Saturday, October 5, 2019

Il Prof.Giovanni Tangorra insegna un corso di ecclesiologia all'Università di San Giovanni in Laterano, Roma: interpreta il Concilio Vaticano II con il Cushingismo anziché il Feeneyismo per creare un'ermeneutica di rottura con la Tradizione


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Temi di ecclesiologia

Ieri stavo leggendo le note del semestre di ecclesiologia, date a uno studente religioso, dal professore dell'Università San Giovanni in Laterano,Roma. Il semestre è finito e unl giovane studente cinese ha gettato le note, in italiano, nel cestino dove li ho trovati.
Boff, Kung, Balthasar sono citati e vengono presentati vari modelli teorici della Chiesa. La sorella religiosa fi cina ha dovuto memorizzare tutte queste minuzie.
Questo corso nel Manuale è intitolato 10133-Ecclesiologia e Mariologia di Giovanni Tangorra.
La prima riga afferma che l'argomento principale di questo corso è lo studio della Chiesa, con la prospettiva del Concilio Vaticano II e la tradizionale comprensione della Chiesa.
Bibliogrpahy ha libri di Y Congar, Joseph Ratzinger, Bruno Forte, M. Semeraro e G.Tangorra.
Ho sfogliato le 147 pagine ed era ovvio che il principale difetto era l'interpretazione del Concilio Vaticano II con il Cushingismo anziché il Feeneyismo. Quindi la conclusione è una rottura con l'ecclesiologia di Roberto Bellarmine, che viene brevemente citato in modo vago .
Poiché il Cushingismo è la teologia per il professore, c'è un nuovo ecumenismo che accetta la salvezza tra gli altri cristiani, quindi non devono convertirsi nella Chiesa.
Si può dire che anche il vescovo Atanasio Schneider accetta questa nuova teologia e non direbbe che i protestanti devono convertirsi nella Chiesa Cattolica per evitare l'inferno (per la salvezza). Interpreta il Concilio Vaticano II con Cushingismo anziché Feeneyismo.
Il Prof. Tangorra non sarebbe stato in grado di presentare questo corso in questo modo se il Feeneyismo fosse la filosofia e la teologia, come lo era nel XVI secolo.
L'ecclesiologia di Giovanni Tangora si riferisce a una chiesa cristiana generale e non alla Chiesa Cattolica. La Chiesa Cattolica non è più l'Arca di Noè che salva nell'alluvione : i protestanti non sono più fuori dalla Chiesa per lui.
Quindi la dottrina della salvezza è stata cambiata, ciò è stato reso possibile dall'interpretazione del Concilio Vaticano II con una premessa e un'inferenza false, cosa sconosciuta nella Chiesa nel corso dei secoli.
I padri della Chiesa e i papi di età medievale si riferivano al battesimo del desiderio (BOD), al battesimo del sangue (BOB) e venivano salvati nell'ignoranza invincibile (I.I).Ma non li interpretavano come riferiti a persone conosciute e oggettive. Questi non erano casi oggettivi di non cattolici salvati fuori dalla Chiesa. Non erano persone visibili salvate senza "fede e battesimo" (AG 7, LG 14). Per loro nel corso dei secoli sono stati ovviamente casi ipotetici. BOD, BOB e I.I potrei essere solo casi speculativi nei tempi attuali. Non c'è scelta.
Ma per i Cushingites - Conger, Boff, Balthasar, Kung, Ratzinger, Semeraro e Tangoora, erano visibili persone invisibili. Le persone sconosciute erano eccezioni pratiche alla vecchia ecclesiologia dei Padri della Chiesa e dei papi. Quindi è stata creata una nuova ecclesiologia, una nuova comprensione della Chiesa. È ecumenico. È per i cristiani e non solo per i cattolici: questa è una nuova religione con nuove dottrine.

