Don Paulo Boumis, parroco della chiesa di San Agapito, a Roma, sa che ora abbiamo una scelta. Possiamo interpretare il Concilio Vaticano II, irrazionalmente, come Papa Paolo VI, oppure possiamo interpretare il Concilio, razionalmente, come me.

 

Il mio parroco, padre Paulo Boumis, afferma che LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 ecc. nel Concilio Vaticano II si riferiscono a casi ipotetici e invisibili nel 2023. Quindi implica - e concluderebbe - che il Concilio Vaticano II non contraddice il Catechismo della Chiesa Cattolica secondo il quale tutti devono essere membra della Chiesa per la salvezza (845). Non sono note eccezioni per CCC 845, né nella vita pratica. Se qualcuno fosse stato salvato al di fuori della Chiesa, solo Dio lo avrebbe saputo.

 

Quindi per lui LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 ecc., non contraddice anche il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) di Papa Bonifacio VIII (Unam Sanctam). Non c'è quindi alcuna rottura con i missionari del XVI secolo sull'insegnamento tradizionale Fuori della Chiesa non c'è salvezza ( CCC 846).

 

Sono d'accordo con lui i Vescovi Ausiliari di Roma e i teologi dell'Istituto di Teologia Ecclesia Mater, del Vicariato di Roma, così come i sacerdoti delle Missionarie della Carità di Madre Teresa. Non esistono casi fisicamente visibili di LG 8 ecc. Questo è buon senso. Questo è qualcosa di ovvio. Anche uno scolaro e un non cristiano sarebbero d'accordo su questo punto.

 

Se allora venissero interpellati Papa Francesco e il cardinale Victor Manuel Fernandes, anche loro direbbero la stessa cosa, cioè non esistono casi fisicamente visibili di non cattolici salvati fuori della Chiesa con il battesimo di desiderio (LG 14), nell'invincibile ignoranza (LG 16), dove la Chiesa sussiste al di fuori dei suoi confini visibili (LG 8) ecc. Anche la polizia, che sostiene l’agenda di sinistra, sarebbe d’accordo.

 

Quindi per p. Paulo Boumis, e tutti gli altri, Ad Gentes 7 dice che tutti hanno bisogno della fede e del battesimo per la salvezza. Tutto. Mentre LG 8,14, 15. 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 ecc., non fanno eccezione per Ad Gentes 7 e CCC 845, 846.

 

Questo parroco della chiesa di Sant'Agapito a Roma, vicino Termini, sta affermando il Concilio Vaticano II e il Catechismo della Chiesa Cattolica, a differenza della Fraternità San Pio X. Li interpreta razionalmente, cioè i casi invisibili sono invisibili nel 1965-2023 . LG 16 ecc. si riferiscono ad una persona invisibile. Quindi LG 16 non può essere un'eccezione per l'ecclesiocentrismo del Medioevo, dei Padri della Chiesa e degli Apostoli. Ci vuole qualcuno per essere un'eccezione.

Secondo padre Federico Montani, il sacerdote della FSSPX che offre la Messa in latino nella cappella della FSSPX a Roma, la FSSPX non accetta il Concilio Vaticano II e il Catechismo della Chiesa Cattolica. Tuttavia il Superiore distrettuale della FSSPX, Albano, Italia, padre Louis Sentagne, ha detto che i seminaristi della FSSPX ad Albano, vengono mandati a studiare nelle università pontificie di Roma. L'insegnamento in queste università si basa sull'accettazione dell'interpretazione irrazionale del Concilio Vaticano II e del Catechismo della Chiesa Cattolica secondo cui le persone invisibili sono fisicamente visibili, quindi Lumen Gentium 16 si riferisce a un non cattolico conosciuto e visibile nel 2023. Sono salvati senza la fede cattolica e il battesimo dell'acqua e quindi sono eccezioni per il dogma EENS, che diventa obsoleto. Il Concilio Vaticano II diventa una rottura con la Tradizione.

 Fr. Paulo Boumis sa che ora abbiamo una scelta.

 Possiamo interpretare il Concilio Vaticano II, irra

zionalmente, come Papa Paolo VI, oppure possiamo

interpretare il Concilio, razionalmente, come me. 

– Lionel Andrades

NOVEMBER 18, 2023
Fr. Paulo Boumis, parish priest at the church San Agapito, Rome, knows that now we have a choice. We can interpret Vatican Council II , irrationally like Pope Paul VI or we can interpret the Council, rationally, like me.
 


