Thursday, August 5, 2021

The SSPX has to show Pope Francis that his interpretation of Vatican Council II is schismatic and so would be unacceptable and that they choose a rational and non traditional version

 

The SSPX has to show Pope Francis that his interpretation of Vatican Council II is schismatic and so would be unacceptable and that they choose a rational and non traditional version.

So the SSPX would be in schism, as the media states, if they did not accept Vatican Council II. But there are two interpretations of Vatican Council II. One is rational and the other irrational. One is with the false premise and the other without it.Pope Francis and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith refer to the irrational version.

So the SSPX simply has to affirm the rational version and tell Pope Francis and the CDF to do the same.Otherwise they would be in schism.

With their false premise, there would be the expected break with the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), the Athanasius Creed with no known exceptions and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX with no known exceptions.Now there is a break with the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24 Q,27Q-other religions, need for conversion) and the Council of Trent ( exclusive salvation).

The SSPX must realize that the interpretation of Vatican Council II with the false premise cannot be Magisterial.Since the Holy Spirit cannot make an objective mistake and confuse invisible cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, etc are being examples of salvation in 2021 and so them project them as practical exceptions to EENS etc.

So under no condition must the SSPX accept Pope Francis’ irrational and schismatic version of Vatican Council II when the rational and non schismatic is available.Check the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II on the Internet ( Blog eucharistandmission ).

Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise to create a false rupture with Tradition and he calls it the work of the Holy Spirit, in the Letter which accompanies Traditionis Custode.

A recent stage of this dynamic was constituted by Vatican Council II where the Catholic episcopate came together to listen and to discern the path for the Church indicated by the Holy Spirit. To doubt the Council is to doubt the intentions of those very Fathers who exercised their collegial power in a solemn manner cum Petro et sub Petro in an ecumenical council, and, in the final analysis, to doubt the Holy Spirit himself who guides the Church.- Letter of Pope Francis which accompanies Traditionis Custode(Emphasis added)

 https://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/letters/2021/documents/20210716-lettera-vescovi-liturgia.html

How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake and use a false premise to interpret LG 14( baptism of desire) and LG 16( invincible ignorance),for example ?

For me LG 14 and LG 16 refer to hypothetical and theoretical cases always. They are always speculative and not real people saved outside the Church in the present times, 1965-2021. This is something obvious.

How can LG 14, LG 16 etc be exceptions to EENS, the Athanasius Creed and Syllabus of Errors ? Yet this is how he is interpreting Vatican Council II and it is different from the rational way I interpret the Council.I interpret the Council with the rational premise ( invisible people are invisible) and consider it Magisterial.Since it is not a rupture with the past Magisterium. Pope Francis cannot say the same.

The SSPX could simply affirm Vatican Council II without the fake premise and also come back to Tradition, since Tradition would not be contradicted with Vatican Council II, with the rational premise.So they should tell Pope Francis that his interpretation of Vatican Council II is irrational and schismatic.He has to switch to the rational one for them to accept the Council.-Lionel Andrades



AUGUST 5, 2021

Singing for the Masons

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/singing-for-masons.html


AUGUST 5, 2021

France needs to accept the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II then at every Holy Mass in the French language, the only rational choice will be the Tridentine exclusivist ecclesiology of the past.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/france-needs-to-accept-lionel-andrades.html

AUGUST 5, 2021

John Henry Weston in a follow up program to the one on outside the Church there is no salvation , has to clarify, since Catholics are confused, that, there is an extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) with the baptism of desire(BOD) and invincible ignorance(I.I) being exceptions and there is an EENS with BOD and I.I not being exceptions. The EENS with BOD and I.I being exceptions is the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) version and the EENS with BOD and I.I not being exceptions is the St. Benedict Centers(SBC) version.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/john-henry-weston-in-follow-up-program.html


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Repost : Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise to create a false rupture with Tradition and he calls it the work of the Holy Spirit, in the Letter which accompanies Traditionis Custode.

  AUGUST 4, 2021

Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise to create a false rupture with Tradition and he calls it the work of the Holy Spirit, in the Letter which accompanies Traditionis Custode.

 





 A recent stage of this dynamic was constituted by Vatican Council II where the Catholic episcopate came together to listen and to discern the path for the Church indicated by the Holy Spirit. To doubt the Council is to doubt the intentions of those very Fathers who exercised their collegial power in a solemn manner cum Petro et sub Petro in an ecumenical council,  and, in the final analysis, to doubt the Holy Spirit himself who guides the Church.- Letter of Pope Francis which accompanies Traditionis Custode(Emphasis added)

 https://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/letters/2021/documents/20210716-lettera-vescovi-liturgia.html

Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise to create a false rupture with Tradition and he calls it the work of the Holy Spirit, in the Letter which accompanies Traditionis Custode.

How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake and use a false premise to interpret LG 14( baptism of desire) and LG 16( invincible ignorance),for example ?

For me LG 14 and LG 16 refer to hypothetical and theoretical cases always. They are always speculative and not real people saved outside the Church in the present times, 1965-2021. This is something obvious.

