Thursday, February 10, 2022

The French Bishops Conference could be asked to choose only the rational and traditional interpretation of Vatican Council II and not expect the people to choose the false interpretation

 


Wherever the Latin Mass is still being allowed show the people that there can be two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is with a Rational Premise and the other is with a Fake Premise. The Fake Premise creates an interpretation of Vatican Council II which is political and ideological and Catholics, in faith, are not obliged to follow it. Once this is understood then the French Bishops Conference could be asked to choose only the rational and traditional interpretation of Vatican Council II and not expect the people to choose the false interpretation. -Lionel Andrades




FEBRUARY 3, 2022

The Brazilian bishop calls to interpret Vatican Council II with the False and not Rational Premise and the Church Militant TV report does not mention it.

 CURITIBA, Brazil (ChurchMilitant.com) - A Brazilian archbishop is using Pope Francis' document Traditionis Custodes as a pretext to crush a traditionalist community.



On Dec. 27, Abp. Peruzzo published a letter to the faithful laying out guidelines for the application of Traditionis Custodes in the Curitiba archdiocese. Quoting Christus Dominus, the Second Vatican Council's decree on the pastoral office of bishops, Abp. Peruzzo justified his course of action by stating that "the Second Vatican Council must be respected" and, therefore, pastors "should also wholeheartedly devote themselves to those who have strayed in any way from the path."Archbishop José Antônio Peruzzo of Curitiba, Brazil, is giving the boot to the local chapter of the Institute of the Good Shepherd — a traditional apostolate in full communion with Rome.

The letter establishes that, beginning on Feb. 1, Masses in the Extraordinary Form are to be celebrated exclusively by two diocesan priests, Fr. Anderson Bonin and Fr. Emmanuel Portela Cardoso, or "by other cleric duly appointed by the competent ecclesiastical authority."

The institute's priest in Curitiba, Fr. Thiago Gaspar Bonifácio, wasn't named in the letter — an omission that leaves the institute unable to perform its ministry.

https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/traditional-mass-brazil


"the Second Vatican Council must be respected" 


The Brazilian bishop calls to interpret Vatican Council II with the False and not Rational Premise and the Church Militant TV report does not mention it. Since Michael Voris does not want to affirm Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise and affirm Tradition. With the False Premise ( invisible non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church without faith and baptism, are visible and known) practical exceptions are 'produced'  for the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church and the exclusivist interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus ; Tradition, which CMTV too does not affirm like the Brazilian bishop.  -Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2022/02/the-brazilian-bishop-calls-to-interpret.html


Santo Rosario dalla Collina delle Apparizioni ,Medugorje

The Tridentine Theology returns at the Latin Mass in Dijon, France, offered by the diocesan priests when they interpret Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents with a Rational Premise. This is New Information. We have found the Missing Link.

 


The Tridentine Theology returns at the Latin Mass in Dijon, France, offered by the diocesan priests when they interpret Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents with a Rational Premise. This is New Information. We have found the Missing Link. We now know precisely what creates the hermeneutic of continuity or rupture with Tradition. This does not depend upon a new theology or my opinion.

We simply use a Rational Premise to interpret Vatican Council II and then there is a hermeneutic of continuity with the Athanasius Creed, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX etc.

With this New Information we are back to the old theology at not only the Latin Mass but also the Novus Ordo Mass. There is a unity with the past, on doctrine and theology, at all rites and liturgies.

It is important to note that it is the Rational Premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II etc, which creates the hermeneutic of continuity with the past and not the Latin Mass.

With the Rational Premise in the interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( baptism of desire etc), Vatican Council II, the Creeds and Catechisms, we return to the exclusivist ecclesiology of the Traditional Latin Mass, for example, of the 16th centuries. Our understanding of Church becomes the same as that of the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.-Lionel Andrades

The Franciscans of the Immaculate of Fr. Stefano Mannelli f.i must announce that they will only interpret Vatican Council II rationally and not irrationally and that this is a conscience issue.

