Tuesday, May 25, 2021

How can we have two popes who do not interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise but instead teach the people to use a false premise to interpret Magisterial documents, and the cardinals and bishops are following are following them ? Even ambassadors of Hungary and Poland to the Holy See use the false premise to interpret Vatican Council II


 How can we have two popes who do not interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise but instead teach the people to use a false premise to interpret Magisterial documents, and the cardinals and bishops are following them ? Even ambassadors of Hungary and Poland to the Holy See, use the false premise to interpret Vatican Council II.
 How can they call this deception the 'deposit of the faith' and the 'magisterium' ? All the bishops conferences are following the error.
Ambassadors to the Holy See who were present at the March for Life event on Saturday are also following this theological error.-Lionel Andrades 


MAY 24, 2021

So there really cannot be a new Synodality based upon 'the spirit of Vatican Council II' which needs to be propped with a fake premise.The spirit of Vatican Council II is traditional. The Synods need to acknowledge this

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/05/so-there-really-cannot-be-new.html

 MAY 24, 2021

So we are back to traditional Mission since Vatican Council II is traditional.The red is not an exception to the blue

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/05/so-we-are-back-to-traditional-mission.html

 MAY 24, 2021

Without the false premise used in the interpretation of Vatican Council II there is no 'spirit of Vatican Council II'. There is no liberalism.Since without the false premise the Council is traditional.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/05/without-false-premise-used-in.html


MAY 24, 2021


Pope Benedict sent a message to the Polish minor seminary and did not tell them that they should stop interpreting Vatican Council II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church(n.1257,845) and the Creeds and other Magisterial documents- with a fake premise, to create ' a hermeneutic of rupture' with Tradition
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/05/pope-benedict-sent-message-to-polish.html


 MAY 24, 2021

Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke is part of the same false Church as Pope Francis and Pope Benedict which use a fake premise to interpret Magisterial documents ( Creeds, Catechisms, EENS etc) to create a false rupture with Tradition and which they consider magisterial.They have a rational choice before them which is Magisterial

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/05/cardinal-raymond-leo-burke-is-part-of.html

MAY 23, 2021

Pope Benedict could apologize for the theological mess he promoted in the Catholic Church : he did not caution the Polish minor seminary in a recent message

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/05/pope-benedict-could-apologize-for.html

Fake premise

Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.

Fake inference
They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

Fake conclusion
Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.

Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.

Rational Premise
LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference
They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.

Rational Conclusion
Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.
The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-Lionel Andrades


Lionel Andrades
Promoter of the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II.
Catholic lay man in Rome,
Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.
It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.There can be two interpretations.
Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, non traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional ?
Blog: Eucharist and Mission

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Prudent Fr. John Zuhlsdorf



ASK FATHER: Can I baptize myself?

Posted on 23 May 2021 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Fr.John Zuhlsdorf has written so much about the baptism of desire(BOD) in a blog post today but does not state that the baptism of desire cannot be administered by oneself or anyone and that we cannot know of any one saved with the BOD in the present times (1949-2021).He does not state that invisible cases of  invincible ignorance(I.I) and unknown cases of the BOD could not have been objective exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). So when the saints mentioned the BOD it did not contradict their affirmation of the strict interpretation of EENS.So it would mean that Fr. Leonard Feeney was correct and the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston was objectively wrong.
NICENE CREED
 The Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith(CDF)made a factual error in 1949.
He also did not say that the BOD and being saved in invincible ignorance were theoretical and hypothetical only and so are not examples of known salvation outside the Church. So the Nicene Creed is not changed when it states that we believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
APOSTLES CREED
It also means that when the Apostles Creed refers to the Holy,Catholic and Apostolic Church, the Creed, is saying today that outside the Church, there is no known salvation and the BOD and I.I do not refer to objective cases of salvation, without faith and the baptism of water.
VATICAN COUNCIL II
Fr.Z did not say that Lumen Gentium 14( baptism of desire) and Lumen Gentium 16(invincible ignorance) were not objective exceptions to the strict interpretation of EENS, as it was known to the missionaries and saints in the Middle Ages.
So it means that Vatican Council II( with LG 8,LG 14,LG 16,UR 3,NA 2,GS 22 etc) do not contradict outside the Church there is no salvation as it was stated in the Athanasius Creed.
FIRST COMMANDMENT
With there being alleged objective cases of the baptism of desire Fr.Z changes the meaning of the First Commandment and suggests that there is true worship outside the Catholic Church.
These are important points which he left out in his politically- correct- with- the- Left blog post.-Lionel Andrades


The Church teaches about three different kinds of baptism, by water, by blood (martyrdom), by desire.

