Integrated Community (Integrierte Gemeinde) like Pope Benedict is teaching theology at the John Lateran and Regina Apostolurum University, Rome with the false interpretation of Vatican Council II

 

 

Pope Benedict has distanced himself from the Integrated Community (Integrierte Gemeinde), Munich, which he granted canonical status.Much of their liberalism was based on Vatican Council II. Like Pope Benedict they interpreted the Council with the false premise as does the Catholic Church in Germany today.

Pope Benedict has disassociated himself from the group which has set up a Cathedra at the St. John Lateran University.Their communties have been approved by  bishops in Germany, Austria, Italy and Tanzania.

The Integrated community's post graduate Distance Learning “Theology of the People of God – The Jewish-Christian Profile” is based upon the irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II.The course is offered in German and English.

In 1977, the community was  recognized as a public church association,by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger the Archbishop of Munich and Freising.They interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise and accept the conclusion, which is a rupture with Tradition. This is unlike the Society of St. Pius X which interprets Vatican Council II with the same false premise but rejects the liberal conclusion and so was not granted canonical status.They did not affirm liberal doctrine, accepted by Pope Benedict.

The Chair  called "Cattedra per la Teologia del Popolo di Dio" was set up at the Lateran University in Rome in 2008.In 2016 they started the  post-graduate distance learning module "The Profile of the Jewish Christian".They interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise and is approved by the Jewish Left and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican. 

 

Prof.Ludwig Weimer

Ludwig Weimer a member of the student group Joseph Ratzinger / Pope Benedict XVI, since its founding,  became the founding director of the newly founded Chair  "Academy for the Theology of the People of God". The work of this Academy continues since 2009  at the Pastoral Institute Redemptor Hominis of the Pontifical Lateran University.

Since the CIC community interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise they support a New Ecumenism and reject the traditional ecumenism of return.With the false premise there emerge alleged exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus, in Vatican Council II for CIC theologians. 

They also rejected the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with reference to Judaism and exclusive salvation being there only in the Catholic Church.

The liberal Cushingite faculty, or collaborators, as they are called are:-

 All collaborators are associated with the Catholic Integrated Community (CIC) which made close co-ordination possible.

Short biographies and bibliographies of the collaborators:

• Prof. Dr. Achim Buckenmaier (Dogmatics, Director of the Chair)
• Prof. Dr. Michael P. Maier (Old Testament)
• Prof. Dr. Ludwig Weimer (Fundamental Theology and Dogmatics, Director 2008-2011)
• Prof. Dr. Gerhard Lohfink (New Testament)
• Dr. habil Arnold Stötzel (early Church History and Patrology)
• Priv. Doz. Dr. Tamás Czopf (Dogmatics)
• Dr. Hans Hubert Klein (New Testament)
• Pastor Emeritus Wolfgang Blech (Ecumenism)
• Bruno Alber (Art History)
• Dr. Bernhard Koch (Dogmatics)

It is interesting to note that Prof. Achim Buckenmaier (*1959), Director of the Chair for the Theology of the People of God, is a  consultor to the Pontifical Council for Promoting the New Evangelization and to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, with the approval of Pope Benedict.

Pope Francis has approved the Distance Learning Program at the Roman University.

A Postgraduate certificate in Joseph Ratzinger: Studies and Spirituality is also being offered by the Legion of Christ university Regina Apostolurum in Rome.

According to their website:

The module “Joseph Ratzinger in Dialog” explains the importance of this issue for him. Dialog with the Jewish tradition, with Lutherans, with other religions, with the modern world and with the theology of liberation will be treated. Participating experts include Prof. Eamonn O’Higgins L.C. and Prof. Achim Buckenmaier.

 

The Integrated Community (Integrierte Gemeinde) like Pope Benedict is teaching theology at the John Lateran and Regina Apostolurum University, Rome with the false interpretation of Vatican Council II and this is officially approved by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.- Lionel Andrades 

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9780230114760_8

https://www.upra.org/offerta-formativa/facolta/teologia/ratzinger/

Without the false premise the Church will be evangelical.It will return to traditional Mission doctrine

 Without the false premise the Church will be evangelical.It will return to traditional Mission doctrine.. -Lionel Andrades

With one stroke we can take the Church's salvation theology and ecclesiology in general back to the Church Fathers and the Doctors of the Church. We are just one premise-away