 

The Franciscans of the Immaculate of Fr. Stefano Mannelli f.i must announce that they will only interpret Vatican Council II rationally and not irrationally and that this is a conscience issue.

They will only renew their vows, make a profession of faith and take an oath of office by interpreting the Creeds, Catechisms etc with only the Rational Premise and then accept the traditional conclusion.

Presently Pope Francis, Cardinal Braz de Avez,Fr. Sabino Ardito sdb, Fr. Gianfranco Ghirlanda sj and cardinals, bishops and religious superiors in general are interpreting Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents with a False Premise and then they take religious vows in public according to Canon Law.-Lionel Andrades




 JULY 7, 2014

Asking the Franciscans of the Immaculate to accept Vatican Council II with an irrational inference violates their conscience : laws in Italy

The Vatican Press Office has not denied that the Franciscan Friars and Sisters of the Immaculate have to accept Vatican Council II in which all references to salvation (NA 2, UR3 etc) must be assumed to be visible on earth.These 'visible cases', the Franciscans have to opine, are real, known,visible in the flesh exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They would have to be visible and known for them to be exceptions.This is affirmed by the Vatican cardinals and popes and is believed to be the interpretation of Pope Francis and Catholics at large.
 
Upon this irrational premise i.e being able to see the dead in Heaven who are physically visible on earth and are alleged exceptions to all needing the baptism of water for salvation, the Franciscan Friars and Sisters of the Immaculate, have to build a fantasy theology. This non-real theology says there is salvation outside the Church. Since, there is salvation outside the Church, the Franciscans of the Immaculate, must acknowledge Vatican Council II is a break with Tradition.
So in conscience they have to tell a lie. They have to deny what is common knowledge i. e we humans in general cannot see the dead who are now in Heaven.
 
Even secularists would understand that this is a conscience issue and is not the teaching of the Catholic Church.Yet it is being forced upon the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate. This is the condition, the lie , they must endorse to be able to offer the Traditional Latin Mass and to have teaching faculties once again.
Their seminary has been closed.Since it could be ideological for the pope to interpret Vatican Council II without the irrational premise.The result would be a traditional Vatican Council II.
 
The seminarians who had to leave the seminary because it was closed down by Pope Francis, have been asked to enroll at pontifical seminaries in Rome. Here they must say that they can see the dead saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) elements of sanctification and truth(LG 8), seeds of the Word(AG 11), good and holy things in other religions(UR 3) and a ray of the Truth(NA 2).

 These deceased-visible are exceptions to the dogma on exclusive salvation. Yet none of the seminarians can see the deceased in Heaven.This is a conscience issue. Nether can the priest-professors at the pontifical universities  see these deceased-saved.Yet the pontifical university forces the Franciscans of the Immaculate seminarians , and others also,to affirm the absurd.

This is the condition for studying there.If a seminarian says that he cannot see the dead and so Vatican Council II is in harmony with extra ecclesiam nulla salus, according to Tradition, he will be expelled.
Lay Catholics,including the relatives of the religious, must do something about this. The Franciscans of the Immaculate are being asked to violate their conscience and affirm Vatican Council II with an irrational statement.It must be noted that there are secular laws in Italy related to freedom of conscience.The Apostolic Signatura,unfortunately, permits this general violation of conscience.-Lionel Andrades

Can the Franciscans Friars and Sisters of the Immaculate affirm Vatican Council II without this fantasy premise ? No one at the Vatican Press Office wants to answer

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/07/can-franciscans-friars-and-sisters-of.html#links 
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/07/franciscans-of-immaculate-are-not.html#links 

Vatican wants the Franciscan Friars and Sisters of the Immaculate to accept this irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/07/vatican-wants-franciscan-friars-and.html#links 

Lombardi says Franciscans of the Immaculate a 'delicate subject' : ignores Vatican's doctrinal ambiguities

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/07/lombardi-says-franciscans-of-immaculate.html#links 

In my parish the Catechism classes are not the same as it was in Rome in the 16th century since now they are interpreting Vatican Council II with the Fake Premise and not the Rational Premise.

