assuming there are objectively seen and known cases of being saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water in 2016.
RATIONAL PREMISE
The rational premise is assuming others (in general) cannot see invisible cases in the present and the past.It is assuming that the baptism of desire refers to an unknown and invisible case in the present or past.
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When an irrational premise is used I refer to it as Cushingism.
When there is a rational premise, I refer to it as Feeneyism.
-Lionel Andrades

https://gloria.tv/video/KGTNnspuhZyG6uMAzDyAv4vvJ

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/01/repost-when-irrational-premise-is-used.html

SUNDAY, AUGUST 22, 2021

The mainstream Church is liberal today because of the fake premise. Let them use a rational premise and the liberalism falls off from the whole Church

 

The mainstream  Church is liberal today because of the fake premise. Let them use a rational premise and the liberalism falls off from the whole Church.


Fake premise

Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.

Fake inference

They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

Fake conclusion

Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.
Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.

Rational Premise

LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference

They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.


Rational Conclusion

Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.

The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine 

of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-

IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.

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IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively visible in 2021.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively invisible in 2021.

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IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to personally known cases in 2021.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to an unknown cases in 2021.There is no personally known case.

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IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is assuming there are objectively seen and known cases of being saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water in 2016.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is assuming others (in general) cannot see invisible cases in the present and the past.It is assuming that the baptism of desire refers to an unknown and invisible case in the present or past.

When an irrational premise is used I refer to it as Cushingism.

When there is a rational premise, I refer to it as Feeneyism.Lionel Andrades










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