Fr.John Zuhlsdorf could ask to be incardinated in a diocese where the bishop interprets Vatican Council II without a false premise. He could demand it canonically. He could start ticking off all the dioceses which do not use the false premise, including the dioceses of Madison,USA and Velletri, Italy..- Lionel Andrades
NOVEMBER 15, 2020
The Rome Vicariate only grants incardination to liberal priests who reject the dogma EENS and interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise and so change the meaning of the Nicene Creed. With the false premise they are also rejecting the the Athanasius Creed.They interpret all the Catechisms with the false premise creating heresy and schism. The Mass of these priests is considered licit. They would meet Peter Kwasniewski's critieria for explaining the Liturgy.Priests who offer the Latin Mass are also granted incardination when they meet the heretical and schismatic doctrinal requirements
The Rome Vicariate only grants incardination to liberal priests who reject the dogma EENS and interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise and so change the meaning of the Nicene Creed. With the false premise they are also rejecting the the Athanasius Creed.They interpret all the Catechisms with the false premise creating heresy and schism. The Mass of these priests is considered licit. They would meet Peter Kwasniewski's critieria for explaining the Liturgy.Priests who offer the Latin Mass are also granted incardination when they meet the heretical and schismatic doctrinal requirements.-Lionel Andrades
https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2020/11/the-four-qualities-of-liturgy-validity.html
MONDAY, JUNE 8, 2015
Can a priest be faithful to the teachings of the Catholic Church, affirm Vatican Council II interpreted according to Feeneyism and not choose incardination ?
Can a priest be faithful to the teachings of the Catholic Church, affirm Vatican Council II interpreted according to Feeneyism and not choose incardination , in Rome, or elsewhere?
He offers daily Mass, continues pastoral work meaningful for him but is not recognised by the Vicariate and the Vatican, since he interprets Vatican Council II with Feeneyism instead of the official Marchetti model.
The case would be like ( but not exactly) Fr. Stefano Manelli FFI and the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate. They have not done anything wrong. They even interpret Vatican Council II according to Marchetti but there are restrictions placed on them pastorally and liturgically.They choose to remain within these restrictions. They still have incardination.So can there be a priest in Rome, who chooses the lay status, but continues active ministry like an incardinated priest ?.This priest who is not recognised by the Vatican is free to follow the teachings of the Catholic Church, before and after Vatican Council II.
For example Fr.Francesco Giordano is a diocesan priest from a diocese outside Rome and now it is learnt, teaches at pontifical universities in Rome.He has specialised in extra ecclesiam nulla salus but with the Marchetti irrationality of being able to know in the present times, people saved without faith and baptism in the Catholic Church.They are allegedly in Heaven, but are seen on earth to be exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church.Pure fantasy theology.Classic nonsense.Yet it is official.
Fr.Francesco says he affirms the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to the Church Councils and St.Robert Belarmine and I have quoted him on this blog.Yet he will teach that the dogma has exceptions.
Like cardinals Marchetti and Richard Cushing, he infers that these cases are objective and personally known to be present day exceptions to Robert Bellarmine and Cantate Domino Council of Florence 1441.So in reality he rejects the pre-1949 magisterium and is incardinated as a priest.
So with this double speak ( rigorist interpretation and visible exceptions to the rigorist interpretation) he is allowed to teach and is recognised as a Catholic priest in the diocese, by the Vicariate and Vatican.
He interprets Vatican Council II as a break with St. Robert Bellarmine.The faculty at the University of the Holy Cross, the Opus Dei university in Rome knew all this and let him go ahead with his doctorate degree. Since Fr.Giordano was politically correct.
Fr. Angel Rodriguez Luño, Dean of the Department of Theologyat the Opus Dei university at that time, said this was a sensitive subject and so he would not comment on it.He meant it was sensitive for the Vicariate in Rome and the Vatican,overseen by the Jewish Left.
Fr.Francesco Giordano is encouraged to offer the Traditional Latin Mass since he has adopted the new ecclesiology; Marchetti's ecclesiology.He is in favour with the new Rome.
Suppose a priest did not want to go through all this ' new revelation' stuff?
The alternative is to live a simple life and live the Faith sincerely; express the faith clearly- but with the status of a lay man?
