Wednesday, April 17, 2019

Doctrinal Beliefs of the St.Benedict Center with comments : Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church affirm traditional EENS


 

 DOCTRINAL BELIEFS OF THE ST. BENEDICT CENTER
1.The members of the Saint Benedict Center believe with Divine and Catholic Faith all those things contained in the Word of God, written or handed on, that is, in the one Deposit of Faith entrusted to the Church, and at the same time proposed as divinely revealed either by the Solemn Magisterium of the Church or by its Ordinary and Universal Magisterium which is manifested by the common adherence of the Christian faithful under the leadership of the Sacred Magisterium, avoiding any doctrines whatsoever contrary to them.1
Lionel: The present ecclesiastics at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) teach that invisible cases of the baptism of desire(BOD),baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance (I.I) are physically visible examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church. So they are postulated as exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). Similarly for them LG 8, LG 14,LG 16, UR 3 , NA 2, GS 22 etc are also assumed to be exceptions to EENS. So they imply that these are personally known non Catholics saved outside the Church. This is irrational and the conclusion is heretical.This is not the doctrinal position held by the St. Benedict Center(SBC)
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2.We embrace and retain each and every thing which is proposed definitively by the Magisterium of the Church concerning the doctrine of Faith and Morals, that is, each and every thing which is required to safeguard reverently and to expound faithfully the same Deposit of Faith.
It is assumed that the St. Benedict Center interprets physically invisible cases of BOD, BOB and I.I as being physically invisible only. So they are not exceptions to EENS.
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3.We adhere with submission of will and intellect to the teachings which either the Roman Pontiff or the College of Bishops enunciate when they exercise their authentic Magisterium, even if they do not intend to proclaim these teachings by a definitive act.
They of course do not adhere to the Roman Pontiff or the College of Bishops when they assume that unknown cases of BOD, BOB and I.I are personally known exceptions to EENS as it was defined by the three Church Councils.Otherwise like all good Catholics they are obedient.
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4.We believe that Jesus Christ, Son of God, Lord and only Savior, through the event of His incarnation, death and resurrection has brought the history of salvation to fulfillment. We affirm with the Scriptures that “there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).
Yes this is the Christocentric position held by the present two popes. However the SBC also believe that for salvation all need to believe in Jesus in the Catholic Church.Membership in the Catholic Church is necessary for salvation.
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5.We affirm that all salvation comes from Christ through the Church, which is the Body of Christ, the Sacrament of Salvation.
Yes this is the New Theology supported by the present two pontiffs. The pontiffs assume BOD, BOB and I.I are exceptions to EENS and  there is known salvation outside the Church. 
This is expressed in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (846).For the SBC  the New Theology and CCC 846, do not contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS.It is possible for all Catholics to affirm traditional EENS and CCC 846, interpreted with BOD, BOB and I.I being hypothetical.
CCC 846 also cites Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism. The word all is used. There are no  known cases of non Catholics who can be saved or are not saved through the preaching of the Church. This would only be known to God.So all need to enter the Catholic Church to avoid Hell ( for salvation).
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6.We believe and profess to be a dogma of Divine and Catholic Faith that Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus, “Outside the Church there is No Salvation,” and that union with Jesus Christ through His Mystical Body, the Catholic Church, is necessary for salvation by an absolute necessity of means.
It means that for the SBC all need to enter the Catholic Church as members, with Catholic faith and the baptism of water and there are no known exceptions.
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7.We affirm that the dogma “Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus” must be interpreted according to the official doctrine of the Church.
The official doctrine of the Church includes the three Church Councils which defined EENS in the extra ordinary Magisterium and the popes who affirmed it in the ordinary Magisterium.It includes Vatican Council II ( AG 7) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church (845,846 etc) and  Dominus Iesus (20).It includes the Letter of the Holy Office 1949( interpreted with hypothetical cases of BOD, BOB and I.I not being exceptions to EENS as referred to in the first part of the Letter), Catechism of Pope Pius X ( with BOD, BOB and I.I referring to invisible cases only), Mystici Corporis etc ( with BOD, BOB and I.I not being exceptions to EENS).