 With one stroke we can take the Church's salvation theology and ecclesiology in general back to the Church Fathers and the Doctors of the Church. We are just one premise-away. - Lionel Andrades

Tell Massimo Faggioli that there are no objective exceptions to EENS mentioned in Vatican Council II and he does not deny it. Tell him hypothetical cases of LG 8, LG 16, UR 3, GS 22 etc, are not practical exceptions to the Athanasius Creed which says all need to be Catholic for salvation, and he will not deny it. Tell him there is no rupture with Tradition in Vatican Council II he will not deny it. Tell him that he is a traditionalist too, since he affirms Vatican Council II with there being no rupture with Tradition, and he will keep silent

 Tell Massimo Faggioli that there are no objective exceptions to EENS mentioned in Vatican Council II and he does not deny it.

Tell him hypothetical cases of LG 8, LG 16, UR 3, GS 22 etc, are not practical exceptions to the Athanasius Creed which says all need to be Catholic for salvation, and he will not deny it.

Tell him there is no rupture with Tradition in Vatican Council II he will not deny it.

Tell him that he is a traditionalist too, since he affirms Vatican Council II with there being no rupture with Tradition, and he will keep silent. -Lionel Andrades

Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise, create a rupture with Tradition in general and so ecclesiology is changed.This makes Cardinal Walter Kasper to ask : if ecclesiology can be changed with Vatican Council II interpreted like Burke and Schneider, then why cannot everything be changed in the Catholic Church.

 Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise, create a rupture with Tradition in general and so ecclesiology is changed.This makes Cardinal Walter Kasper  to ask : if ecclesiology can be changed with Vatican Council II interpreted like Burke and Schneider, then why cannot everything be changed in the Catholic Church.. -Lionel Andrades

Cardinal Walter Kasper has asked - if ecclesiology can be changed with Vatican Council II ( interpreted with a false premise) then why cannot the Eucharist be given to the married and divorced ? Now Pope Francis and Fr. James Martin sj are interpreting Vatican Council II with the false premise and are practically and pastorally supporting homsexual unions, as if they are not mortal sins

 Cardinal Walter Kasper has asked - if ecclesiology can be changed with Vatican Council II ( interpreted with a false premise) then why cannot the Eucharist be given to the married and divorced ? Now Pope Francis and Fr. James Martin sj are interpreting Vatican Council II with the false premise and are practically and pastorally supporting homsexual unions, as if they are not mortal sins.. - Lionel Andrades

The Italian Bishops Conference (CEI) has asked for photographs of 'stable communities' at the Latin Mass. Even the Neo Catechumenal Way of Kiko Arguello has stable communities in some parishes and they interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise, like the priests and laity at the stable communities at Holy Mass in Latin or Italian in the churches

 The Italian Bishops Conference (CEI)  has asked for photographs  of 'stable communities' at the Latin Mass. Even the Neo Catechumenal Way of Kiko Arguello has  stable communities in some parishes and they interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise, like the priests and laity at the stable communities at Holy Mass in Latin or Italian in the churches.. -Lionel Andrades

Siamo Noi - Marito, padre, nonno e sacerdote: la mia storia di vocazione

The Novus Ordo Watch supported Bishop Donald Sanborn in the debate on Ecclesiology with Prof. Robert Fastiggi and did not note that both were using the false premise to interpret Vatican Council II and were arguing from that mistaken and irrational position

 

The Novus Ordo Watch supported Bishop Donald Sanborn in the debate on Ecclesiology with Prof. Robert Fastiggi and did not note that both were using the false premise to interpret Vatican Council II and were arguing from that mistaken and irrational position. -Lionel Andrades

The Bishops have reported to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the survey does not mention that the Latin Mass is held with the New Theology and this creates the traditionalist-liberal division and labels.Without the false premise the theology of the Latin Mass, the Novus Ordo Mass or the Neo Catehechumenal Mass is the same and traditional. The theology of the Mass in all rites would be the same as the Traditional Latin Mass of the 16th century

 

The Bishops have reported to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the survey does not mention that the Latin Mass is held with the New Theology and this creates the traditionalist-liberal division and labels.Without the false premise the theology of the Latin Mass, the Novus Ordo Mass or the Neo Catehechumenal Mass is the same and traditional.

The theology of the Mass in all rites  would be the same as the Traditional Latin Mass of the 16th century.