-Lionel Andrades
Opus Dei Chaplain contradicts Dean of Theology http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/11/opus-dei-chaplain-contradicts-dean-of.html
Vatican/Vicariate is not allowing priests in Rome to interpret Vatican Council II with Feeneyism : incardìnation prohibition
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WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 18, 2020
Peter Kwasniewski like the present two popes, interprets the Creeds with the false premise, rejects exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church and with this first class heresy and public schism,goes up to receive the Eucharist kneeling and on the tongue at Mass in Latin, with the priest not facing the congregation, then he considers the liturgy licit, fitting, authentic and valid
Peter Kwasniewski like the present two popes, interprets the Creeds with the false premise, rejects exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church and with this first class heresy and public schism,goes up to receive the Eucharist kneeling and on the tongue at Mass in Latin, with the priest not facing the congregation, then he considers the liturgy licit, fitting, authentic and valid. -Lionel Andrades
NOVEMBER 17, 2020
Peter Kwasniewski goes for a Latin Mass (not TLM) permitted by the Cushingite Vatican, where the priests and congregation affirm the New Theology, New Ecclesiology, New Ecumenism etc all created with a false premise
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/11/peter-kwasniewski-goes-for-latin-mass.html
NOVEMBER 17, 2020
Peter Kwasniewski attends a valid, licit, fitting and authentic Latin Mass in which the priest is forced to affirm Cushingite doctrines, which are heretical and schismatic. They are officially approved by the present two popes, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and Cardinal Robert Sarah's Congregation for Divine Worship, Vatican
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/11/peter-kwasniewski-attends-valid-licit.html
NOVEMBER 15, 2020
If the SSPX would announce that they accept Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise their Mass would be doctrinally licit for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Congregation for Divine Liturgy, Pope Benedict and Pope Francis, cardinals and bishops and Peter Kwasniewski
NOVEMBER 15, 2020
The Mass of Kiko Arguello's New Catechumenal Way is licit since the priest is Christocentric and not Ecclesiocentric like at the Traditional Latin Mass of the 16th century. The Mass of the Way is licit for the Vatican and it would also be licit and authentic for Peter Kwasniewski
NOVEMBER 15, 2020
Michael Matt attends Mass in Latin at a church in the USA where the priest accepts Vatican Council II interpreted with a false premise and he also re-interprets the Creeds and Catechisms non traditionally. This is approved by the USCCB.They consider this Mass licit and without impediments even though the theology is heretical and schismatic and a rupture with the ecclesiology of the Traditional Latin Mass of the missionaries in the 16th century and also the Byzantine Greek Mass of the third century. For Peter Kwasniewski this is authentic and fitting liturgy
NOVEMBER 1, 2020
An FSSP priest could offer the Novus Ordo Mass in Italian and interpret the Creeds, Catechisms and Vatican Council II without the false premise and so there would not be a change in the First Commandment while another FSSP priest could offer the Latin Mass while intepreting the Creeds, Catechisms and Vatican Council II with the false premise creating first class heresy and an impediment to offering Holy Mass.This Latin Mass would still be valid, licit, fitting and authentic for Peter Kwasniewski
NOVEMBER 15, 2020
When the FSSP priest rejects the Athanasiius Creed and changes the understanding of the Nicene and Apostles Creed it is an impediment to offering Holy Mass, for example, at the church Santissima Trinita dei Pelligrini, Rome. Yet for Peter Kwasniewski this Mass in Latin could be valid, licit , fitting and authentic
NOVEMBER 15, 2020
Peter Kwasniewski considers Holy Mass valid, licit , fitting and authentic when the priest and congregation change the traditional interpretation of the Creeds , Catechisms and interpret also Vatican Council II with a false premise.This break with Tradition and the resulting heresy and schism officially approved by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the popes, is valid, licit , fitting and authentic for him.
NOVEMBER 15, 2020
Peter Kwasniewski even after being informed will not interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise. LG 16 refers to invisible or visible cases in 2020 for him ? No answer. LG 8 in Vatican Council II refers to an objective person or a hypothetical case in 2020 for him ? No answer. Could he interpret theoretical cases of UR 3 as not contradicting the old ecumenism of return ? No answer. He does not want to answer
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NOVEMBER 15, 2020
If the SSPX would announce that they accept Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise their Mass would be doctrinally licit for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Congregation for Divine Liturgy, Pope Benedict and Pope Francis, cardinals and bishops and Peter Kwasniewski
FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 3, 2017
Lay Catholics do not know about Vatican Council II,Feeneyite since popes, cardinals, bishops, priests and traditionalists are silent : afraid of persecution from the Left who represent Satan
Vatican Council II (Feeneyite) is not being proclaimed.They want to protect their worldly interests and maintain the support of liberals bishop and the pro-Masonic-false-church Vatican.
So when the traditionalists criticize Vatican Council II (Cushingite version) they are politically correct with the liberals and Masons.One of them.They promote an irrational and heretical version of Vatican Council II while they act as if they really care about the Church more than their personal life style.
Rorate Caeli could say for instance that Vatican Council II can be interpreted without the irrational premise and the conclusion will be different.However the editor(New Catholic) will not dare do so.Press Releases from the SSPX are non controversial.
Similarly Joseph Shaw of the Latin Mass Society and Una Voce would not dare say that Vatican Council II (Feeneyite) is not a break with Tradition. He will be disowned by the Vatican.The English bishops would come after him.He would be telling Catholics the truth.
Fr.John Zuhlsdorf is aware of what I write here but he will not comment.Since he depends upon the Church for his incardination and he has to protect his blog.Detachment or inordinate detachment, he needs his blog.
The late Fr.Nicholas Gruner affirmed the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus but he interpreted Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism.He had problems with incardination. He was opposed by cardinals and bishops who could only accept Vatican Council II(Cushingism).He would reject Vatican Council II (Cushingism) which was the only interpretation of the Council he knew.