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8.We affirm that all must hold that the Church is necessary for salvation.
Yes all must affirm that the Church is necessary for salvation always and there are no literal cases of BOD, BOB and I.I in 2019.
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9.We affirm that this doctrine must not be set against the universal salvific will of God.
Yes according to Dominus Iesus.It says salvation is open to all but to receive this salvation all need to enter the Church. The Catholic Church is necessary for salvation.All need to enter it as in the Ark of Noah at the time of the deluge.(CCC 845).
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10.We believe that the supernatural virtue of Faith is necessary for salvation by an absolute necessity of means. This is true even if, in ways known to Himself, God can lead men ignorant of the Gospel without their fault to the Faith, without which it is impossible to please Him. This theological virtue is always concomitantly infused with the grace of justification.
Yes and they believe that all in general need to enter the Catholic Church with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water.There can be no known exceptions for us human beings. So there are no cases of people personally known who are saved in ignorance of the Gospel.It is only God who can know when a particular person is justified. 
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11.We believe that the Sacrament of Baptism is necessary for salvation by a relative necessity of means.We likewise affirm: “All, therefore, must be converted to Him, made known by the Church’s preaching, and through Baptism be incorporated into Christ and into His Church, which is His body.”
They believe that every one needs the Sacrament of Baptism for salvation, with no practical exceptions.
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12.We believe that “The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude.”For this reason, in the practical realm of moral action, it is our duty to proclaim the necessity of the sacrament of Baptism by which we are saved.
They affirm the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1257 Necessity of Salvation) and in the practical realm do not know any one who is saved outside the Catholic Church because 'God is not limited to the Sacraments' (CCC 1257).
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13.We affirm that those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and His Church have the possibility of obtaining eternal salvation. This proposition is affirmed in conjunction with all of the other conditions sine qua non for salvation explicitly narrated in the Epistula ad Archiepiscopum Bostoniensem of 8 August 1949 referenced in footnote n. 342 of the CCC, which themselves are referenced as extracted from the Encyclical Letter Mystici Corporis Christi of Pope Ven. Pius XII, namely: 1) perfect Charity (“perfecta caritate”) and 2) Supernatural Faith (“fidem supernaturalem”).Such souls can and must be united to Jesus Christ through his Mystical Body, the Catholic Church.
They refer here to possibilities known only to God.Personally they do not know of any one saved in invincible ignorance, outside the Church in the present times. This can only be known to God.So a possibility is not an exception to EENS for them. This is also how they interpret Mystici Corporis etc. If it is possible that there were some people saved in invincible ignorance this year, it is also possible that there were none.
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14.Ignorance of Christ and His Church does not excuse one from all fault. One is obligated to follow the natural law. It should be recalled that invincible ignorance of Christ and His Church does not confer either justification or salvation.Only a merciful God, acting as efficient cause, can confer justification and salvation. As Pope Bl. Pius IX has admonished, it is “unlawful” (nefas) to try to discern the boundaries of invincible ignorance extant among diverse peoples.
For the SBC all need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation and there are no known cases of being saved in invincible ignorance.We cannot say that any particular person is exempt from entering the Catholic Church for salvation, due to ignorance.
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15.When non-Catholics die, we leave them to God’s mercy. The Father has given all judgment to the Son (cf. John 5:22), and He is the Just Judge.
Yes it is only God who will judge in individual cases however they believe the norm for salvation is faith and the baptism of water(AG 7, LG 14).So most people are oriented to Hell since they die without faith and baptism.This is the teaching of the Church in Vatican Council II (AG 7) and the dogma EENS.These Magisterial documents indicate that when we meet a non Catholic we know that he or she is oriented to Hell.Since faith and baptism(AG 7, LG 14, CCC 845,846 etc) is the only known way of salvation for us.