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Va ricordato che con l'antisemitismo e le altre leggi di sinistra, il professor Giovani Tangorra, non sarebbe autorizzato a insegnare che esiste una salvezza esclusiva nella Chiesa Cattolica, quindi interpreta il Concilio Vaticano II con Cushingismo anziché Feeneyismo.
Deve creare ufficialmente un'ermeneutica di rottura.
Quindi potrebbe essere stato un sollievo per lui quando scrive in grassetto e con un punto esclamativo:
La Chiesa di Papa Paolo VI è cristologica!
Ha ragione. Con il Cushingismo, il Concilio Vaticano II rifiuta la salvezza esclusiva. Quindi supporta "Cristo sì, Chiesa no, o non sempre". Cristo è necessario per la salvezza, ma per la Universita di San Giovanni Laterano  la Chiesa non e necesaria per salvezza,quindi l'ecclesiologia si limita a Cristo come il Salvatore separato dalla Chiesa.
Questo non è tradizionale ed è una rottura evidente, ad esempio, con il Magistero e i missionari del XVI secolo. Questo errore è ora ufficiale nel Instrumentem Labori, di  Sinodo Amazzonico.
Se il professore di ecclesiologia avesse scelto di interpretare il Concilio Vaticano II con Feeneyismo, la sua conclusione sarebbe diversa. Non ci sarebbe alcuna ermeneutica di rottura con l'ecclesiologia del passato.
La sinistra protesterebbe e lo chiamerebbe fondamentalista ecc. E perderebbe la sua posizione di insegnante. Ora la sinistra non protesta quando il documento di lavoro del Sinodo suggerisce: -
La diversità amazzonica, soprattutto religiosa, evoca una nuova Pentecoste (IL 30):rispettarla è riconoscere che ci sono altri cammini di salvezza, senza riservarli esclusivamente alla propria fede. Gruppi cristiani non cattolici insegnano, d’altronde, altre modalità di essere Chiesa, senza censure, senza dogmatismi, senza discipline rituali, forme ecclesiali (IL 138),  di cui la Chiesa cattolica dovrebbe integrare alcune. È distruttivo dello stesso credo riservare la salvezza esclusivamente al proprio credo (IL 39).1
Quindi il professore interpreta prudentemente il Concilio Vaticano II con il Cushingismo, cioè il battesimo del desiderio(BDD), il battesimo del sangue(BDS) e l'essere salvati nell'ignoranza invincibile(I.I), si riferiscono a non cattolici conosciuti personalmente, salvati al di fuori della Chiesa. In questo modo diventano eccezioni all'ecclesiologia del passato e a una nuova ecclesiologia. Esistono delle pratiche eccezioni a Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).
Il dogma EENS, il Credo di Atanasio e il Sillabo degli errori sono resi obsoleti. Non c'è più l'ecclesiologia del passato e un ecumenismo del ritorno.
LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 ecc. Si riferiscono a casi di persone salvati senza fede e battesimo. C'è una nuova ecclesiologia.
Il buon senso ci dice che non ci sono casi noti di non cattolici salvati fuori dalla Chiesa con BDOD, BDS e I.I o LG 8, GS 22 ecc. Ma senza questo stratagemma i papi di Paolo VI non potevano cambiare l'ecclesiologia e creare una rottura con la Tradizione-Lionel Andrades

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OCTOBER 3, 2019


Il Sinodo Amazzonico Instrumentum Laboris contraddice il Concilio Vaticano II e i Credo : e eresia di prima classe e scisma con i papi prima di Pio XII (Grafica)


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Amazon Synod Instrumentum Laboris contradicts Vatican Council II and Creeds : first class heresy and schism with the popes before Pius XII



OCTOBER 5, 2019


Prof.Giovanni Tangorra teaches an Ecclesiology course at St.John Lateran University, Rome : He interprets Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism to create a hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition - 2




The Council is Feeneyite and traditional.There is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church : National Catholic Reporter misrepresents Vatican Council II