My Parish Priest Father Paulo Boumis says LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to hypothetical and invisible cases in 2023. So he implies - and would conclude - that Vatican Council II does not contradict the Catechism of the Catholic Church which says all need to be members of the Church for salvation (845). There are no known exceptions for CCC 845.Neither are there any known in practical life. If anyone was saved outside the Church it would only be known to God.
So for him, LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, does not also contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) of Pope Boniface VIII( Unam Sanctam). So there is no rupture with the missionaries of the 16th century on the traditional teaching Outside the Church there is no salvation ( CCC 846).
The Auxiliary Bishops of Rome and the theologians at the Ecclesia Mater, institute for theology, at the Rome Vicariate, agree with him and so do the priests of the Missionaries of Charity of Mother Teresa.There are no physically visible cases of LG 8 etc. This is common sense. This is something obvious. Even a school boy and a non Christian would agree here.
So if Pope Francis and Cardinal Victor Manuel Fernandes were asked, they too would say the same  i.e there are no physically visible cases of non Catholics saved outside the Church with the baptism of desire (LG 14), in invincible ignorance (LG 16), where the Church subsists outside its visible boundaries (LG 8) etc.Even the police, who are upholding the leftist agenda, would agree.
So for Fr. Paulo Boumis, and everyone else, Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation. All. While LG 8,14, 15. 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, are not exceptions for Ad Gentes 7 and CCC 845, 846.
This parish priest at the church Sant Agapito, Rome, near Termini, is affirming Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, unlike the Society of St. Pius X.He is interpreting them rationally i.e invisible cases are invisible in 1965-2023. LG 16 etc refer to an invisible person. So LG 16 cannot be an exception for the ecclesiocentrism of the Middle Ages, the Church Fathers and the Apostles.Someone has to be there to be an exception.
According to Father Federico Montani, the SSPX priest who offers the Latin Mass at the SSPX chapel in Rome, the SSPX does not accept Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.However the District Superior of the SSPX , Albano, Italy, Father Louis Sentagne,  has said that the SSPX seminarians at Albano, are sent to study at the pontifical universities in Rome. The teaching, at these universities  is based upon the acceptance of the irrational interpretation  of Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church i.e invisible people are physically visible, so Lumen Gentium 16 refers to a known and visible non Catholic in 2023.They are saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water and so are exceptions for the dogma EENS, which becomes obsolete. Vatican Council II becomes a break with Tradition.
Fr. Paulo Boumis knows that now we have a choice. We can interpret Vatican Council II , irrationally like Pope Paul VI or we can interpret the Council, rationally, like me.  – Lionel Andrades

NOVEMBER 17, 2023
For Father Paulo Boumis there are no physically visible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance but he will continue to have adult catechesis this month in which he will interpret BOD and I.I as being physically visible non Catholics saved outside the Church, in the present times, who are practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is also the theological position of the SSPX and the sedevacantists.
 
OCTOBER 9, 2023
For Father Paulo Boumis there are no physically visible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance but he will continue to have adult catechesis this month in which he will interpret BOD and I.I as being physically visible non Catholics saved outside the Church, in the present times, who are practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is also the theological position of the SSPX and the sedevacantists.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/10/for-father-paulo-boumis-there-are-no.html
 

 
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For Father Paulo Boumis there are no
physically visible cases of the baptism of desire
and being saved in invincible ignorance but he 
will continue to have adult catechesis this month 
in which he will interpret BOD and I.I as 
being physically visible non Catholics saved 
outside the Church, in the present times, 
who are practical exceptions for the 
dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is also
the theological position of the SSPX and
the sedevacantists.


Cardinal Angelo Donatis, Vicar General of the 
Rome Vicariate, and his Auxiliary bishops know 
the same, as does the National 
Catechetical Center, Italy, but they will 
teach Catechism, with this objective error,
since this is what Pope Francis wants, 
in the interpretation of Vatican Council II.
They are not concerned about the truth 
or the faith, but, they are concerned about
the political Left.
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So if I was presenting the Catechism in the parish of Sant Agapito, Rome, I would say outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation and I would cite Ad Gentes 7,
Lumen Gentium 14 and the Catechism of 
the Catholic Church (845,846). For me, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc would not be objective exceptions, for Ad Gentes 7 
and the dogma EENS.
Fr. Paul Boumis avoided a discussion on this subject yesterday morning. He did not say that he would interpret Vatican Council II rationally.
I base what I am saying on Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the priest could tell other religious to avoid me?
Yes. Since the priest will affirm Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church but interpret hypothetical cases of LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc, are referring to objectively visible cases. For me they are invisibile.
For him there are visible examples of 
salvation outside the Church. For me they
are hypothetical only.
For him this refers to known non Catholics saved outside the Church. For me they are invisible cases.
So our premises and inferences are different.
So of course our conclusions would be different, they would be traditional 
or non-traditional.