 

In my parish the Catechism classes are not the same as it was in Rome in the 16th century since now they are interpreting Vatican Council II with the Fake Premise and not the Rational Premise. This is the parish in Casalotti, Boccea Rome which has the old seminary building of the Franciscans of the Immaculate. In this locality of Selva Candida, there were martyrs who were killed for their Catholic faith.

If they interpreted Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise, in the parish and the rest of the diocese, then the Catholic faith would be the same as at the time of the Selva Candida martyrs.Since there would be no practical exceptions mentioned in the text of Vatican Council II for the past ecclesiocentric ecclesiology of the Catholic Church.

-Lionel Andrades

 

FEBRUARY 7, 2022

In my parish the First Holy Communion classes are political and ideological

 


In my parish the First Holy Communion classes are political and ideological. They can go ahead politically since Vatican Council II is interpreted with the Fake and not Rational Premise. So the children are not taught that there is exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church and in Heaven there are only Catholics. 


This is a break with the teaching of Catechism in the 16th century in Rome, when the False Premise was not used to interpret extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). There were no exceptions for EENS.Since the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance were not interpreted with the False Premise.Hypothetical cases were not confused as being objective and then inferred to be practical exceptions for the past exclusivist ecclesiology.-Lionel Andrades





https://it-it.facebook.com/pg/smnazaret/posts/


FEBRUARY 8, 2022

The recitation of the Profession of Faith today at Holy Mass in all rites and liturgies is political and ideological. The Nicene Creed is interpreted with the False not the Rational Premise and so the conclusion is nontraditional, schismatic and heretical. This is official.

 

The recitation of the Profession of Faith today at Holy Mass in all rites and liturgies is political and ideological. The Nicene Creed is interpreted with the False not the Rational Premise and so the conclusion is nontraditional, schismatic and heretical. This is official. There is a choice though.

1.          I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, it is the baptism of water which is visible and repeatable.

2.        I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, it includes the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance etc, which are  visible and known in particular cases and so are an exception for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors and other Magisterial Documents.

Lumen Gentium 8, Unitatis Redintigratio 3 etc in Vatican Council II are also considered exceptions and they exclude the baptism of water.

______________

1.          I believe in the one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church which says outside the Church there is no salvation ( 1940 and before)

2.        I believe in the one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church which says outside the Church there is salvation, there is known salvation ( 1949-2022).  

So there are two interpretations of the Nicene Creed. One is with the Rational Premise and the other is with the False Premise. The conclusion is traditional and non traditional.The Profession of Faith with the False Premise is political.

-Lionel Andrades


 FEBRUARY 7, 2022

It’s the premise which determines if you are orthodox or unorthodox, conservative or liberal.

 

It’s the old or new theology which determines your Catholic faith and the new theology depends upon a false premise and the old theology, a rational premise.

It’s the premise which determines if you are orthodox or unorthodox, conservative or liberal.

You may go for the Latin Mass as a liberal and the Novus Ordo Mass as a conservative.

In the 16th century the lex orandi, lex credenda was shown at the Latin Mass, when they were not using the False Premise to interpret extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed etc. Today at the Latin and Novus Ordo Mass there is the lex orandi lex credendi with the congregation and priest using the False and not Rational Premise. So theology in general is new and liberal. -Lionel Andrades

Day 9 - St. Michael the Archangel Novena | 2022



SAN MICHELE ARCANGELO santuario di Sturno (Av)

There should not be a profession of faith, renewal of vows and an oath of office when the religious knows that he or she will have to affirm Magisterial Documents dishonestly and proclaim a false Catholic faith. He or she would be political but not Catholic : French bishops and Religious Superiors Oath of Office and Renewal of Vows and Profession of Faith are presently false.