This point was overlooked by Dr. Joseph Shaw in his review in the magazine of the FIUV: Gregorius Magnus 10.   -Lionel Andrades

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has gone sour.They officialy support heresy and schism when they interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise and do not deny it

 The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has gone sour.They officialy support heresy and schism when they interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise and do not deny it. -Lionel Andrades

Siamo infelici perché abbiamo messo Dio alla porta

Like Jim Likoudis and Catholics United for the Faith, Pope Francis and Pope Benedict intepret Vatican Council II with a false premise

Like Jim Likoudis and Catholics United for the Faith, Pope Francis and Pope Benedict  intepret Vatican Council II with a false premise. -Lionel Andrades

  

https://jameslikoudispage.com/jlindex.htm

Bishop Kevin Rhoades, the Chairman of the USCCB Doctinal Committee, interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise. His error is there on line as proof.No one questions him about it

 Bishop Kevin Rhoades, the Chairman of the USCCB Doctinal Committee, interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise. His error is there on line as proof.No one questions him about it. -Lionel Andrades

 JANUARY 19, 2012

CANON LAWYER IN INDIANA NEEDS TO BE ASKED : IS BISHOP KEVIN RHOADES JURIDICALLY A CATHOLIC ?

Evidence of the Fort Wayne Bend bishops denial of the Catholic Faith is on a website.

Canon Lawyer Fr. Mark Gurtner (Judicial Vicar of the Diocese of Fort Wayne-South Bend in Indiana) said, it was reported on the internet, that the jurisdiction of the case against Real Catholic TV.com lies in the Indiana diocese whose bishop is Kevin Rhoades.

Bishop Kevin Rhoades when he was the bishop of Harrisburg, Pennsylavia had also asked apologist Robert Sungenis to remove the name 'Catholic' from this website Catholic Apologetics International (CAI).The issue was the Jewish Left.

Bishop Kevin Rhoades also approved a website Robert Sungenis and the Jews and provided statements to Michael Forrest which are still there on this anti-Sungenis website.

I had asked three questions of Bishop Rhoades and also written to other priests hoping they would answer them and so diffuse the tension at that time.The three questions were posted on the website Robert Sungenis and the Jews but were not answered. There was no answer also from ishop Kevin Rhoades. Robert Sungenis called Bishop Rhoades and Catholics United for the Faith, Steubenville, heretics.

According to Canon Law a bishop is a juridical person and has to be a Catholic. He is obliged to affirm the teachings of the Catholic Church.If Bishop Rohades does not affirm the faith when asked it is a denial.

1. Bishop Kevin Rhoades  is denying an ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (Outside the Church No Salvation). http://catholicism.org/category/outside-the-church-there-is-no-salvation

2. He is refusing to say that Judaism and other religions are not paths to salvation.

3. He is refusing to say that Jews need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation (to avoid Hell).

4. The Bishop in Indiana is assuming that those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are defacto known to us in the present times, since he considers them exceptions to the dogma and other magisterial teachings.

5. Bishop Kevin Rhoades is assuming that there is some magisterial text which claims that those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are defacto exceptions to the dogma outside the church there is no salvation.

This is all contrary to Vatican Council II (LG 14, AG 7), Dominus Iesus 20, extra ecclesiam nulla salus as explained by popes and Church Councils in the ordinary and extraordinary mode etc.

Bishop Kevin Rhoades offers Holy Mass when it is a mortal sin to reject an ex cathedra dogma. He denies Church teachings on other religions and yet calls himself a ‘Catholic’.

He uses his office to tell those who are faithful to the very teachings he rejects, not to use the word Catholic i.e apologists Robert Sungenis and Michael Voris.

The denial of the faith is there in the four points he mentions to Michael Forrest on the website Robert Sungenis and the Jews. http://sungenisandthejews.blogspot.com/2008/02/bishop-rhoades-sets-record-straight_21.html

The Canon Lawyer from Indiana who has said that the jurisdiction over the Real Catholic.TV.com lies in the diocese of Fort-Wayne South Bend where Marc Brammar the owner of Real Catholic TV.com lives, could also let us know if Bishop Kevin Rhoades has the right to juridically call himself a Catholic and to offer Holy Mass.
-Lionel Andrades


BISHOP KEVIN RHOADES DENIES THE CATHOLIC FAITH
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/01/bishop-kevin-rhoades-denies-catholic.html

JEWISH CATHOLIC DAY OF REFLECTION TODAY

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/01/jewish-catholic-day-of-reflection-day.html