So if I was presenting the Catechism in the 
parish of Sant Agapito, Rome, I would say 
outside the Catholic Church there is no 
salvation and I would cite Ad Gentes 7,
Lumen Gentium 14 and the Catechism of 
the Catholic Church (845,846). For me, LG 8,
UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc would not be 
objective exceptions, for Ad Gentes 7 
and the dogma EENS.
Fr. Paul Boumis avoided a discussion on this 
subject yesterday morning. He did not say 
that he would interpret Vatican Council
II rationally.
I base what I am saying on Vatican Council II 
and the Catechism of the Catholic Church and 
the priest could tell other religious to avoid me?
Yes. Since the priest will affirm Vatican Council
II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church
but interpret hypothetical cases of LG 8, 14, 
15, 16, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc, are referring
to objectively visible cases. For me they 
are invisible.
For him there are visible examples of 
salvation outside the Church. For me they
are hypothetical only.
For him this refers to known non Catholics 
saved outside the Church. For me they are
invisible cases.
So our premises and inferences are different.
So of course our conclusions would be 
different, they would be traditional 
or non-traditional.
- Lionel Andrades


NOVEMBER 17, 2023
Per Don Paulo Boumis non ci sono casi fisicamente visibili di battesimo di desiderio e di salvezza nell'ignoranza invincibile, ma continuerà oggi ad avere catechesi per adulti in cui interpreterà BOD e I.I come non cattolici fisicamente visibili salvati fuori della Chiesa, in dei tempi attuali, che costituiscono pratiche eccezioni al dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
 
OCTOBER 10, 2023
Per Don Paulo Boumis non ci sono casi fisicamente visibili di battesimo di desiderio e di salvezza nell'ignoranza invincibile, ma continuerà oggi ad avere catechesi per adulti in cui interpreterà BOD e I.I come non cattolici fisicamente visibili salvati fuori della Chiesa, in dei tempi attuali, che costituiscono pratiche eccezioni al dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
 