I correspond with a lay Catholic who lives in an FSSP community in the USA.He knows what I am saying and agrees with me but he cannot make a lone stand in his parish.Every one there are Cushingites.They cite the popes since Pius XII.All were Cushingites.The FSSP priests cannot accept that Pope Pius XII made an objective error with the Letter of the Holy Office 1949. He supported heresy in the Fr. Leonard Feeney case.
Well, even if they wanted to accept this, there is no choice.They cannot.I can sympathize with this lay Catholic.It is the same in my parish here.
Even the communities of Fr. Leonard Feeney in the USA have had it wrong.The Catholic religious community Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary supported Fr.Nicholas Gruner, however they too, only knew of a Vatican Council II,Cushingite.Were Brother Francis Maluf MICM and Fr.Leonard Feeney also Cushingites with reference to Vatican Council II ? I don't know.
The late Fr.Nicholas Gruner affirmed the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus but he interpreted Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism.He had problems with incardination. He was opposed by cardinals and bishops who could only accept Vatican Council II(Cushingism).He would reject Vatican Council II (Cushingism) which was the only interpretation of the Council he knew.
I correspond with a lay Catholic who lives in an FSSP community in the USA.He knows what I am saying and agrees with me but he cannot make a lone stand in his parish.Every one there are Cushingites.They cite the popes since Pius XII.All were Cushingites.The FSSP priests cannot accept that Pope Pius XII made an objective error with the Letter of the Holy Office 1949. He supported heresy in the Fr. Leonard Feeney case.
Well, even if they wanted to accept this, there is no choice.They cannot.I can sympathize with this lay Catholic.It is the same in my parish here.
Even the communities of Fr. Leonard Feeney in the USA have had it wrong.The Catholic religious community Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary supported Fr.Nicholas Gruner, however they too, only knew of a Vatican Council II,Cushingite.Were Brother Francis Maluf MICM and Fr.Leonard Feeney also Cushingites with reference to Vatican Council II ? I don't know.
There are so many reports from this blog on line and they will still write about Vatican Council II( Feeneyite) in public.Possibly they are concerned about their reputation.They also no more have conferences on extra ecclesiam nulla salus nor write articles supporting the position of Fr. Leonard Feeney.They did do this in the past.May be there are threats and restrictions placed upon them from external sources.Similar to the restrictions placed by the Jewish Left on Robert Sungenis.
So when they interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism, there message to all, is that they do not know about the choice.Or they do not want to interpret Vatican Council II with Feeneyism,even though they know about it like Michael Voris and Nick Donnelly.
Lay Catholics in general do not know about Vatican Council II, Feeneyite, since the popes, cardinals, bishops, priests and traditionalists are not telling them about it. They are afraid of running foul of Leftist pro-Satanic laws which protect evil and attack God and the Church, and all who represent Him.-Lionel Andrades
WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 5, 2020
JULY 1, 2020
All the cardinals, bishops and priests who offer the Latin Mass at the FSSP church Santissima Trinità dei Pellegrini, Rome, have to interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise.
All the cardinals, bishops and priests who offer the Latin Mass at the FSSP church Santissima Trinità dei Pellegrini, Rome, have to interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise.
It is obligatory for the FSSP priests in Rome to interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise and so reject 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). If they do not use the false premise to interpret Vatican Council II the Rome Vicariate and the Vatican, will not allow them to be incardinated here.
Fr. Ron Rolheiser in Canada and the priests of his Oblate School of Theology, Texas, USA have no problem in Rome. Incardination is easy. Since they interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise and so reject EENS.
Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke and Fr.John Zuhsldorf are allowed to offer the Latin Mass at the FSSP church. Since they interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise and inference and so create an artificial rupture with Tradition( EENS, Syllabus of Errors etc).
I was a seminarian at the Legion of Christ seminary in Rome (PIMME) and then the Beda College, the English pontifical seminary in Rome and within a month had to leave both seminaries.Since I would affirm Feeneyite EENS which meanT I was not interpreting Vatican Council II with the false premise, as was expected by the Vatican and the Left.
Fr. John Zuhsldorf can offer Mass at the Santissima Trinità dei Pellegrini since he politically supports the Bologna School of Alberto Melloni on Vatican Council II. Melloni has appeared on probably every televison channel and he gets a million euros a year,it was reported, from the present Leftist government in Italy.
He uses the false premise to interpret Vatican Council II and then attacks traditional ecumenism and exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.Fr.Zuhlsdorf, has also assured Michael Sean Winters at the National Catholic Reporter that he rejects EENS according to Fr. Leonard Feeney. He rejects a dogma of the Church with an irrationality.He changes the understanding of Vatican Council II with an irrationality.
FALSE PREMISE CREATES PARALLEL CHURCH
Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, if he came out of hiding, could technically offer the Latin Mass at Santissma Trinita dei Pellegrini, since he interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise and this is politically acceptable for the Left in Rome.
There is a parallel Church in Rome and every one follows it who interprets Vatican Council II with a non rational premise to bring about a rupture with the past Magisterium, the traditional Catholic Church of the centuries.-Lionel Andrades
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