Will Bishops Allen Vigneron and Kevin Rhoades give permission for a website against Michael Vorris?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/01/will-bishops-allen-vigneron-and-kevin.html

Questions for the Canon Lawyers:Can Archbishop Allen Vigneron and Bishop Kevin Rhoades be considered Catholic if they refuse to affirm in public the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/01/questions-for-canon-lawyers-can.html

It's a Free Country.. : A Catholic who rejects a defined dogma like outside the church no salvation is automatically excomunicated. He has no right to use the word 'Catholic'.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/01/its-free-country.html

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FRIDAY, JUNE 26, 2020

Bishop Kevin Rhoades uses the false premise to interpret Vatican Council II: UCCB Notification on Fr. Peter C.Phan limited

The St.Benedict Center, Still River , MA, USA is in full communion with the Church since they interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise. All religious communities throughout the world are expected to do the same.

Similarly Msgr. Todd Lajiness, the Rector at the Sacred Heart Major seminary , Detroit, USA  interprets Vatican Council Ii with the false premise to create a rupture with Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and all the professors of theology there are expected to do the same, to keep their teaching job.

Latin Mass Societies, Una Voce International, Lepanto Foundation are doing the same.They are recognised as Catholic institutions by the CDF and the Left.

Bishop Kevin Rhoades, Chairman of the USCCB, Doctrinal Committee, 1 also uses the false premise to interpret Vatican Council II.So he creates a rupture with the traditional teaching on the Church having exclusive salvation. 
The USCCB some time back had issued a Notification 2 on Fr. Peter C. Phan. The Notification  did not ask him to believe that every one needed to be a member of the Catholic Church for salvation.
Why was he not asked ?
Since the Letter of the Holy Office 1949(LOHO) used a false premise to interpret BOD, BOB and I.I  to create a false break with traditional EENS, in the Fr. Leonard Feeney case.This is accepted by the USCCB. The popes and cardinals and bishops have compromised.

Brother Thomas Augustine MICM, Superior Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, St. Benedict Center, Still River, MA,in the Diocese of Worcester, has also compromised and Bishop Robert McManus,  has approved a full communion status for the SBC in the diocese.
-Lionel Andrades


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OCTOBER 12, 2019

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops(USCCB) and Joe Biden, a Democrat Catholic Presidential candidate for the USA elections next year interprets Vatican Council II deceptively and heretically and this is being overlooked by the Chairman of the USCCB Doctrinal Committe Bishop Kevin Rhoades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/10/the-united-states-conference-of.html

2

https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=7931

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/03/in-frpeter-cphan-notification-was-usccb.html

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 SEPTEMBER 24, 2018

Bishop Kevin Rhoades, the new Chairman of the USCCB Doctrinal Committe has made a doctrinal mistake (Graphics)

-Lionel Andrades

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 SEPTEMBER 23, 2018

Things are so bad on doctrine and theology in the Catholic Church that the new Chairman of the Unites States Catholic Conference of Bishops(USCCB) cannot deny what I have written.

Things are so bad on doctrine and theology in the Catholic Church that the new Chairman of the Unites States Catholic Conference of Bishops(USCCB) cannot deny what I have written.1

He will not affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) as it was known to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century.

He agrees with me?!

1.Practically there are no known people saved outside the Catholic Church with the baptism of desire(bod), baptism of blood(BOB) and in invincible ignorance(I.I). The Holy Office 1949 made a mistake in the Fr. Leonard Feeney case.

2.Common sense tells us that BOD, BOB and I.I are not physically visible cases and neither did the popes and saints over the centuries claim that they are.

3.In general people will agree that BOD,BOB and I.I refer to hypothetical cases only.

There is no denial also from Bishop Kevin Rhoades, the new Chairman of the USCCB Doctrinal Committee regarding the error he made in the interpretation of Vatican Council II.

In his  radio program this month he mentions  'elements of sanctification and truth'(Lumen Gentium 8)  as if it is an example of known salvation outside the Church and so an exception to the dogma EENS.This is irrational.It violates the Principle of Non Contradiction. How can we see people saved on earth ? How can they be in two places at the same time?
How can his new theology say outside the Church there is salvation.Where is this salvation?

1.Practically there are no known people saved outside the Church with 'elements of sanctification and truth'.So the Council Fathers at Vatican Council II picked up the error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.