 

French bishops and Religious Superiors Oath of Office and Renewal of Vows and Profession of Faith are presently false. 

When Bishop Roland Minnerath came out of his office to speak to the Latin laity protesting outside he asked them if they knew Canon Law and Theology. Now it’s time for the laity to say, YES!

According to Canon Law a bishop or religious superior makes a profession of faith, an oath of office and a renewal of religious vows in public, but also before God. So the religious must interpret Magisterial Documents honestly and not dishonestly.

Bishop Minnerath today makes his religious vows as a bishop with a false interpretation of Vatican Council II, the Creeds, Catechisms, extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX. Since he interprets Vatican Council II with the False Premsie he creates exceptions for the past ecclesiocentrism of the Church. So he rejects the Syllabus of Errors and has also written books critical of the old theology of the Syllabus of Errors.

If he interpreted Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents with the Rational Premise then there would be no exceptions in the Council-text for the Syllabus of Errors. He would then have to affirm the Syllabus of Errors and other Magisterial Documents and especially interpret Vatican Council II rationally, with the Rational Premise.

So when he makes his religious vows he should really agree to interpret Magisterial Documents with the Rational Premise and so his conclusion would be traditional like that of the Magisterium in the 16th century, for example.

It would be the same for all the religious superiors of the religious communities in Dijon, France. If they use the False Premise then their vows are meaningless and also a sin.

There should not be a profession of faith, renewal of vows and an oath of office when the religious knows that he or she will have to affirm Magisterial Documents dishonestly and proclaim a false Catholic faith. He or she would be political but not Catholic.

It would be the same for the bishops of the French Bishops Conference and the Religious Superiors of the Ecclesia Dei communities in France.  -Lionel Andrades


FEBRUARY 9, 2022

The Latin laity in Dijon, France must ask the diocesan priests who offer the Latin Mass there to return to the past Tridentine theology, the old exclusivist theology of the Catholic Church, by interpreting Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents with a Rational Premise.

 

The Latin laity in Dijon, France must ask the diocesan priests who offer the Latin Mass there to return to the past Tridentine theology, the old exclusivist theology of the Catholic Church, by interpreting Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents with a Rational Premise. Then the Catechesis would be similar to that of the FSSP before Bishop Minnerath pushed them out.-Lionel Andrades

FEBRUARY 9, 2022

The Tridentine theology depends upon the premise and not the Latin Mass

 

If Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise then his theology will be Tridentine at the Novus Ordo Mass.

If Bishop Roland Minnerath interprets Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise then this theology will be Tridentine at the Novus Ordo Mass in Dijon, France.

If Cardinal Vincent Nicols and Cardinal Robert Sarah would interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise then their theology would be Tridentine at the Novus Ordo and Latin Mass.-Lionel Andrades


FEBRUARY 9, 2022

France returns to the Tridentine theology


                                                                                                                                                                                   -Lionel Andrades






JANUARY 15, 2022



The Ecclesia Dei communities in France are officially supporting Vatican Council II interpreted with an Irrational Premise which creates the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2022/01/the-ecclesia-dei-communities-in-france.html

JANUARY 16, 2022

Father Louis-Marie de Blignières, Superior General of the Fraternity of Saint Vincent Ferrier, France signed the Communique of the Ecclesia Dei communities at Cortalain, France last September, in which he approved Vatican Council II interpreted with the False Premise. It creates the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition.It is an abjuration of the Catholic faith. It supports schism with the past Magisterium, first class heresy on the Creeds and the rejection of de fide teachings of the Church which it is obligatory to believe in

 We reaffirm our adherence to the magisterium (including that of Vatican II and what follows), according to the Catholic doctrine of the assent due to it (cf. in particular LUMEN GENTIUM, §25, and Catechism of the Catholic Church, §891 and §892), as evidenced by the numerous studies and doctoral theses carried out by several of us over the past 33 years.   -  Joint Statement by Superiors General of “Ecclesia Dei” Communities,Courtelain, France,  https://www.ccwatershed.org/2021/09/02/breaking-joint-statement-by-superiors-general-of-ecclesia-dei-communities/