Of the points he raised at Napa, addressed early was "confusion" about bringing Jews and Muslims to Christianity. Burke advocates a more aggressive approach to converting those of other religions.
He might reacquaint himself with the Vatican II declaration Nostra Aetate, which speaks with great regard for other world religions, specifically, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam and, particularly, Judaism. "The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions," the document states. "She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men."-Editorial: Cardinal Burke is a living symbol of a failed version of church by NCR Staff Oct 4, 2019
Lionel: We do not bring Jews and Muslims to Christianity we bring them to the Catholic Church with faith and baptism ( Ad Gentes 7, Lumen Gentium 14).
Vatican Council II says all need faith and baptism for salvation.The Council is affirming the traditional teaching on no salvation outside the Church.
There may be good and holy things in other religions; the great religions, but they are not paths to salvation according to Vatican Council II(AG 7).
The Council is Feeneyite and traditional.There is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church. This is the Conciliar teaching when Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally i.e NA 2, GS 22, LG 8, LG 16, LG 14 etc are not projected as practical exceptions to Ad Gentes 7, the past exclusivist ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.
Dan Morris-Young  National Catholic Reporter correspondent interprets Vatican Council II irrationally.-Lionel Andrades





https://www.ncronline.org/news/opinion/ncr-today/your-thoughts-cardinal-burkes-vision-church-partisan-divide-parish-shopping
https://www.ncronline.org/news/accountability/editorial-cardinal-burke-living-symbol-failed-version-church

Prof.Giovanni Tangorra teaches an Ecclesiology course at St.John Lateran University, Rome : He interprets Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism to create a hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition - 2

 OCTOBER 5, 2019


Prof.Giovanni Tangorra teaches an Ecclesiology course at St.John Lateran University, Rome : He interprets Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism to create the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition -1

Temi di ecclesiologia Dall'assemblea liturgica alla Chiesa. Una prospettiva teologica e spirituale La Chiesa secondo il Concilio
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It needs to be remembered that with Anti-Semitism and other Leftist laws, Professor Giovani Tangorra, would not be allowed to teach that there is exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.So he interprets Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism.
He officially has to create a hermeneutic of rupture.
So it could have been a relief for him when he writes in  bold text and with an exclamation point : 
The Church of Pope Paul VI is Christological!
He is correct. With Cushingism, Vatican Council II rejects  exclusive salvation. So it supports 'Christ yes, Church no, or not always'. Christ is needed for salvation  but for the John Lateran University the Church is not'.So ecclesiology restricts itself to Christ as the Saviour separated from the Church.
This is not traditional and is an obvious rupture, for example, with the Magisterium and missionaries of the 16th century.This  error is now official in the Working Paper of the Amazon Synod.
If the professor of ecclesiology had chosen to interpret Vatican Council II with Feeneyism his conclusion would be different. There would be no hermeneutic of rupture  with the past ecclesiology.
The Left  would protest and  call it fundamentalist etc and he would lose his teachng position.Now the Left does not protest when the Synod Working Paper suggests:-

1. Amazonian diversity, which is above all religious diversity, evokes a new Pentecost (IL 30): respect for this diversity means to recognize that there are other paths to salvation, without reserving salvation exclusively to the Catholic faith. Non-Catholic Christian groups teach other modalities of being Church, without censures, without dogmatism, without ritual disciplines and ecclesial forms (IL 138); the Catholic Church ought to integrate these modalities. Reserving salvation exclusively to the Creed is destructive of the Creed (IL 39).1

So the professor prudently interprets Vatican Council II with Cushingism i.e the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, refer to personally known non Catholics saved outside the Church.In this way they become exceptions to the past ecclesiology and a new ecclesiology is created.There are practical exceptons to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
The dogma EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors are made obsolete.There is no more the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.
LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc  refer to seen- in -the- flesh- cases- of non Catholics saved without faith and baptism. There is a new ecclesiology.
Common sense tells us that there are no known cases of non Catholics saved outside the Church with BOD, BOB and I.I or LG 8, GS 22 etc.But without  this ruse the popes from Paul VI could not change ecclesiology and create a break with Tradition.-Lionel Andrades


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OCTOBER 4, 2019


Coetus Internationalis Patrum Working Group (International Group of Fathers) had to address the issue of Cushingism and Feeneyism in the interpretation of Vatican Council II and Dominus Iesus




Prof.Giovanni Tangorra teaches an Ecclesiology course at St.John Lateran University, Rome : He interprets Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism to create a hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition


 Temi di ecclesiologia



 Dall'assemblea liturgica alla Chiesa. Una prospettiva teologica e spirituale


 La Chiesa secondo il Concilio

Yesterday I was reading the Ecclesiology semester notes, given to a religious student, by the professor at the St.John Lateran University, Rome.The semester is over and the young foreign student has thrown the notes, in Italian, into the dust bin where I found them.
Boff,Kung, Balthasar are cited and various theoretical models of the Church are presented.The Chinese religious sister had to memorize all this minutiae.
This course in the Handbook is titled 10133-Ecclesiologia e Mariologia by Giovanni Tangorra.
The first line states that the principal subject of this course is the study of the Church, with the perspective of Vatican Council II along with the traditional understanding of the Church.
The Bibliogrpahy has books by Y Congar, Joseph Ratzinger, Bruno Forte, M. Semeraro and G.Tangorra.
I browsed through the 147 pages and it was obvious that the major flaw was the interpretation of Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism.So the conclusion is a break with the ecclesiology of St.Robert Bellarmine, who is briefly mentioned in a vague way.
Since Cushingism is the theology, there is a new ecumenism which accepts salvation among other Christians.So they do not have to convert into the Church. 
It may be mentioned that even Bishop Athanasius Schneider accepts this new theology and would not say that Protestants need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell( for salvation).He interprets Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism.
 Sacramentum caritatis. Studi e commenti sull'esortazione apostolica postsinodale di Benedetto XVICredere dopo Auschwitz?
Prof. Tangorra would not have been able to present this course in this way if Feeneyism was the philosophy and theology, as it was in the 16th century.
The ecclesiology of Giovanni Tangoora refers to a general Christian Church and not the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is no more the Ark of Noah that saves in the flood.Protestants are no more outside the Church for him.
So salvation-doctrine has been changed.This was made possible by interpreting Vatican Council II with a false premise and inference.This was unknown in the Church over the centuries.
The Church Fathers and popes of the medieval ages referred to the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) but did not interpret them as referring to personally known and objective people. These were not objective cases of non Catholics saved outside the Church. They were not visible people saved without  'faith and baptism'(AG 7, LG 14). For them over the centuries they were obviously hypothetical cases. BOD,BOB and I.I could only be speculative cases in the present times.There is no choice.
But for the Cushingites-Conger, Boff, Balthasar, Kung, Ratzinger, Semeraro and Tangoora, invisible people were visible. Unknown people were practical exceptions to the old ecclesiology of the Church Fathers and the popes. So a new ecclesiology, a new understanding of Church has been created. It is ecumenical. It is for Christians and not only about Catholics.This is a new religion with new doctrines.-Lionel Andrades

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Johnson accepts he may have to ask for Brexit delay, court told

The Flowers of St. Francis -I Fioretti di St. Francesco _1

 
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/spotlight-on-st-francis-of-assisi

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La veggente Marija di Medjugorje a Palermo /STADIUM IN PALERMO,ITALY PACKED FOR VISIT OF MIRJANA VISIONARY FROM MEDUGORJE

St. Francis of Assisi

October 04, 2019


St. Francis of Assisi

St, Francis before the Pope
Humility and obedience.
He loved poverty and was poor, wandering about in rough penitent cloth.
He loved chastity, and was chaste, once throwing himself in a thicket of thorns to resist temptation.
He loved obedience, humbling himself before bishops, fallen priests, and the Lord Pope.
He loved Jesus Crucified, sharing in his passion, showing the Holy Wounds to a world grown cold.

He said once unto his companion: “I esteem not myself to be a Brother Minor unless I be in the state that I shall describe unto thee. Lo now, I suppose me to be one set in authority over the Brethren; I go unto the Chapter, I preach unto the Brethren and exhort them, and at the end they speak against me, saying: “Thou mislikest us, for that thou art unlettered, slow of speech, a fool, and simple,” and thus I am cast forth with reviling, little esteemed of all. I tell thee,—unless I can hear such words with unchanged countenance, with unchanged gladness of spirit and unchanged holy intent,—I am vainly called a Brother Minor.” And he added, “In exalted place there is the fear of fall, in praises a precipice, in the humility of a submissive spirit there is profit. Why then do we look for perils rather than profits, when we have had time bestowed on us that we may make profit therein?”
From this same reason of humility, Francis was minded that his Brethren should be called by the name of Minors, and that the rulers of his Order should be called Ministers, that thus he might employ the very words of the Gospel that he had vowed to observe, and that his followers might learn from their very name that they had come to learn humility in the school of the humble Christ. For that Teacher of humility, Christ Jesus, when He would teach His disciples what was perfect humility, said: “Whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; and whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant.” - St. Bonaventure 

 https://abbey-roads.blogspot.com/2019/10/st-francis-of-assisi.html




October 4, 2010

 


