The Minim priests pretend, with the support of their Superiors,that LG 16, GS 22 etc refer to physically visible people.Then they do not have to affirm the past missionary ecclesiology of Alphonse Ratisbonne, Theodore Ratisbonne, St. Maximillian Kolbe and St. Francis of Paula.

There was the feast of the Miraculous Medal last Wednesday and I found myself kneeling below the statue of St. Maximilian Kolbe, near the Altar of the Miracle, in the Basilica of San Andrea delle Fratte, Rome.The church was full.They prayed the full four Mysteries of the Rosary. All four Mysteries, one after another.They have been doing this on every 27th of the month, at the basilica.

For me it was just like at Medugorje.

After every one of the 20 decades there would be a prayer calling upon Our Lady to help us convert.She was Our Lady of Conversion.

By conversion they meant a change of heart towards God, in all aspects of life.

They could even have meant a conversion into the Catholic Church, to escape Hell, as St. Maximillian Kolbe and Alphonse Ratisbonne would teach.

When there is a true conversion of heart in a non Catholic, he will enter the Catholic Church and remain in it to avoid Hell. 

The Gospel of John 3:16-18 says all  need to convert to Jesus and into the Church his Mystical Body. Vatican Council II says all need to convert with faith and baptism(AG 7).The Catechisms say all need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation(1257,845,846)

Alphonse Ratisbonne converted into the Catholic Church and so did his brother Theodore. They became missionaries and priests.

Our Lady showed Alphonse Ratisbonne the beauty and importance of the Catholic  Church for the salvation of all people.He converted at that moment, near the Altar of the Miracle in the church, where I was kneeling.

Our Lady did not tell Ratisbonne that he only needed to believe in Jesus and he could remain a Jew.

She showed him the importance of being a member of the Catholic Church.

But for the Minim Fathers, of St. Francis of Paola, at the basilica, every one does not need to convert into the Catholic Church.Invisible cases of LG 16, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II are visible exceptions, to St. Francis of Paola's teaching on there being exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church.

How can invisible people be visible exceptions to all needing to enter the Church for salvation? I once asked an Italian Minim priest at the basilica.

Where are the people saved in invincible ignorance(LG 16) or with good will(GS 22) outside the Church?, I asked him.

For him too faith and baptism was the norm for salvation. He agreed.But for him there still were practical exceptions to the norm.This was non traditional and irrational for me. He contradicted the Bible( John 3:5, Mark 16:16) and the popes over the centuries.This was not the theology of Catherine Laboure,when Our Lady asked her to have a Miraculous Medal made.

She held the strict interpretation of EENS and she could not see someone saved in invincible ignorance or with good will outside the Church.Physically it was not possible.

So the Minim priests pretend, with the support of their Superiors,that LG 16, GS 22 etc refer to physically visible people.Then they do not have to affirm the past missionary ecclesiology of Alphonse Ratisbonne,  Theodore Ratisbonne, St. Maximillian Kolbe and St. Francis of Paula.-Lionel Andrades

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A New Ecclesiology based upon there being exceptions to EENS has to be rejected by Cardinal Raymond Burke.

If there are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) then they would have to be visible since invisible people cannot be exceptions.Someone who is not there cannot be an example of salvation outside the Church.So when the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I), are projected as exceptions to the strict interpretatioin of EENS, it is implied, that they refer to physically visible and personally known people. Otherwise how could they be exceptions?

Do you personally know of someone saved outside the Church in 2019? No.

Can you meet or see such a person? No.

When the popes and saints mentioned BOD, BOB and I.I were there known exceptions to EENS, in particular people? No.

When Vatican Council II mentions LG 16 ( invincible ignorance), LG 14 ( case of the unknown catechumen who dies before receiving the baptism of water and is saved) are they practical exceptions to EENS? No.

 

Are LG 8, UR 3, NA 2,GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, are exceptions to EENS? No.

So Cardinal Raymond Burke could clarify that he is a rational human being and for him BOD,BOB and I.I are not exceptions to the strict 16th- century- interpretation of EENS. 

Also LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II does not contradict  the past ecclesiology. Since there is no known salvation outside the Church, in personal cases, in the present times.

There are none mentioned in Unitatis Redintigratio. So there can only remain an ecumenism of return.

A New Ecclesiology based upon there being exceptions to EENS has to be rejected by Cardinal Raymond Burke.-Lionel Andrades 

November 29, 2019

Cardinal Raymond Burke's Oath of Fidelity as a bishop is meaningless since he interprets Vatican Council II with an irrationality.This false premise creates a rupture with de fide teachings of the Church.It results in heresy, which is an impediment to offering Mass. He does not issue a denial to end the scandal.To change the meaning of the Creeds, Catechism and Vatican Council II with alleged visible cases of BOD,BOB and I.I is heresy and a mortal sin. It is schism with the past popes. To offer Mass in this condition would be a sacrilege. 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/cardinal-raymond-burkes-oath-of.html

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Cardinal Raymond Burke's Oath of Fidelity as a bishop is meaningless since he interprets Vatican Council II with an irrationality.This false premise creates a rupture with de fide teachings of the Church.It results in heresy, which is an impediment to offering Mass. He does not issue a denial to end the scandal.To change the meaning of the Creeds, Catechism and Vatican Council II with alleged visible cases of BOD,BOB and I.I is heresy and a mortal sin. It is schism with the past popes. To offer Mass in this condition would be a sacrilege.