Father Louis-Marie de Blignières, Superior General of the Fraternity of Saint Vincent Ferrier, France signed the Communique of the Ecclesia Dei communities at Cortalain, France last September, in which he approved Vatican Council II interpreted with the False Premise. It creates the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition.It is an abjuration of the Catholic faith. It supports schism with the past Magisterium, first class heresy on the Creeds and the rejection of de fide teachings of the Church which it is obligatory to believe in, example, the Creeds, without their meaning being changed with a False Premise, inference and non traditional conclusion.

Since Father Louis-Marie de Blignières is politically correct with the Left he is allowed politically to function in France. 

Similarly in the USA the sedevacantist bishops are allowed to have their seminaries, churches and educational facilities since they use the False Premise but the conclusion, though politically correct, is a sin for Catholics. -Lionel Andrades


__________________________________________________


JANUARY 9, 2022

Father Louis-Marie de Blignières, Superior General of the Fraternity of Saint Vincent Ferrier, France has not issued a statement on Vatican Council II interpreted with the Fake Premise and the Rational Premise

 


Father Louis-Marie de Blignières, Superior General of the Fraternity of Saint Vincent Ferrier, France will continue to offer the Latin Mass as before Traditionis Custode. However he has not issued a statement on Vatican Council II, which is the real issue. Will he interpret Vatican Council II with the False Premise as Pope Francis wants or will he interpret the Council with the Rational Premise and so with the hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition ?

He could also assist the Latin laity at Dijon, France and ask Bishop Roland Minnerath and the diocesan priests there, who offer the Novus Ordo and Latin Mass, to also interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise and return to the exclusivist ecclesiology of the Patristic period and the Middle Ages.

At First Holy Communion preparation classes in France, Vatican Council II should not be interpreted according to Bishop Roland Minnerath but with Vatican Council II (rational) which has a hermeneutic of continuity with the Magisterium over the centuries in France.

He could appeal to Pope Francis to re-interpret Vatican Council II rationally and come back to the Faith. A major flaw in Traditionis Custode is that it interprets Vatican Council II with the Fake Premise and considers this the work of the Holy Spirit.

In Rome, if Cardinal Angelo Donatis, Vicar General, did not use the False Premise to interpret Vatican Council II, then during his Holy Mass in Italian for the Easter Triduum, this year, there would be nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict the Athanasius Creed, the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus with hypothetical cases of the baptism of desire( LG 14) and invincible ignorance(LG 16) not being practical and objective exceptions. Cardinal Donatis, who has prohibited the Latin Mass for the Easter Triduum, would be conservative in his theology. There would be a hermeneutic of continuity with St. Ignatius of Loyola and St. Francis Xavier when they offered the Traditional Latin Mass and held the traditional exclusivist concept of salvation.

The Italian cardinal would be affirming an exclusivist ecclesiology at Holy Mass in Italian and there would no more be a pre and post Vatican Council II ecclesiology. So the theology at Mass in Italian, Latin, Greek or Syro Malabar would be the same. It would be traditional.It would be Feeneyite and not Cushingite.

So there no more would be a reason for Pope Francis and the Left to target only the Latin Mass in the name of Vatican Council II interpreted with the Fake Theology; the Fake Premise.

