Nicole Winfield of the Associated Press and Phillip Pullela of Reuters should stop referring to Vatican Council II as a devolution in the Church, since, when LG 8,14,1,5,16,UR 3, NA ,2 GS 22 etc, are interpreted as physically visible cases only ; hypothetical only; which exist only in our mind, in 2024, Vatican Council II does not have any practical exception for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed, the Catechisms of Trent and Pius X, the Syllabus of Errors and the rest of Tradition.

 

Nicole Winfield of the Associated Press and Phillip Pullela of Reuters should stop referring to Vatican Council II as an evolution in the Church, since, when LG 8,14,1,5,16,UR 3, NA ,2 GS 22 etc, are interpreted as physically visible cases only ; hypothetical only; which exist only in our mind, in 2024, Vatican Council II does not have any practical exception for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed, the Catechisms of Trent and Pius X, the Syllabus of Errors and the rest f Tradition.

Wikipedia also needs to correct its reports on Vatican Council II, Feeneyism, extra ecclesiam nulla salus etc.

Fr. Leonard Feeney denied the existence of visible cases of the baptism of desire. There are none in our reality.

He was also not obliged to go to Rome to defend himself since he was not saying anything new. The innovation was being made by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (Holy Office) with alleged visible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance.

The Fourth Lateran Council (1215) and the other Councils which defined EENS did not mention any exceptions.  -Lionel Andrades

The Discovery

 

, OCTOBER 21, 2023

The Lionel Andrades Discovery on Vatican Council II is simple

 

The Lionel Andrades Discovery on Vatican Council II is simple

It’s just this: LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc always refer to hypothetical cases only. They are always physically invisible in 1965-2023. We cannot meet anyone saved in invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) or with the baptism of desire (LG 14). If anyone was saved as such it would only be known to God.

This changes the interpretation of Vatican Council II. Ecclesiology changes. The Church returns to the past. We are back to the past ecclesiocentrism of the Middle Ages. Since speculative and theoretical cases of LG 8, 14, 15 16 etc, cannot be objective examples of salvation in the present times (2023). They are not practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors and the Catechism of Pope Pius X (24 Q, 27Q).

So we have the hermeneutic of continuity with the past exclusivist ecclesiology upon which was based traditional faith, morals and mission.

This is a rational and ethical interpretation of Vatican Council II and the only option the popes, cardinals and bishops now have.

When Alberto Melloni of the FSCIRE ( Bologna School), the professor-priests at the Biblicum, Gregorian, Angelicum and John Lateran Universities interpret LG 8,14, 15,16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, rationally, they automatically affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS. This is irrespective if they want to or not want to affirm Feeneyite EENS.

My Parish Priest Fr. Paulo Boumis, at the church San Agapito near Largo Preneste, Rome, the Missionaries of Charity of Mother Teresa-priests, the Auxiliary bishops of Rome and the theologians at the Ecclesia Mater, Rome Vicariate, agree with me. LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, are always invisible in the present times. This is something obvious said Fr. Aldo Rossi, a former Prior at the SSPX, District Albano, Italy. - Lionel Andrades

MARCH 12, 2023

All the parish priests and religious sisters can teach the children at First Communion classes that there is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church : Pope Francis has only to make one announcement. Vocations to the religious life will be accepted only from those Catholics who affirm exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. Cardinals at the Conclave will be restricted

 

So all the parish priests and religious sisters can teach the children at First Communion classes that there is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church.

Vocations to the religious life will be accepted only from those Catholics who affirm there is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church and who interpret Vatican Council II rationally i.e. invisible people are not visible in 2023.

 

Only those cardinals will be allowed to participate in the Conclave, who are honest and do not confuse implicit cases of Lumen Gentium 14 etc, as being explicit. They are traditionalists.

The Catholic and non Catholic  judges of the secular and ecclesiastical courts will choose to interpret Vatican Council II rationally and the Ministry of Education  will know that there is only one option for students- the honest one.

The liberal-traditionalist division in the Church ends since there is no more a liberal theology. The false premise and inference is not there anymore.- Lionel Andrades

MARCH 12, 2023

A New Discovery : Pope Francis, the CDF has only to announce that LG 8, LG 14. LG 16. UR 3. NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to hypothetical and invisible cases in 2023. Things then fall into place. The Church returns to Tradition.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/03/a-new-discovery-pope-francis-cdf-has.html

MARCH 2, 2023

We have a new discovery in the Catholic Church

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/03/we-have-new-discovery-in-catholic-church.html

FEBRUARY 28, 2023

" We have a discovery in the Catholic Church, my dear Watson...We have found the Missing Link"

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/02/we-have-discovery-in-catholic-church-my.html

FEBRUARY 27, 2023

Pope Francis simply has to interpret the BOD, BOB and I.I as not being exceptions to EENS : heresy and sacrilege end (Graphics )

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/02/pope-francis-simply-has-to-interpret.html

MARCH 6, 2023

It is like watering the roots of a plant or tree. With one simple step, one action, the whole tree is nourished-branches, leaves, roots etc.In the same way by choosing the rational premise we return to the past in faith and morals, liturgy,. mission, ecclesiology etc

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/03/it-is-like-watering-roots-of-plant-or.html