How can LG 14, LG 16 etc be exceptions to EENS, the Athanasius Creed and Syllabus of Errors ? Yet this is how he is interpreting Vatican Council II and it is different from the rational way I interpret the Council and consider it Magisterial, since it is not a rupture with the past Magisterium. Pope Francis cannot say the same.-Lionel Andrades






Lionel Andrades
Promoter of the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II.For him the Council is dogmatic and not only pastoral.
Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.
It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.
There can be two interpretations.
Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, non traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional ?
Blog: Eucharist and Mission (eucharistandmission )
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AUGUST 4, 2021

Poland and Hungary need to adopt the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/poland-and-hungary-need-to-adopt-lionel.html

AUGUST 4, 2021

The Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II is not a break with Tradition. Pope Francis' interpretation of Vatican Council II in Traditionis Custode is a rupture with 'the true Church' and the past Magisterium on EENS, Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/the-lionel-andrades-interpretation-of.html


France needs to accept the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II then at every Holy Mass in the French language, the only rational choice will be the Tridentine exclusivist ecclesiology of the past.

 

France needs to accept the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II then at every Holy Mass in the French language, the only rational choice will be the Tridentine exclusivist ecclesiology of the past.

‘Rome will have come back to the Faith’, as Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre wanted.

We go back to the exclusivist ecclesiology of the French Vendees. Since there will be no exception to the past ecclesiology of the Church found in Vatican Council II.LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2,GS 22 etc will be hypothetical and no more confused as being practical and known examples of salvation outside the Church in 1965-2021.

We go back with one simple action, i.e choosing the rational premise, to the understanding of Church of the times of the St. Joan of Arc. This will be at every Holy Mass and not only those in Latin.-Lionel Andrades




MAY 4, 2021

France 3 censure un magazine sur Jeanne d’Arc / French public TV cancels Joan of Arc film over conservative journalist’s involvement

 


https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/french-public-tv-cancels-joan-of-arc-film-over-conservative-journalists-involvement

SUNDAY, APRIL 25, 2021

France needs another Joan of Arc for the next elections. She would interpret all Magisterial documents with the rational premise, inference and conclusion and ask the French people to do the same. Cardinals and bishops will oppose her

  

France needs another Joan of Arc for the next elections. She would interpret all Magisterial documents  with the rational premise, inference and conclusion and ask the French people to do the same. Cardinals and bishops will oppose her. -  Lionel Andrades

Lionel Andrades
Catholic lay man in Rome,
Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.
It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.There can be two interpretations.
Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, non traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional ?
Blog: Eucharist and Mission
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France needs another Joan of Arc She would tell the French cardinals and bishops to resign if they are afraid to interpret Vatican Council II with the rational premise, inference and conclusion, Le Pen and Macron too

France needs another Joan of Arc.The angels of course, would have to teach the new one, too, Catholic theology. She would tell the French cardinals and bishops to resign if they are afraid to interpret Vatican Council II with the rational premise, inference and conclusion. Le Pen and Macron should do the same if they call themselves Catholic. -Lionel Andrades

Singing for the Masons

Fr.John Zuhsldorf has posted Peter Kwasniewski’s talk at Denver  on his blog and this is appreciated by the liberals and Masons.Kwasniewski and Zuhsldorf interpret Vatican Council II as a break with Tradition, a break with ‘the true Church’.

They are not saying that without the false premise, LG 8, LG 16 etc do not contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).

Kwasniewski does not interpret Vatican Council II as a continuation with Catholic Tradition, for example, the Athanasius Creed which says all need Catholic faith for salvation.He supports the political Left interpretation of Vatican Council II, as does the Bologna School of Alberto Melloni and Fr. Z.

Similarly the Lodges are pleased with Don Pietro Leone ‘s reports on the webblog Rorate Caeili. Leone is unable to see LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, etc  in Vatican Council II as referring to invisible cases in 2021.He projects Unitatis Redintigratio 3 as an exception to the past ecumenism of return to the Catholic Church. So he implies that UR 3 is physically visible case in 1965-2021. An invisible person could not be an exception to the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church.

-Lionel Andrades


Bad theology in the parish

 

 


 AUGUST 4, 2021

The Comitato dell Immaculata, Italy, have an obligation to check the false theology being taught in the parish Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Rome where they manage the seminary, old church building and other infrastructure.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/the-comitato-dell-immaculata-italy-have.html

John Henry Weston in a follow up program to the one on outside the Church there is no salvation , has to clarify, since Catholics are confused, that, there is an extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) with the baptism of desire(BOD) and invincible ignorance(I.I) being exceptions and there is an EENS with BOD and I.I not being exceptions. The EENS with BOD and I.I being exceptions is the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) version and the EENS with BOD and I.I not being exceptions is the St. Benedict Centers(SBC) version.

 John Henry Weston in a follow up program to the one on outside the Church there is no salvation , has to clarify, since Catholics are confused, that, there is an extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS)  with the baptism of desire(BOD) and invincible ignorance(I.I) being exceptions and there is an EENS with BOD and I.I not being exceptions.

The EENS with BOD and I.I being exceptions is the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) version and the EENS with BOD and I.I not being exceptions is the St. Benedict Centers(SBC) version.

Then he needs to clarify that there is a Vatican Council II with LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc  being exceptions to EENS and there is a Vatican Council II with LG 8, etc not being exceptions to EENS.

Vatican Council II with LG 8 etc being exceptions to EENS is the common interpretation of the Council. It’s official.

Vatican Council II with LG 8 not being exceptions to EENS is the Lionel Andrades interpretation of the Council.

It would be helpful for John Henry Weston  to talk to Brother Andre Marie MICM, Prior at the St. Benedict Center, NH, USA. He could speak on the difference between speculative and practical theology and how it is important not to confuse the two, with reference to EENS and Vatican Council II.-Lionel Andrades