Baptism by desire implies an implicit baptism, that would have taken place, had a person – who is sincerely seeking for and living for the Truth – had the chance to be baptized. Such a person would have been baptized had they had the chance, because they would have accepted Christ as God and would have lived according to the Commandments and in the Church He founded. This is what was also thought about catechumens who were committed already but who had not yet been baptized. Cyprian of Carthage (+258) was confident that catechumens martyred before baptism were baptized with another baptism. The Angelic Doctor holds the same in the Summa (III, q. 82. a .2).  St Robert Bellarmine writes of it.  Innocent III based on Augustine’s De baptismo writes of it.

Hence, it is possible to obtain the justification and sanctification which are the effects of baptism through true desire for them.

That doesn’t mean that baptism is not necessary. Some kind of baptism is necessary, by water, by blood or by desire. Baptism is necessary for salvation.

https://wdtprs.com/2021/05/ask-father-can-i-baptize-myself/

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Fake premise

Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.

Fake inference
They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

Fake conclusion
Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.

Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.

Rational Premise
LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference
They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.

Rational Conclusion
Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.
The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-Lionel Andrades


Lionel Andrades
Promoter of the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II.
Catholic lay man in Rome,
Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.
It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.There can be two interpretations.
Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, non traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional ?
Blog: Eucharist and Mission

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Radioplay: AGNES IN THE WAKE OF THE LAMB

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Pope Francis needs to create unity in the Church. The Holy Spirit cannot recommend a false premise for the Catholic Church

 Pope Francis called for unity in the church and rejection of the ideologies “that divide and separate us,” as he celebrated Mass in St. Peter’s Basilica on the feast of Pentecost. He told believers worldwide that “the Holy Spirit is telling the Church that today is the time for comforting.” - Pope Francis

https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2021/05/23/pope-francis-pentecost-homily-ideology-holy-spirit-240726


Pope Francis creates division in the Catholic Church when he interprets Vatican Council II, the Creeds, Councils, EENS etc with a false premise to create a non traditional conclusion.This is  schism with the past popes and first class heresy according to Pope John Paul II (Ad Tuendem Fidem).This cannot be the teaching of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit cannot make an objective mistake and also contradict the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church. The Holy Spirit cannot create a division in the Church with the 'liberal', 'progressivist' ideology with the New Theology created with the objective error of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949, the error repeated in Vatican Council II.

With the rational premise, inference and conclusion there would be no progressive/conservative division in theology. The New Theology is based on the objective error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949. It projected invisible cases of the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance as visible exceptions to traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus, which, Pope Francis rejects. This is the New Theology which Pope Francis accepts. With the false premise of the New Theology he creates division in the Catholic Church and calls it a ' development of doctrine'.This cannot be Magisterial.Catholics are not obliged to accept Pope Francis' non Magisterial and divisive interpretation of the Council.A  rational and traditional alternative is available.It  would not contradict the past ecclesiocentric ecclesiology of the Church, which the present two popes reject.-Lionel Andrades

https://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/vortex-fake-unity



Fake premise

Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.

Fake inference
They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

Fake conclusion
Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.

Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.

Rational Premise
LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference
They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.

Rational Conclusion
Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.
The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-Lionel Andrades


Lionel Andrades
Promoter of the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II.
Catholic lay man in Rome,
Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.
It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.There can be two interpretations.
Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, non traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional ?
Blog: Eucharist and Mission

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Ven Señor Jesús, Maranathá - Come Lord Jesus, Maranatha

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