Per Don Paulo Boumis non ci sono casi fisicamente visibili di battesimo di desiderio e di salvezza nell'ignoranza invincibile, ma continuerà oggi ad avere catechesi per adulti in cui interpreterà BOD e I.I come non cattolici fisicamente visibili salvati fuori della Chiesa, in dei tempi attuali, che costituiscono pratiche eccezioni al dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. 
Per padre Paulo Boumis non ce ne sono casi fisicamente visibili di battesimo di desiderio (BOD) e di essere salvati nell'ignoranza invincibile (I.I), ma continuerà oggi a fare catechesi per adulti in cui interpreterà BOD e I.I come non cattolici fisicamente visibili salvati fuori della Chiesa, nella attuali, che costituiscono eccezioni pratiche al dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Questa è anche la posizione teologica della FSSPX e dei sedevacantisti.
Lo sanno il cardinale Angelo Donatis, vicario generale del vicariato di Roma, e i suoi vescovi ausiliari, come lo sa il Centro catechetico nazionale, Italia, ma insegneranno il catechismo, con questo errore oggettivo, poiché questo è ciò che vuole papa Francesco, nell'interpretazione del Concilio Vaticano II.
Non sono preoccupati per la verità o la fede, ma, la sinistra politica. 
INTERPRETAZIONE RAZIONALE 
Quindi se presentassi il Catechismo nella parrocchia di Sant’Agapito a Roma, direi che fuori dalla Chiesa cattolica non c’è salvezza e citerei Ad Gentes 7,Lumen Gentium 14 e il Catechismo di la Chiesa cattolica (845.846). Per me LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 ecc non sarebbero eccezioni oggettive, per Ad Gentes 7 e il dogma EENS. 
Don Paulo Boumis evita una discussione su questo argomento. Non dice che interpreterà razionalmente il Concilio Vaticano II. 
Baso ciò che dico sul Concilio Vaticano II e sul Catechismo della Chiesa Cattolica. Ma il sacerdote potrebbe dire agli altri religiosi di evitarmi? SÌ. Poiché il sacerdote affermerà anche il Concilio Vaticano II e il Catechismo della Chiesa Cattolica, ma interpreterà i casi ipotetici di LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 ecc., come riferiti a casi oggettivamente visibili. Per me sono invisibili. 
Per lui ci sono esempi visibili di salvezza fuori della Chiesa. Per me loro sono solo ipotetici. 
Per lui si tratta di noti non cattolici salvati fuori dalla Chiesa. Per me sono casi invisibili. 
Quindi le nostre premesse e inferenze sono diverse. Le nostre conclusioni sarebbero diverse, sarebbero tradizionali o non tradizionale. 
LA MIA CATECHESI 
Quindi se presentassi il Catechismo nella parrocchia di Sant’Agapito a Roma, direi che fuori dalla Chiesa cattolica non c’è salvezza e citerei Ad Gentes 7,Lumen Gentium 14 e il Catechismo di la Chiesa Cattolica (845.846). Per me LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 ecc non sarebbero eccezioni oggettive, per Ad Gentes 7 e il dogma EENS. 
Don Paulo Boumis ha evitato una discussione su questo argomento. Non ha detto che avrebbe interpretato razionalmente il Concilio Vaticano II. 
Baso quello che dico sul Concilio Vaticano II e sul Catechismo della Chiesa Cattolica e il sacerdote potrebbe dire ad altri religiosi di evitarmi? SÌ. Poiché il sacerdote affermerà il Concilio Vaticano II e il Catechismo della Chiesa Cattolica ma interpreterà casi ipotetici di LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 ecc., si riferiscono a casi oggettivamente visibili. Per me sono invisibili. 
Per lui ci sono esempi visibili di salvezza fuori della Chiesa. Per me loro sono solo ipotetici. 
Per lui si tratta di noti non cattolici salvati fuori dalla Chiesa. Per me sono casi invisibili. 
Quindi le nostre premesse e inferenze sono diverse. 
Quindi ovviamente le nostre conclusioni sarebbero diverse, sarebbero tradizionali o non tradizionale.
 
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Interpreta il Concilio Vaticano II, i Credo, i Catechismi e i Concili come i Missionari della Carità, uomini e donne, accanto. Quando fanno la Professione Perpetua accettano di essere obbedienti ai loro superiori che interpretano il Concilio Vaticano II ecc., irrazionalmente e in rottura con il Magistero storico. Stanno seguendo Papa Francesco.- Lionel Andrades
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Fr. Paulo Boumis, parish priest at the church San Agapito, Rome, knows that now we have a choice. We can interpret Vatican Council II , irrationally like Pope Paul VI or we can interpret the Council, rationally, like me.

 

My Parish Priest Father Paulo Boumis says LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to hypothetical and invisible cases in 2023. So he implies - and would conclude - that Vatican Council II does not contradict the Catechism of the Catholic Church which says all need to be members of the Church for salvation (845). There are no known exceptions for CCC 845.Neither are there any known in practical life. If anyone was saved outside the Church it would only be known to God.

So for him, LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, does not also contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) of Pope Boniface VIII( Unam Sanctam). So there is no rupture with the missionaries of the 16th century on the traditional teaching Outside the Church there is no salvation ( CCC 846).

The Auxiliary Bishops of Rome and the theologians at the Ecclesia Mater, institute for theology, at the Rome Vicariate, agree with him and so do the priests of the Missionaries of Charity of Mother Teresa.There are no physically visible cases of LG 8 etc. This is common sense. This is something obvious. Even a school boy and a non Christian would agree here.

So if Pope Francis and Cardinal Victor Manuel Fernandes were asked, they too would say the same  i.e there are no physically visible cases of non Catholics saved outside the Church with the baptism of desire (LG 14), in invincible ignorance (LG 16), where the Church subsists outside its visible boundaries (LG 8) etc.Even the police, who are upholding the leftist agenda, would agree.

So for Fr. Paulo Boumis, and everyone else, Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation. All. While LG 8,14, 15. 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, are not exceptions for Ad Gentes 7 and CCC 845, 846.