ST.FRANCIS OF ASSISI TAUGHT EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS BUT HOMILIES TODAY WILL NOT MENTION IT

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2010/10/stfrancis-of-assisi-taught-extra.html

 

October 19, 2011

 


LIVE WITH JOY BUT KNOW THAT EVERY NON CATHOLIC YOU MEET ON THE STREET IS ORIENTED TO HELL 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/live-with-joy-but-know-that-every-non.html

 

October 4, 2017

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St.Francis of Assisi doctrinally and theologically was very far from the namesake pope 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/10/stfrancis-doctrinally-and-theologically.html

 

 

June 21, 2016





President of Italy expects Catholic theology teachers to lie and teach irrationality to get a Licence in Theology : condition for teaching Catholic Religion in secondary schools

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2016/06/president-of-italian-republic-expects.html

 

APRIL 14, 2016


Franciscans of the Immaculate seminarians are taught the new moral and salvation theology based on known exceptions, visible in Heaven

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/04/franciscans-of-immaculate-seminarians.html

January 13, 2017

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Thomas D.Williams calls for a reform in the Church with a new theology and new doctrines which are heretical and irrational but politically correct with the Left, of which he now is a part of

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/01/thomas-dwilliams-calls-for-reform-in.html 

 

May 28, 2018

 Pope Francis vs Contemplative Orders



Catholic contemplatives and religious communities must decide on the interpretation of Vatican Council II before going under a Federation 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/05/catholic-contemplatives-and-religious.html

 

December 23, 2012


THE CHURCH IS THE MYSTICAL BODY OF JESUS 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/12/the-church-is-mystical-body-of-jesus.html

 

February 26, 2014

Pope Francis wants the Franciscans of the Immaculate to accept Vatican Council II with the IRRATIONAL RED column 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2014/02/pope-francis-wants-franciscans-of.html

 

November 22, 2018

St.Alphonsus Liguori says that if a priest is in mortal sin do not go up to receive the Eucharist from him - but what about a pope ? 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/11/stalphonsus-liguori-says-that-if-priest.html

 

NOVEMBER 17, 2018

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Canon Law must not only apply to Fr.Alessandro M.Minutella but also the bishops of Italy : Bishops of Palermo have committed a mortal sin of faith on EENS, Nicene Creed, Athansius Creed, Vatican Council II, Catechisms etc.Scandal must be ended in public before they administer the Sacraments and offer Holy Mass

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/11/canon-law-must-not-only-apply-to.html

 NOVEMBER 18, 2018


They are receiving the Eucharist at Holy Mass from bishops in sacrilege

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/11/they-are-receiving-eucharist-at-holy.html



I always affirm the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invncible ignorance(Graphics)



-Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/08/i-always-affirm-baptism-of-desire.html

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AUGUST 10, 2018



The moment you say that BOD, BOB and I.I are exceptions to EENS you infer that they refer to known people, visible people saved outside the Catholic Church : invisible people cannot be exceptions (Graphics)








-Lionel Andrades

AUGUST 10, 2018

Chris Ferrara, Mons.Clifford Joseph Fenton, Fr. John Hardon, Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira, Michael Davis, Dietrich von Hildebrand, Attila Guimares, Fr. Nicholas Gruner, John Vennari and others did not know about it
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/08/chris-ferrara-monsclifford-joseph.html

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JULY 16, 2018


German bishops in big trouble (Graphics)

A (Feeneyite)




B (Cushingite)



-Lionel Andrades

JULY 15, 2018

Back to the Basics (Graphics)

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/back-to-basics-graphics.html

JULY 7, 2018
German bishops and Vatican hide a secret, tell a lie so stay legal . Unknown to media and judiciary -1
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/the-german-bishops-and-vatican-are.html