MARCH 9, 2023

The Apostolic Signatura, the Vatican tribunal must not allow cardinals to participate in the next conclave who interpret Vatican Council II irrationally and not rationally.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/03/the-apostolic-signatura-vatican.html

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SEPTEMBER 9, 2023

The discovery

 

The discovery

We have a discovery today. It’s ‘a small point’ but this small point turns the Council around. From liberalism the Council returns to Tradition. So by ignoring this small point, we have liberalism in the Church. This small point, is the premise: the rational and irrational premise. It decides if Vatican Council II has a continuity or break with Tradition. This is the discovery. We now have a switch. We can turn it off or on. We can choose a continuity with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors or a rupture with Tradition.   -Lionel Andrades

Lionel Andrades

former Staff Reporter, daily Morning News, Karachi, Pakistan.

Recipient of the All Pakistan Newspaper Society (APNS) Best Reporter of the Year Award, presented by the Prime Minister of Pakistan Benazir Bhutto.

Recipient of the Pakistan Government's Award for Literature ( Childrens stories).

Teacher of English and Church History at the Catholic Minor Seminary, Rawalpindi.                                                                                          

 

                                                            Bishop Anthony Lobo

Sent to Rome for Ministerial Priesthood by Bishop Anthony Lobo, bishop of Rawalpindi-Islamabad, Pakistan.

He is discriminated against by the pontifical universities and seminaries in Rome.He interprets Vatican Council II rationally and not irrationally. So there is a continuity with Tradition. He is not allowed to study at pontifical universities in  Rome,  where it is obligatory to interpret Magisterial Documents, irrationally and unethically.Catholic students and seminarians are discriminated against. 

The seminarians of the Society of St. Pius X, Albano, are allowed to study at the pontifical universities in Rome since they interpret Vatican Council II irrationally and not rationally and this is approved by the Left.

Propaganda Fide only gives schorlarship for all students/ seminarians who are approved by a bishop, who does not interpret Vatican Council II, rationally and expects seminarians to do the same.

However we have a new discovery in the Catholic Church. There are two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake ? So it is human error and not the Magisterium.

 Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only pastoral, when it is interpreted rationally i.e LG 8,14,15,16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to only hypothetical cases. So they are not objective examples of salvation. They are not objective exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Athanasius Creed.

It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms. There can be two interpretations.Catholics must choose the rational option.The Creeds must not be changed.

Why should Catholics choose an irrational version of the Creeds, Catechisms and Councils, which is heretical, non-traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional?

It is unethical when the popes, cardinals and bishops choose the Irrational Premise to interpret Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents and call it Catholic.

Rahner, Ratzinger, Congar, Murray, Balthazar, Kung, Lefebvre and Paul VI interpreted Vatican Council II irrationally. The popes from Paul VI to Francis did the same. We can today choose to interpret the Council rationally and in harmony with Tradition.

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HEART OF THE MATTER

1.If Vatican Council II is a rupture with the dogma EENS then it means that LG 8,14,15,16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, refer to visible examples of salvation outside the Church. So they are exceptions for EENS etc.

2. If Vatican Council II is not a break with the dogma EENS then it means that LG 8, 14, 15, 16 etc refer to invisible cases. They are not visible examples of salvation outside the Church in 1965-2023. Invisible cases cannot be practical exceptions for me.So there is nothing in the text of Vatican Council II to contradict Feeneyite EENS.

A. Similarly if the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance refer to physically visible cases, of salvation outside the Church in 1949-2023, then this is Cushingism. It is irrational. There is a break with the dogma EENS and the ecumenism of return.The Catechism of Pope Pius X (24Q,27Q-outside the Church there is no salvation), has exceptions. There is a break with Tradition.

B. But if BOD, BOB and I.I refer to invisible cases, then they do not contradict EENS, the Athanasius Creed, the ecumenism of return and the Catechism of Pope Pius X(24Q,27Q).There is no rupture with Tradition.

• When what is invisible is considered invisible, I call it Feeneyism.
• When what is invisible is considered visible, I call it a Cushingism.

We can interpret Vatican Council II with Feeneyism or Cushingism.

We can interpret BOD, BOB and I.I with Feeneyism or Cushingism.

So we can interpret the Nicene, Apostles and Athanasius Creed with Feeneyism or Cushingism. When these Creeds refer to BOD, BOB and I.I they can be Feeneyite or Cushingite. For example, (Nicene Creed-I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin ( and not three known baptisms). 

The Apostles Creed  (the Holy Spirit guides the  Holy Catholic Church  to say outside the Church there is no salvation and not outside the Church there is known salvation.

All need Catholic faith for salvation (Athanasius Creed).This is Feeneyism. But if it is said all need Catholic faith for salvation with some known exceptions then this is Cushingism.

The only holy Catholic and Apostolic Church (Four Marks, Nicene Creed) in the past taught that outside the Church there is no salvation. What it teaches today depends upon you -if you are a Feeneyite or Cushingite.

In the same way there can two interpretations of Vatican Council II (LG 8,14,15,16 etc). It depends upon how you interpret LG 8 etc, with Feeneyism or Cushingism.

-Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/10/the-lionel-andrades-discovery-on.html

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