This parish priest at the church Sant Agapito, Rome, near Termini, is affirming Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, unlike the Society of St. Pius X.He is interpreting them rationally i.e invisible cases are invisible in 1965-2023. LG 16 etc refer to an invisible person. So LG 16 cannot be an exception for the ecclesiocentrism of the Middle Ages, the Church Fathers and the Apostles.Someone has to be there to be an exception.

According to Father Federico Montani, the SSPX priest who offers the Latin Mass at the SSPX chapel in Rome, the SSPX does not accept Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.However the District Superior of the SSPX , Albano, Italy, Father Louis Sentagne,  has said that the SSPX seminarians at Albano, are sent to study at the pontifical universities in Rome. The teaching, at these universities  is based upon the acceptance of the irrational interpretation  of Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church i.e invisible people are physically visible, so Lumen Gentium 16 refers to a known and visible non Catholic in 2023.They are saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water and so are exceptions for the dogma EENS, which becomes obsolete. Vatican Council II becomes a break with Tradition.

Fr. Paulo Boumis knows that now we have a choice. We can interpret Vatican Council II , irrationally like Pope Paul VI or we can interpret the Council, rationally, like me.  – Lionel Andrades

NOVEMBER 17, 2023

For Father Paulo Boumis there are no physically visible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance but he will continue to have adult catechesis this month in which he will interpret BOD and I.I as being physically visible non Catholics saved outside the Church, in the present times, who are practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is also the theological position of the SSPX and the sedevacantists.

 

OCTOBER 9, 2023

For Father Paulo Boumis there are no physically visible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance but he will continue to have adult catechesis this month in which he will interpret BOD and I.I as being physically visible non Catholics saved outside the Church, in the present times, who are practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is also the theological position of the SSPX and the sedevacantists.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/10/for-father-paulo-boumis-there-are-no.html

 

 

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For Father Paulo Boumis there are no physically visible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance but he  will continue to have adult catechesis this month  in which he will interpret BOD and I.I as  being physically visible non Catholics saved  outside the Church, in the present times,  who are practical exceptions for the  dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is also the theological position of the SSPX and the sedevacantists. Cardinal Angelo Donatis, Vicar General of the  Rome Vicariate, and his Auxiliary bishops know  the same, as does the National  Catechetical Center, Italy, but they will  teach Catechism, with this objective error, since this is what Pope Francis wants,  in the interpretation of Vatican Council II. They are not concerned about the truth  or the faith, but, they are concerned about the political Left. https://www.facebook.com/parrocchiasantagapito/photos/pb.100070124363334.-2207520000/2918692911749813/?type=3 So if I was presenting the Catechism in the parish of Sant Agapito, Rome, I would say outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation and I would cite Ad Gentes 7, Lumen Gentium 14 and the Catechism of  the Catholic Church (845,846). For me, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc would not be objective exceptions, for Ad Gentes 7  and the dogma EENS. Fr. Paul Boumis avoided a discussion on this subject yesterday morning. He did not say that he would interpret Vatican Council II rationally. I base what I am saying on Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the priest could tell other religious to avoid me? Yes. Since the priest will affirm Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church but interpret hypothetical cases of LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc, are referring to objectively visible cases. For me they are invisibile. For him there are visible examples of  salvation outside the Church. For me they are hypothetical only. For him this refers to known non Catholics saved outside the Church. For me they are invisible cases. So our premises and inferences are different. So of course our conclusions would be different, they would be traditional  or non-traditional. So if I was presenting the Catechism in the  parish of Sant Agapito, Rome, I would say  outside the Catholic Church there is no  salvation and I would cite Ad Gentes 7, Lumen Gentium 14 and the Catechism of  the Catholic Church (845,846). For me, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc would not be  objective exceptions, for Ad Gentes 7  and the dogma EENS. Fr. Paul Boumis avoided a discussion on this  subject yesterday morning. He did not say  that he would interpret Vatican Council II rationally. I base what I am saying on Vatican Council II  and the Catechism of the Catholic Church and  the priest could tell other religious to avoid me? Yes. Since the priest will affirm Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church but interpret hypothetical cases of LG 8, 14,  15, 16, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc, are referring to objectively visible cases. For me they  are invisible. For him there are visible examples of  salvation outside the Church. For me they are hypothetical only. For him this refers to known non Catholics  saved outside the Church. For me they are invisible cases. So our premises and inferences are different. So of course our conclusions would be  different, they would be traditional  or non-traditional. - Lionel Andrades