2.The text of Lumen Gentium 8 does not state that there are physically visible non Catholics saved outside the Church.So a wrong inference is made by Bishop Rhoades.

3.Common sense tells us it is a reference to a hypothetical case. It is speculation with good will.

So it was wrong for Bishop Kevin Rhoades to interpret Vatican Council II (LG 8 etc) as a rupture with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century.

There is no denial from the USCCB or Bishop Rhoades. No one wants to correct me.

So they know that I am correct and they do not want to say anything.-Lionel Andrades

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SEPTEMBER 22, 2018

LUMEN GENTIUM 8 AND BOD,BOB AND I.I ARE HYPOTHETICAL AND THEORETICAL AND ARE NOT EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA EENS. YET FOR BISHOP KEVEN RHOADES THEY ARE EXCEPTIONS.THIS IS A BIG MISTAKE OF THE USCCB DOCTRINAL COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN

HTTP://EUCHARISTANDMISSION.BLOGSPOT.COM/2018/09/SO-LUMEN-GENTIUM-8-AND-BODBOB-AND-II.HTML

 SEPTEMBER 22, 2018

Lumen Gentium 8 and BOD,BOB and I.I are hypothetical and theoretical and are not exceptions to the dogma EENS. Yet for Bishop Keven Rhoades they are exceptions.This is a big mistake of the USCCB Doctrinal Committee Chairman

Bishop Kevin Rhoades, the new Chairman of the USCCB Doctrinal Committee makes an error in the interpretation of Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
In his recent radio program he cites Lumen Gentium 8, 'elements of sanctification and truth', as if it is an example of known salvation outside the Church and so an exception to the dogma EENS.
This is irrational.

1.Practically there are no known people saved outside the Church with 'elements of sanctification and truth'.

2.The text of Lumen Gentium 8 does not state that there are physically visible non Catholics saved outside the Church.

3.Common sense tells us it is a reference to a hypothetical case. It is speculation with good will, something hoped for.

Neither is Nostra Aetate an exception to   the dogma no salvation outside the Church.

MISTAKE ON EENS TOO

Similarly he will not affirm EENS as it was known to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century.

He made a mistake again.

1.Practically there are no known people saved outside the Catholic Church with the baptism of desire(bod), baptism of blood(BOB) and in invincible ignorance(I.I). We cannot see or meet any one saved as such in 2018 or over the last 100 years.The Holy Office 1949 made a mistake in the Fr. Leonard Feeney case.

2.Common sense tells us that BOD, BOB and I.I are not physically visible cases and neither do the popes and saints claim they are.The Catechism of Pope Pius X mentions being saved in invincible ignorance and does not state that it refers to someone known. Similtaneously this Catechism says all need to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation and it does not mention any exceptions.

3.In general people will say that BOD,BOB and I.I refer to hypothetical cases.

So Lumen Gentium 8 and BOD,BOB and I.I are hypothetical and theoretical and are not exceptions to the dogma EENS.

Yet for Bishop Keven Rhoades they are exceptions.This is a big mistake.

-Lionel Andrades

SEPTEMBER 22, 2018

 

Vatican Council II supports traditional EENS and Bishop Kevin Rhoades, like Cardinal Donald Wuerl and Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, cannot say it http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/09/vatican-council-ii-supports-traditional.html 

SEPTEMBER 21, 2018

Bishop Kevin Rhoades, the new Chairman of the USCCB Doctrinal Committee in his radio program makes the same doctrinal error as Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj at the Placuet Deo Press Conference http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/09/bishop-kevin-rhoades-new-chairman-of.html

 SEPTEMBER 21, 2018 

 

When Bishop Kevin Rhoades infers that Lumen Gentium and Nostra Aetate say we know of non Catholics saved outside the Church it is irrational and heretical: Vatican Council II does not contradict traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/09/when-bishop-kevin-rhoades-infers-that.html

Bishop who interprets Vatican Council II and outside the Church with no salvation with irrational Cushingism instead of traditional Feeneyism is the new Chairman of the USCCB Doctrinal Committee http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/09/bishop-who-interprets-vatican-council.html

SEPTEMBER 16, 2018

Cardinal Donald Wuerl and the USCCB Doctrinal Committee, chaired by Archbishop William E.Lori, made an objective error in the Notification on Fr. Peter C.Phan  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/09/cardinal-donald-wuerl-and-usccb.html

SEPTEMBER 14, 2018

 

Vatican Council II says extra ecclesiam nulla salus 

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/09/vatican-council-ii-says-extra-ecclesiam.html

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Vatican Council II supports traditional EENS and Bishop Kevin Rhoades, like Cardinal Donald Wuerl and Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, cannot say it.

