Wednesday, December 1, 2021

Augustine di Noia says Yes and Athanasius Schneider says No.Giacomo Morandi says Yes and Andre Marie says No : Latin Movement in the Church are informed


Archbishop Augustine di Noia has criticized traditional movements which emerged in the Catholic Church with the Latin Mass. This was a different Church from that of the Novus Ordo Mass with it Vatican Council II (irrational pegged upon a Fake Premise. This was division for him.

 

The Latin laity for examples in Dijon, France were going back to the traditional exclusive salvation of the Catholic Church by correctly rejecting Vatican Council II ( irrational ); in the Council, interpreted by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF) with a Fake Premise.

Division is really created in the Catholic Church with the Fake Premise. It is the False Premise of Archbishop Di Noia which gives the Church Vatican Council II ( irrational), the Nicene Creed ( irrational), the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( 845,846,847,848,1257-irrationally interpreted), the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24Q,27 Q,29 Q- interpreted irrationally with 29 Q being exceptions for 24Q and 27Q)…

 

Archbishop Di Noia in public informed Brother Andre Marie MICM, Prior, at the St.Benedict Center, Richmond, New Hampshire, USA to look at CCC 847-848 (invincible ignorance) as being visible exceptions for Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).It would be the same for Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance) and Lumen Gentium 14 (the baptism of desire).Bishop Schneider says ‘No’ they are not visible cases in 2021.So it is explicit for Di Noia but implicit for Schneider.

 

 

This is division in the Church which the CDF liberals keep alive with the False Premise. Invisible people are made out to be visible examples of salvation outside the Church. Then the past understanding of Church (mission, salvation, liturgy etc) of the Latin group is called divisive.

If the FSSP or SSPX accepted Vatican Council II with the False Premise and said O.K for the CDF rupture they would be in unity with the liberals.

 

So Di Noia says in an interview with Edward Pentin, that he knows an Anglican, non Catholic who will go to Heaven without Catholic faith. But Schneider indicates that Di Noia cannot judge. The Anglican, still alive, is not a visible example of salvation o outside the Catholic Church.There is no one whom we can know who will go to Heaven with the baptism of desire or invincible ignorance. Only God can know of an exception to the norm.

There are no explicit  cases of St.Thomas Aquinas’ implicit baptism of desire said Dr. Taylor Marshall in the interview with the bishop who is not using the New Theology of the CDF.

 

Archbishops Augustine di Noia and Giacomo Morandi, Secretaries of the CDF were also forcing their political version of Vatican Council II on Brother Andre Marie MICM, confusing what is invisible as being visible. The St. Benedict Center said ‘No’, what is invisible is invisible. So they affirm the old theology of the Catholic Church without the explicit-implicit, objective-subjective, visible-invisible confusion. There are no literal cases for them.

There are no literal cases of the baptism of desire for Bishop Athanasius Schneider and Brother Andre Marie MICM. There are no objective exceptions for the theology of the new traditional movements, which worry Di Noia.

So Vatican Council II (rational ) with LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, not being exceptions for extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( rational) is no more an issue for the traditionalists. It is the CDF and the liberals who have their back to the wall. Massimo Faggioli, ‘the specialist on Vatican Council II’ is quiet with nothing to say. This has become a new issue for the progressivists. They impose a silence upon themselves as they discuss this issue. They can no more cite the Council ( Rational ).They also cannot put down the traditionalists as being schismatics who reject Vatican Council II( irrational).Brother Andre Marie  accepts the Council and extra ecclesiam nulla salus, both interpreted with the Rational Premise. This goes well for informed traditionalists in the new movements and bad for Augustine di Noia and Giacomo Morandi.-Lionel Andrades

https://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/14334/traditional-latin-mass-movement-sows-division-archbishop-says