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16.We believe in God’s particular Providence for all of His elect, in keeping with the principle laid down by Saint Thomas Aquinas: “For it pertains to Divine Providence to furnish everyone with what is necessary for salvation, provided that on his part there is no hindrance.”
All need to enter the Catholic Church with faith and baptism with no known exceptions of ignorance, in the practical realm.
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17.We affirm that for non-Christians, salvation in Christ is accessible [“patens”] by virtue of a grace, which, coming from Christ and communicated by the Holy Spirit, has a relationship with the Church, and is bestowed by God in ways known to God Himself.
This is not postulated as a known exception to the dogma EENS. Since practically there are no such people known to us who could be examples of salvation outside the Church.
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18.How God Almighty chooses to exercise His omnipotence in “difficult cases” is not ours to say. In keeping with the teaching of Pope Bl. Pius IX in Singulari Quadam, referenced above, it is not for man, a mere creature, to “arrogate” to himself such judgments. And, as the Holy Father says in that same Allocution, “let us hold most firmly that, in accordance with Catholic teaching, there is ‘one God, one faith, one baptism”’ [Eph. 4:5].”24 Hence the importance we attach to preaching the necessity of sacramental Baptism and joining the Catholic Church without exception.
For the SBC Sacramental Baptism and joining the Catholic Church with no personally known exceptions, is necessary according to the dogma EENS, Vatican Council II, the Catechisms and the Creeds.This is the teaching of the Sacred Magisterium before and after Vatican Council II.This is the teaching of Sacred Tradition when BOD, BOB and I.I and LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are interpreted rationally.
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19.We hold, as a theological opinion only, that, since Pentecost, God Almighty can and does incorporate all the elect into His Mystical Body by actual sacramental Baptism.
Vatican Council II says that the Catholic Church is the New People of God (Nostra Aetate 4). Catholics are the New Chosen People. All need the Sacrament of Baptism in the Catholic Church for salvation.The Catholic Church is the Mystical Body of Jesus.Members of Christian denominations need to formally enter the Catholic Church for salvation.
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20.We affirm that the Church certainly has a perennial obligation and sacred right to evangelize all men.
In this evangelization it is important to affirm that invisible cases of the BOD,BOB and I.I and LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are not visible and cannot be objective exceptions to EENS. This is intepreting Vatican Council II rationally.It supports the past exclusive ecclesiology of the Church,an ecumenism of return and the Syllabus of Errors.The Council is Feeneyite.Even the popes and saints over the centuries were Feeneyite.They affirmed the strict interpretation of EENS and BOD, BOB and I.I were not exceptions.
Evangelisation is presently done by the National Office for Missionary Cooperation among the churches, Via Aurelia,  Rome.They assume that there are known exceptions to EENS.BOD, BOB and I.I and LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to personally known people saved outside the Catholic Church. So 'the red is an exception to the blue', 1 for them. Upon this irrationality, which creates new doctrines, they have mission programs but not to convert other Christians.Other Christians are assumed to be already saved.So in joint mission programs they proclaim Jesus to others without the necessity of membership in the Catholic Church or the moral values of the only Church Jesus founded. This is approved by the CDF and the present two popes.So with visible- for- them BOD, BOB and I.I they have subtly changed traditional Catholic theology.
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21.We believe that subjection to the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Jesus Christ, is necessary for salvation by a necessity of divine precept.
Yes.However when the pontiff teaches an irrationality to change the understanding of the Creeds, Catechisms, EENS and Vatican Council II then it is rejected as heresy.It is also an impediment to offering Holy Mass for a priest.This is first class heresy and the scandal is now known to many people.
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22.Dialogue with members of other religions can never substitute the mission of the Church, called to bring salvation to all.
In dialogue members of other religions would be told that they are all oriented to Hell with no known exceptions, unless they enter the Catholic Church with faith and baptism ( AG 7, LG 14).They also need to obey the moral teachings of the Church and avail of the Sacraments to avoid Hell.-Lionel Andrades