   

Bishop Rhoades, like his predecessor Donald Wuerl as the Chairman of  the USCCB Doctrinal Committee is maintaining the duplicity on Vatican Council II and no one is complaining. 

Lumen Gentium 8, 'elements of sanctification and truth' in other religions does not refer to known people saved outside the Catholic Church. It is not an example of salvation outside the Church. 

  

1.Practically there are no known people saved outside the Church with elements of sanctification and truth. 

2.The text of Lumen Gentium 8 does not state that there physically visible non Catholics saved outside the Church. 

3.Common sense tells us it is a reference to a hypothetical case. It is speculation with good will, something hoped for. 

Neither is Nostra Aetate an exception to  o salvation outside the Church.    

We can respect non Catholics, we can treat them with dignity we can even serve them in love as Jesus wants us to do so but in charity we must tell them the truth i.e Nostra Aetate no where contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). 

  

Literally  we cannot know of any exception to EENS. The text of Nostra Aetate does not state that there are practically known exceptions to EENS.

 Nostra Aetate 2 refers to a hyopthetical case when it refers to ' a ray of that Truth which enlightens'. This is an abstract reference.

A theoretical possibility, a hope of someone being saved outside the Church is not an actual and known case. So it cannot be an objective example of salvation outside the Church.

It is the same with Lumen Gentium  and Ad Gentes, they do not contradict the dogma EENS as it was known to the missionaries and Magisterium in the 16th century.

Vatican Council II supports traditional EENS and Bishop Kevin Rhoades, like Cardinal Donald Wuerl and Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, cannot say it.-Lionel Andrades

SEPTEMBER 21, 2018

Bishop Kevin Rhoades, the new Chairman of the USCCB Doctrinal Committee in his radio program makes the same doctrinal error as Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj at the Placuet Deo Press Conference http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/09/bishop-kevin-rhoades-new-chairman-of.html

SEPTEMBER 21, 2018

When Bishop Kevin Rhoades infers that Lumen Gentium and Nostra Aetate say we know of non Catholics saved outside the Church it is irrational and heretical: Vatican Council II does not contradict traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/09/when-bishop-kevin-rhoades-infers-that.html

SEPTEMBER 21, 2018

When Bishop Kevin Rhoades infers that Lumen Gentium and Nostra Aetate say we know of non Catholics saved outside the Church it is irrational and heretical: Vatican Council II does not contradict traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/09/when-bishop-kevin-rhoades-infers-that.html

http://connecticutcatholiccorner.blogspot.com/2018/07/how-can-dogma-change.html#disqus_thread

SATURDAY, OCTOBER 12, 2019

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops(USCCB) and Joe Biden, a Democrat Catholic Presidential candidate for the USA elections next year interprets Vatican Council II deceptively and heretically and this is being overlooked by the Chairman of the USCCB Doctrinal Committe Bishop Kevin Rhoades

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops(USCCB) and Joe Biden, a Democrat Catholic  Presidential candidate for the USA elections next year interprets Vatican Council II deceptively and heretically and this is being overlooked by the Chairman of the USCCB Doctrinal Committe Bishop Kevin Rhoades.1

LG 8, LG 14 and LG 16) being hypothetical cases do not contradict the old ecclesiology. There is no known salvation outside the Church. So there is no theological and philosophical foundation for the New Theology of the USCCB.

There is nothing in Lumen Gentium to contradict the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church. So there is no philosophical and theological foundation in Vatican Council II for the New Ecclesiology of the USCCB.

Unitatis Redintigratio does not name any particular person saved outside the Church as a Protestant or other Christian in his religion.It does not state that we can know of a Christian saved outside the Church without Catholic faith. So the Decree on Ecumenism(UR) does not anywhere contradict the past ecumenism of return.The USCCB is in error here too.

Similarly Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation and we know there can be no practical exceptions known to us humans in 2019. So Vatican Council II is not a rupture with Mission and Salvation as it was known to the Magisterium and missionaries in the 16th century.

Ludwig Ottt assumes unknown cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood (BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) were known exceptions to the traditional interpetation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The same mistake was made by Fr. Francois Laisney.Other writers made this mistake and also interpreted Vatican Council II irrationally. The same error is being made today by the Cardinals and bishops at the Amazon Synod and the USCCB.