 JULY 7, 2018

German bishops and Vatican hide a secret, tell a lie so stay legal . Unknown to media and judiciary -2
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/german-bishops-and-vatican-hide-secret.html

JULY 8, 2018
German bishops and Vatican hide a secret, tell a lie so stay legal . Unknown to media and judiciary -3 (Graphics)
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/german-bishops-and-vatican-hide-secret_8.html

JULY 8, 2018

German bishops and Vatican hide a secret, tell a lie so stay legal . Unknown to media and judiciary - 4 (Graphics)

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/german-bishops-and-vatican-hide-secret_10.html

JULY 6, 2018

What happens when Cardinal Marx knows...will he accept this reality, or will he go into schism?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/what-happens-when-cardinal-marx.html

JULY 6, 2018

Repost : It will be the liberals who will have to reject Vatican Council II. The German bishops will be in trouble. This will be unacceptable for them
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/reposts-it-will-be-liberals-who-will.html

JULY 6, 2018

Repost : Would the German bishops go into schism?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/repost-would-german-bishops-go-into.html

JULY 6, 2018

Repost : German Court would find the Knights of Malta and the Catholic bishops of Germany untruthful and telling a lie
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/repost-german-court-would-find-knights.html

JULY 6, 2018

Repost : German President must respect Catholic beliefs before and after Vatican Council II : outside the Church there is no salvationhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/repost-german-president-must-respect.html


 JULY 6, 2018

Repost : Tell Card.Marx that you affirm Vatican Council II according to Lionel Andrades.There is no known salvation outside the Church. So Protestants cannot receive the Eucharist (Graphics)

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/repost-tell-cardmarx-that-you-affirm.html


MAY 4, 2018

Theologically Cardinal Ladaria supports Cardinal Marx : Holy Communion for Protestants

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/repost-theologically-cardinal-ladaria.html




JULY 5, 2018

Reiterate
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/reiterate.html

JULY 5, 2018

These points should be clarified by the religious communities who are in communication with the CDF and Ecclesia Dei.Ask them if everyone can interpret Vatican Council II and EENS as does the blogger on Lionel's Blog.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/these-points-should-be-clarified-by.htm

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 NOVEMBER 3, 2018


The Catholic politicians in Italy can affirm all the teachings of the Catholic Church without an irrational premise and inference : their conclusion would be different from the Left.

The Catholic politicians in Italy can affirm all the teachings of the Catholic Church. They can affirm the Creed like me and also Vatican Council II. They can interpret all the Catechisms in harmony with the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS),outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation.
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But like me and unlike the two popes and all the cardinal and bishops, they will not use an irrational premise ( invisible people are visible) and inference( invisible non Catholics saved outside the Church are visible examples of salvation outside the Church and exceptions to EENS).
So there is no non traditional conclusion  which says outside the Church there is known salvation and so Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS.
So like me, their interpretation of Vatican Council II and the Catechisms will differ from the Left. It would be completely different.
They would be in harmony with the founders of religious communities  like St.Francis of Assisi. Now the Left creates a rupture with St. Francis' understanding of exclusive salvation and doctrines related to it.
These Catholic politicians, who would be affirming Tradition with exclusive salvation along with Vatican Council II,  would be opposed within the Church by many cardinals and bishops. Even the secular leftist  authorities , who support abortion and homosexuality, could oppose them.
But the ordinary Catholic would know that these politicians are rational, traditional and honest, while the Catholic Left is deceptive.
Catholics who attend Mass in italian or Latin would then have a clear Catholic Identity. There would also be the need for traditional Mission with Vatican Council II saying all non Catholics need faith and baptism for salvation. They need to enter the Catholic Church with Catholic faith and the baptism of water to avoid Hell.
However these Catholic politicians must be aware that Archbishop Lefebvre and Pope Pius XII also interpreted the dogma EENS like the Left does today. They make the same mistake as the liberals whom they otherwise criticize. So the theology and doctrines on salvation of the Lefbvrists must be avoided.
I do not interpret Vatican Council II and EENS like them.Neither do I interpret the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance like them.So our conclusions are different. Mine is traditional and thiers is a rupture with Tradition.-Lionel Andrades




NOVEMBER 3, 2018

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Salvini - 2

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/11/salvini-2.html

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