Saturday, August 25, 2018

Orthodox Priest Cleanses City After Gay March


Orthodox Priest Cleanses City After Gay March

Father Oleg Mokryak, the head of the Orthodox Odessa Diocese Missionary Department, cleansed last Saturday the area of Odessa, Ukraine, where shortly before a gay march had passed by. According to …
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No denial from sedevacantists : they made a mistake all these years : will they return?



I mentioned yesterday that sedevacantists Bishops Donald Sanborn and Mark Pivarunas and Fr. Anthony Cekada make the same mistake as Peter and Michael Dimond. They interpret the Catechisms of Pius X and Trent as a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX. So  the Catechisms mentioned on the website Whispers of Restoration would be out of step with the Syllabus of Errors for all of them.I mailed these blog posts to Peter and Michael at the MHFM but have received no reply.



 Peter and Michael Dimond are telling people to become traditionalist Catholics and they want them to affirm the Catechism of Pope Pius X and the Catechism of Trent which mention the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance I mentioned in the previous blog post.However for Peter and Michael the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) refer to known people saved outside the Church. These are examples, of salvation outside the Church,for them, and so they are rejected.There is no denial from Peter and Michael Dimond.May be they will now give up sedevacantism based on Vatican Council II and affirm the Council in harmony with extra ecclesia nulla salus.

On the other hand the sedevacantist bishops Pivarunas and Sanborn and Fr. Anthony Cekada  accept BOD, BOB and I.I but like Peter and Michael Dimond assume they refer to known people saved outside the Catholic Church. With this false premise the non traditional conclusion which must emerge would be unacceptable,of course, for them.Again there is no denial from these sedevacantists too.


This means however that the Catechism of Pope Pius X for example, becomes a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors on an ecumenism of return.This Catechism would be saying for them that there are known cases of non Catholics saved outside the Church ( which they reject) and so these non Catholics,  could be objective exceptions to the traditional teaching on an ecumenism of return(Syllabus of Errors).They agree with me that they made this mistake. 
It would mean being saved in invincible ignorance in the Catechism of Pope Pius X,  is also an exception to the Council of Trent which supports the old ecclesiology of the Church.This is the confusion which they have overlooked all these years.

Then the Council of Trent refers to the theoretical case of the unknown catechumen saved with the desire for the baptism of water.The Council of Trent does not state that this is a known person saved outside the Church.It can only be a hypothetical case for us humans.This is obvious.The sedevacantists made a mistake here.


However for all these sedevacantists  this case of the catechumen is a known person saved outside the Church.Only because it is a known person they have rejected the baptism of desire as being an exception to EENS. Someone would have to be known and physically visible at some time, to be an exception to EENS. An invisible person cannot be an exception to all needing to enter the Church as a member, for example, in 2018.
So the Council of Trent ( baptism of desire) would be a rupture with the old ecclesiology, for the sedevcantists,  which says all need to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation.The Council of Trent would also be a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors which supports the past ecclesiology.

They still see the case of the catechumen and the theoretical case of the non Catholic saved in invincible ignorance, as objective people. If they were not objective they would not be an exception to the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS.
So since they are objective, the Catechism of Pius X contradicts the Syllabus of Errors while the Catechism of the Council of Trent contradicts the past teaching on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church and all needing to be members for salvation.



As I mentioned in the previous blog post for me BOD, BOB and I.I refer to invisible and hypothetical cases,theoretical speculation with good will and so they are not relevant or exceptions to EENS as it was known to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century. So BOD, BOB and I.I mentioned in the Catechisms( Pius X, Trent etc) do not contradictthe Syllabus of Errors on an ecumenism of return and neither no salvation outside the Church in other religions.


For the sedevancantists and many traditionalists too ( Robert dei Mattei, Michael Matt etc) LG 14( case of the catechumen) and Lumen Gentium 16 ( invincible ignorance) would be explicit and so are exceptions to EENS and the Syllabus of errors. So they reject Vatican Council II.
I do not have to reject Vatican Council II since LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are hypothetical cases only. Always.

So for me Vatican Council II is Feeneyite. It says all need faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7).All. While the references to hypothetical cases in Vatican Council II are not practical exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 or EENS.They can only be hypothetical.In reality they cannot be practical exceptions to EENS since they do not exist in our reality.
Vatican Council II is not a rupture with the Catechisms of Pope Pius X, the Catechism of the Council of Trent or the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX( Quanta Cura).
The sedevacantists violate the Principle of Non Contradiction.If someone is saved with the baptism of desire, with or without the baptism of water, he cannot be seen on earth and also be in Heaven at the same time.

-Lionel Andrades









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