-Lionel Andrades

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 SEPTEMBER 24, 2018

Bishop Kevin Rhoades, the new Chairman of the USCCB Doctrinal Committe has made a doctrinal mistake (Graphics)

-Lionel Andrades

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 SEPTEMBER 23, 2018

Things are so bad on doctrine and theology in the Catholic Church that the new Chairman of the Unites States Catholic Conference of Bishops(USCCB) cannot deny what I have written.

Things are so bad on doctrine and theology in the Catholic Church that the new Chairman of the Unites States Catholic Conference of Bishops(USCCB) cannot deny what I have written.1

He will not affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) as it was known to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century.

He agrees with me?!

1.Practically there are no known people saved outside the Catholic Church with the baptism of desire(bod), baptism of blood(BOB) and in invincible ignorance(I.I). The Holy Office 1949 made a mistake in the Fr. Leonard Feeney case.

2.Common sense tells us that BOD, BOB and I.I are not physically visible cases and neither did the popes and saints over the centuries claim that they are.

3.In general people will agree that BOD,BOB and I.I refer to hypothetical cases only.

There is no denial also from Bishop Kevin Rhoades, the new Chairman of the USCCB Doctrinal Committee regarding the error he made in the interpretation of Vatican Council II.

In his  radio program this month he mentions  'elements of sanctification and truth'(Lumen Gentium 8)  as if it is an example of known salvation outside the Church and so an exception to the dogma EENS.This is irrational.It violates the Principle of Non Contradiction. How can we see people saved on earth ? How can they be in two places at the same time?
How can his new theology say outside the Church there is salvation.Where is this salvation?

1.Practically there are no known people saved outside the Church with 'elements of sanctification and truth'.So the Council Fathers at Vatican Council II picked up the error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.

2.The text of Lumen Gentium 8 does not state that there are physically visible non Catholics saved outside the Church.So a wrong inference is made by Bishop Rhoades.

3.Common sense tells us it is a reference to a hypothetical case. It is speculation with good will.

So it was wrong for Bishop Kevin Rhoades to interpret Vatican Council II (LG 8 etc) as a rupture with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century.

There is no denial from the USCCB or Bishop Rhoades. No one wants to correct me.

So they know that I am correct and they do not want to say anything.-Lionel Andrades

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SEPTEMBER 22, 2018

LUMEN GENTIUM 8 AND BOD,BOB AND I.I ARE HYPOTHETICAL AND THEORETICAL AND ARE NOT EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA EENS. YET FOR BISHOP KEVEN RHOADES THEY ARE EXCEPTIONS.THIS IS A BIG MISTAKE OF THE USCCB DOCTRINAL COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN

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 SEPTEMBER 22, 2018

Lumen Gentium 8 and BOD,BOB and I.I are hypothetical and theoretical and are not exceptions to the dogma EENS. Yet for Bishop Keven Rhoades they are exceptions.This is a big mistake of the USCCB Doctrinal Committee Chairman

Bishop Kevin Rhoades, the new Chairman of the USCCB Doctrinal Committee makes an error in the interpretation of Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
In his recent radio program he cites Lumen Gentium 8, 'elements of sanctification and truth', as if it is an example of known salvation outside the Church and so an exception to the dogma EENS.
This is irrational.

1.Practically there are no known people saved outside the Church with 'elements of sanctification and truth'.

2.The text of Lumen Gentium 8 does not state that there are physically visible non Catholics saved outside the Church.

3.Common sense tells us it is a reference to a hypothetical case. It is speculation with good will, something hoped for.

Neither is Nostra Aetate an exception to   the dogma no salvation outside the Church.

MISTAKE ON EENS TOO

Similarly he will not affirm EENS as it was known to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century.

He made a mistake again.

1.Practically there are no known people saved outside the Catholic Church with the baptism of desire(bod), baptism of blood(BOB) and in invincible ignorance(I.I). We cannot see or meet any one saved as such in 2018 or over the last 100 years.The Holy Office 1949 made a mistake in the Fr. Leonard Feeney case.

2.Common sense tells us that BOD, BOB and I.I are not physically visible cases and neither do the popes and saints claim they are.The Catechism of Pope Pius X mentions being saved in invincible ignorance and does not state that it refers to someone known. Similtaneously this Catechism says all need to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation and it does not mention any exceptions.