 

Cardinal Raymond Burke's Oath of Fidelity as a bishop is meaningless since he interprets Vatican Council II with an irrationality.This false premise  creates a rupture with de fide teachings of the Church.It  results in heresy, which is an impediment to offering Mass. He does not issue a denial to end the scandal.To change the meaning of the Creeds, Catechism and Vatican Council II with alleged visible cases of  BOD,BOB and I.I is heresy and a mortal sin. It is schism with the past popes. To offer Mass in this condition would be a sacrilege.

He has interpreted Vatican Council II and EENS irrationally and so is in a rupture with the past Magisterium. He confuses what is invisible as being visible.He has rejected the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX on outside the Church there is no salvation, a exclusivist ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return and the necessity for the proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King.

He projects BOD, BOB and I.I as exceptions to EENS. This changes the interpretation of the Nicene and Apostles Creed . This is first class heresy.The Nicene Creed for him would be saying 'I believe in three or more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church'. In the Apostles Creed, when it is said 'I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church', for him it would mean, 'I believe in the Holy Spirit which teaches the Church that outside the Church there is known salvation, there is known salvation and so documents which affirm the traditional teaching on outside the Church there is no salvation should be made obsolete.'

If there was no known salvation outside the Church for him he would be affirming Feeneyite EENS. If there were no exceptions to the dogma EENS for him he would be affirming the strict interpretation of EENS according to the 16th century priests at the Traditional Latin Mass.But for him there are exceptions to EENS.

Cardinal Burke was ordained to the priesthood by Pope Paul VI  who interpreted Vatican Council II irrationally too, even though there was a rational choice.

The irrational interpretation of the Council was maintained by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger and the 1983 Cod of Canon Law supports the irrationality.

For Cardinal Raymond Burke BOD, BOB and I.I refer to physically visible cases since they are exceptions to EENS for him. Invisible cases cannot be exceptions to EENS. For him there are known non Catholics saved outside the Church. 

Only if there are known non Catholics saved outside the Church can there be exceptions  to EENS. 

But such people will only be known to God.They are not part of our reality. They are not physical bodies in Newton's time and space.

They cannot be exceptions to exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. This was the mistake made also by Pope Paul VI and it was repeated by the popes who followed.-Lionel Andrades 

 TERMS CLARIFIED 

 BOD( Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved and now in Heaven)

BOB (Baptism of Blood. The case of unknown person who is in Heaven as a martyr without the baptism of water)

I.I (Invincible ignorance: The case of an unknown non Catholics who is in Heaven without faith and baptism and instead in invincible ignorance.)

LG 8 ( Lumen Gentium 8: The case of the unknown person saved outside the Church with 'elements of sanctification and truth' or where the true Church of Christ allegedly subsists.

 LG 14 (Lumen Gentium 14:  Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved and now in Heaven)

LG 16 ( Lumen Gentium 16: The case of the unknown person saved outside the Church in invincible ignorance and who is now in Heaven without faith and the baptism of water) 

UR 3 (Unitatitis Redintigratiio 3, Vatican Council II : The case of the unknown Christian, who is saved in his religions without Catholic faith or the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and is allegedly known to someone on earth who has seen him or her in Heaven).

NA 2(  Nostra Aetate 2: The case of  the unknown non Catholic saved outside the Catholic Church without faith and baptism. He or she is saved with good and holy things in other religion or with the a ray of that Truth which enlightens all mankind.

GS 22 (Gaudium et Specs 22. The case of the unknown non Catholic who is saved outside the Catholic Church. He or she is saved without faith and baptism but with goodwill.

FALSE PREMISE DEFINED 

Their false premise is:-

1. Invisible people are visible.

2.Unknown case of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are personally known.

3.The unknown case of the catechumen who desired the baptism of water but dies before he received it and is saved, is a personally known person.

4.There is known salvation outside the Catholic Church for us human beings.

5.We can see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water.

6.We can physically see non Catholics in Heaven and on earth who are saved without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).

7.There are non Catholics who are dead- men visible and walking  who are saved outside the Church.

8.There are known people in invincible ignorance through no fault of their own, who are saved.

9.There are some Anglicans and Protestants whom we know who are going to Heaven even though they are outside the Catholic Church.