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Comments on Michael Voris' visit to the St. Benedict Center the same as Christine Niles Mic'd Up program on extra ecclesia nulla salus

The comments on Michael Voris' historic visit to the St.Benedict Center, New Hampshire, USA are the same as those a few years back on Christine Niles Mic'd Up program on the subject of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).They have not been corrected since then by Church Militant TV.
1.Christine Niles cited the Letter of the Holy Office 1949(LOHO) and assumed the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) are exceptions to EENS.
2.The experts whom she had on the program were Cushingites.They interpreted Vatican Council II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church and other magisterial documents with Cushingism ( invisible people are visible).At the same time they would go back to the dogma EENS as it was defined by the popes and saints.
We now know that a conservative Catholic can be a Feeneyite or Cushingite and affirm all magisterial documents. The Society of St.Pius X are generally Cushingites. 
Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was a Cushingite.Pope Pius XII's Mystici Corporis etc can be interpreted with Cushingism or Feeneyism.However Pope Pius XII did not support Fr.Leonard Feeney in public and so came across as a Cushingite.
Vatican Council II is Cushingite(LG 14 etc)  but it can be re-interpreted  with Feeneyism ( hypothetical cases are just hypothetical and so are not objective exceptions to EENS) .Church Militant Tv continues to interpret EENS with BOD, BOB and I.I being exceptions. So they are Cushingite here.
They also interpret Vatican Council II and EENS with Cushingism.
With Vatican Council II and the Catechisms contradicting EENS, when interpreted with Cushingism, Church Militant TV then just goes back to the dogma EENS, as the popes and saints taught it over the centuries.They do not mention Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church. This is also the approach of the sedevacantists and many traditionalists and conservative Catholics.
The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Diocese of Manchester reject EENS based on Vatican Council II (Cushingite).While Brother Andre Marie MICM, affirms EENS (Feeneyite) with Vatican Council II (Feeneyite), which is not a rupture with Tradition(ecumenism of return, Syllabus of Errors, past ecclesiogy etc).
-Lionel Andrades



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Comments on Michael Voris' visit to the St. Benedict Center repeat common misconceptions

In the comments on videos  with Michael Voris at the St. Benedict Center, in New Hampshire, the same points are repeated by the commentators.
1.It is assumed that Feeneyites reject the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I).This is not true.1
2.It is assumed that the Holy Office 1949 was correct when it considered BOD,BOD and I.I as exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.
3. BOD, BOB and I.I are not exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and so Fr. Leonard Feeney was correct in saying there are no practical exceptions to EENS. So he was not obliged to go to Rome to defend himself. This is not understood by many.
4.Since BOD, BOB and I.I are exceptions to EENS for most people, the Catechism of the Catholic Church 847-848 etc, seem to contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS and also the St. Benedict Center in their interpretation of  EENS.
5.Others support Fr. Leonard Feeney  and the dogma EENS without citing Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic, when interpreted rationally. Vatican Council II is not a rupture with Feeneyite EENS.
6.Generally the difference between Cushingism and Feeneyism is unknown.The SSPX are Cushingites and so a rupture with Tradition is created by them.
 These six points need to be corrected .The error in the interpretation of Magisterial documents can also then end.The error is there from Redemptoris Missio to Placquet Deo.
Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, without the error, are Feeneyite and so support the St.Benedict Center. 
This is reading Vatican Council II rationally,without the false premise. Then there are only orthodox text in the Council which support EENS. While the Cushingite passages are neutral to EENS.So no more are there for and against EENS passages in Vatican Council II.
It is only with Cushingism are there for and against EENS passages in Vatican Council II. Since the false premise is used when reading the text.-Lionel Andrades  

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April 16, 2019


Feeneyites do not reject the Baptism of Desire 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/04/feeneyites-do-not-reject-batptism-of.html

April 16, 2019


A Catholic can be a Feeneyite and also affirm CCC 847-848 : CDF Secretaries error can be read on line 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/04/a-catholic-can-be-feeneyite-and-also.html



April 16, 2019


Excommunication of Fr. Leonard Feeney was false :no known exceptons to EENS 

 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/04/excommunication-of-fr-leonard-feeney.html


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