3.In general people will say that BOD,BOB and I.I refer to hypothetical cases.

So Lumen Gentium 8 and BOD,BOB and I.I are hypothetical and theoretical and are not exceptions to the dogma EENS.

Yet for Bishop Keven Rhoades they are exceptions.This is a big mistake.

-Lionel Andrades

SEPTEMBER 22, 2018

 

Vatican Council II supports traditional EENS and Bishop Kevin Rhoades, like Cardinal Donald Wuerl and Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, cannot say it http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/09/vatican-council-ii-supports-traditional.html 

SEPTEMBER 21, 2018

Bishop Kevin Rhoades, the new Chairman of the USCCB Doctrinal Committee in his radio program makes the same doctrinal error as Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj at the Placuet Deo Press Conference http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/09/bishop-kevin-rhoades-new-chairman-of.html

 SEPTEMBER 21, 2018 

 

When Bishop Kevin Rhoades infers that Lumen Gentium and Nostra Aetate say we know of non Catholics saved outside the Church it is irrational and heretical: Vatican Council II does not contradict traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/09/when-bishop-kevin-rhoades-infers-that.html

Bishop who interprets Vatican Council II and outside the Church with no salvation with irrational Cushingism instead of traditional Feeneyism is the new Chairman of the USCCB Doctrinal Committee http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/09/bishop-who-interprets-vatican-council.html

SEPTEMBER 16, 2018

Cardinal Donald Wuerl and the USCCB Doctrinal Committee, chaired by Archbishop William E.Lori, made an objective error in the Notification on Fr. Peter C.Phan  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/09/cardinal-donald-wuerl-and-usccb.html

SEPTEMBER 14, 2018

 

Vatican Council II says extra ecclesiam nulla salus 

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/09/vatican-council-ii-says-extra-ecclesiam.html

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Vatican Council II supports traditional EENS and Bishop Kevin Rhoades, like Cardinal Donald Wuerl and Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, cannot say it.

   

Bishop Rhoades, like his predecessor Donald Wuerl as the Chairman of  the USCCB Doctrinal Committee is maintaining the duplicity on Vatican Council II and no one is complaining. 

Lumen Gentium 8, 'elements of sanctification and truth' in other religions does not refer to known people saved outside the Catholic Church. It is not an example of salvation outside the Church. 

  

1.Practically there are no known people saved outside the Church with elements of sanctification and truth. 

2.The text of Lumen Gentium 8 does not state that there physically visible non Catholics saved outside the Church. 

3.Common sense tells us it is a reference to a hypothetical case. It is speculation with good will, something hoped for. 

Neither is Nostra Aetate an exception to  o salvation outside the Church.    

We can respect non Catholics, we can treat them with dignity we can even serve them in love as Jesus wants us to do so but in charity we must tell them the truth i.e Nostra Aetate no where contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). 

  

Literally  we cannot know of any exception to EENS. The text of Nostra Aetate does not state that there are practically known exceptions to EENS.

 Nostra Aetate 2 refers to a hyopthetical case when it refers to ' a ray of that Truth which enlightens'. This is an abstract reference.

A theoretical possibility, a hope of someone being saved outside the Church is not an actual and known case. So it cannot be an objective example of salvation outside the Church.

It is the same with Lumen Gentium  and Ad Gentes, they do not contradict the dogma EENS as it was known to the missionaries and Magisterium in the 16th century.

Vatican Council II supports traditional EENS and Bishop Kevin Rhoades, like Cardinal Donald Wuerl and Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, cannot say it.-Lionel Andrades

SEPTEMBER 21, 2018

Bishop Kevin Rhoades, the new Chairman of the USCCB Doctrinal Committee in his radio program makes the same doctrinal error as Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj at the Placuet Deo Press Conference http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/09/bishop-kevin-rhoades-new-chairman-of.html

SEPTEMBER 21, 2018

When Bishop Kevin Rhoades infers that Lumen Gentium and Nostra Aetate say we know of non Catholics saved outside the Church it is irrational and heretical: Vatican Council II does not contradict traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/09/when-bishop-kevin-rhoades-infers-that.html

SEPTEMBER 21, 2018

When Bishop Kevin Rhoades infers that Lumen Gentium and Nostra Aetate say we know of non Catholics saved outside the Church it is irrational and heretical: Vatican Council II does not contradict traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/09/when-bishop-kevin-rhoades-infers-that.html

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