10.There are some non Catholics whom we know, who are dead, and now are in Heaven, even though they were not Catholic.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/bradley-eli-at-church-militant-tv-uses.html

 With the false premise there are 'objective exceptions' to EENS. There are visible exceptions to the Athanasius Creed, the Nicene Creed is changed, there is a new understanding of the Nicene Creed etc :-

1. The Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation is contradicted.

2. The Nicene Creed in which we say, 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' over the centuries referred  to only one known baptism, the baptism of water.The baptism of desire etc cannot be given to someone like the baptism of water.But now the understanding is ' I believe in three or more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins ( desire,blood and ignorance) and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church'.

3. The Apostles Creed says ' we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church'. Over the centuries it was understood that the Holy Spirit guided the Catholic Church and taught that there was no salvation outside the Church.Now  unknown cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, and LG 8, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, are assumd to be objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

4.In the past three Church Councils defined the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) in the extraordinary Magisterium .It was an 'infallible teaching' for Pope Pius X( Letter of the Holy Offie 1949).Now it is obsolete with their being alleged known salvation outside the Church.
5.Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are interpreted with the false premise so they become a rupture with EENS( Feeneyite), the Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc.

6.With the false premise the Catechism of Pope Pius X contradict itself. It affirms the strict interpretation of EENS while invincible invincible ignorance is intepreted as referring to personally known non Catholics saved outside the Chuch.Invincible ignorance is not seen as a hypothetical case only.

7.Redemptoris Missio, Dominus Iesus, Ecclesia in Asia, Balamand Declaration  etc were all written upholding the false premise. They did not support exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. So in a subtle way they contradicted EENS(Feeneyite), the Athanasius Creed etc. They did not support the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.They are Christological without the traditional ecclesiocentric ecclesiology. It's Christ without the necessity of membership in the Catholic Church for salvation.
8. Traditional mission based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church is rejected. Since with the false premise, there is salvation outside the Church.
9.Inter faith marriages which are not Sacraments are common held.It is no more adultery. Since the non Catholic spouse could be saved outside the Church it is assumed. A posibility which could only be known to God is assumed to be a practical exception to EENS and a literally known case of salvation outside the Church in a personal case.
10. There is a new heretical ecclesiology at Holy Mass in all the rites and liturgies. The Latin Mass today does not have the same exclusivist ecclesiology of the Tridentine Rite Mass of the missionaries in the 16th century.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/cardinal-reinhold-marx-of-munich.html


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January 26, 2018

Hilary White and Massimo Faggioli interpret the Catechism, Vatican Council II and Letter of the Holy Office with hypothetical cases not being hypothetical : so there is a rupture with Tradition (with graphics)

EXAMPLES OF THE HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN THE CATECHISM FOR THEM WHICH ARE NOT HYPOTHETICAL.
1. 'God is not limited to the Sacraments'(CCC 1257)
'2.all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body'(CC(CCC 846).
3. Those 'justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians'(CCC 818).
4. They are 'joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."(CCC 838).
5. 'the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims'(CCC 841).

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EXAMPLES OF HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN VATICAN COUNCIL II FOR THEM WHICH ARE NOT HYPOTHETICAL.

1. 'elements of sanctification and truth'in other religions(LG 8),
2..'good and holy' things in other religions(NA 2),
3..'a ray of that Truth which enlightens' all men(NA 2),
4.'imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3),
5.' people of good will in other religions'(GS 22),
6.' seeds of the Word'(AG 11),
7.'invincible ignorance'(LG 16),
8.'a good conscience'(LG 16) etc.

HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN THE LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 TO THE ARCHBISHOP O
OF BOSTON WHICH FOR THEM ARE NOT HYPOTHETICAL.

1.Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless refuses to submit to the Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.(We do not know who this person is in particular so it is a hypothetical case.)

2.In His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects, necessary for one to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's final end, not by intrinsic necessity, but only by divine institution, can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used only in desire and longing.(We do not know any one in particular as such so this is a hypothetical case.)

3.Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.( If there is any such person he or she would only be known to God. So this passage is irrelevant to the dogma EENS. It cannot be an exception.Since it is a reference to an invisible person for us.)

4.However, this desire need not always be explicit, as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God.(This is a reference to an unknown catechumen)

 5.For in this letter the Sovereign Pontiff clearly distinguishes between those who are actually incorporated into the Church as members, and those who are united to the Church only by desire.( Again we have a theoretical and hypothetical reference. We do not know who is united to the Church only in desire and will be saved.) -Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/01/hilary-white-and-massimo-faggioli.html

November 28, 2019

For Cardinal Raymond Burke, Archbishop Giacomo Morandi, Bishop Athanasius Schneider, Fr. John Zuhlsdorf, Roberto dei Mattei and numerous others there are visible exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). Visible? But where are they seen ? 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/for-cardinal-raymond-burke-archbishop.html

 

November 27, 2019

The Oath of Fidelity as a Bishop made by Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider was based upon an irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II and so it was false.When Cardinal Burke was appointed by Pope John Paul II to the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura,he did not interpret Vatican Council II rationally. 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-oath-of-fidelity-as-bishop-made-by.html