How can diocesan priests be allowed to use a Fake Premise to interpret Vatican Council II at the Novus Ordo Mass in France, Italy etc ?. Father Louis-Marie de Blignières, Superior General of the Fraternity of Saint Vincent Ferrier must ask the French Bishops Conference.-Lionel Andrades


https://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2016/11/fraternity-of-st-vincent-ferrer-in-nyc.html#.Ydq-oDPMLcc

https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/new-rome-pastoral-guidelines-raise-eyebrows


__________________________________________________


FEBRUARY 7, 2022

No one is formally asking Bishop Roland Minnerath to interpret Vatican Council II rationally, only. Vocations to the religious life in Dijon, France must be told to interpret Vatican Council II only with the Rational Premise. Religious Superiors must make their Profession of Faith and take their Oath of Office in public, only by accepting and affirming Vatican Council II (Rational).

 


In interpret LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II as referring to invisible and unknown people in 2022. Bishop Roland Minnerath interprets them as referring to physically visible and known non Catholics saves outside the Church without faith and the baptism of water. No one is formally asking Bishop Minnerath to interpret Vatican Council II rationally, only.

He has written a book supporting a theology of religions and another book critical of the Syllabus of Errors. In both these books he used the False Premise (invisible cases are visible) to interpret Vatican Council II.

So with the False Premise these books are Christocentric and not Ecclesiocentric/ Christocentric. The False Premise creates the New Theology which projects exceptions for the past ecclesiocentrism. His books are written with the New Theology and not the old theology. He supports the New Ecumenism, since with the False Premise he creates exceptions for the old ecumenism of return.

Vocations to the religious life in Dijon, France must be told to interpret Vatican Council II only with the Rational Premise.

Religious Superiors must make their Profession of Faith and take their Oath of Office in public, only by accepting and affirming Vatican Council II (Rational).  -Lionel Andrades





 


June 29, 2021


Bishop Roland Minnerath has interpreted Vatican Council II with the false premise and with this error has written a book on 'the theology of religions' he has also interpreted the Syllabus of Errors with a false premise and published books with this error

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/06/bishop-roland-minnerath-has-interpreted



NOVEMBER 23, 2021

Vocations to the Religious Life in Dijon, France have to interpret Vatican Council II ( LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc) with a False Premise and so reject the traditional interpretation of the Creeds and Catechisms to be politically correct with Macron and the Left in France.It is the same in Spain and England.

 Vocations to the Religious Life in Dijon, France have to interpret Vatican Council II ( LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc) with a False Premise and so reject the traditional interpretation of the Creeds and Catechisms to be politically correct  with Macron and the Left in France.It is the same in Spain and England.Those Catholics who go for Holy Mass in the vernacular  could take up this issue with the their bishops. 

The diocesan priests in Dijon who offer Holy Mass in French could ask Bishop Roland Minnerath to interpret Vatican Council II rationally and so also the Creeds, Catechisms and extra ecclesiam nulla salus


Then there will not be doctrinal division with the past Magisterium at the Novus Ordo Mass.


Archbishop Arthur Roche when he was the bishop of Leeds, England, would not affirm the dogma EENS since he wanted to interpret  the BOD, BOB and I.I  with the fake premise, for political reasons. 

The same ruse is followed by Andrea Grillo and the professors at the Benedictine University of St. Anselm, Rome, when they attend Holy Mass in Italian.They have courses in liturgy, with academic degrees being given, which are approved by Archbishop Arthur Roche.-Lionel Andrades
























Bishop Athanasius Schneider and Dr. Taylor Marshall have found the Specific Error in Vatican Council II.They now know what creates the New Theology and the break with Tradition.It is the False Premise.
There are no literal and visible cases of the Baptism of Desire said Bishop Athanasius Schneider.

Bishop Athanasius Schneider and Dr.Taylor Marshall chose the Blue Left Hand Side  Rational Column. The Ecclesia Dei communities must do the same and demand that Bishop Roland Minnerath also interpret Vatican Council II with the rational column.
















 











OCTOBER 1, 2021

Ecclesia Dei communities demand that Bishop Roland Minnerath be rational. With the Red Right Hand Side Column he and Pope Francis create official heresy. This is schism with the past Magisterium ( Graphics )                                                                                                                       

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/10/with-irrational-premise-of-red-right.html