Monday, April 19, 2021

Pope Francis is not Magisterial on Vatican Council II, the Creeds and Catechisms since he interprets BOD, BOB and I.I with a false premise, inference and conclusion. So there is a false rupture with the past Magisterium and the Church today is schismatic and heretical

 



Fake premise

The Baptism of Desire, Baptism of Blood and Invincible Ignorance refer to physically visible cases in 1949-2021.

Fake inference
They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.They are examples of known non Catholics saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water.

Fake conclusion
So they contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.



Rational Premise

The Baptism of Desire, Baptism of Blood and Invincible Ignorance refer to physically invisible cases in 1949-2021
They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference
They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.They are not examples of known non Catholics saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water.

Rational Conclusion
They do not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.They do not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.
The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.




Fake premise

Lumen Gentium 14(Baptism of Desire), Lumen Gentium 16 (Invincible ignorance) etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.

Fake inference
They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

Fake conclusion
Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.

Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.

Rational Premise
 Lumen Gentium  14 and Lumen Gentium 16  in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference
They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.

Rational Conclusion
Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.
The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.
Since Pope Francis interprets the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance with the false premise his interpretation of the Apostles Creed and the Nicene Creed is irrational and differs from my interpretation.




" I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" - Apostles Creed


Pope Francis  

1. Do you say in church, at Holy Mass when the Creed is prayed, " I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" and mean that the Holy Spirit guides the Church today to teach that outside the Catholic Church there is salvation, known salvation, there are visible non Catholics saved without faith and the baptism of water and so there is no communion with the saints on extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed etc  ? 

Or,

Lionel:

2. Do you say in 

APRIL 19, 2021

The National Catechetical Office, Italy interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise, a false inference and a non traditional conclusion.This cannot be Magisterial.How could the Holy Spirit make such an objective mistake and not choose the rational option?

 at Mass , "I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" and then mean that the Holy Spirit guides the Church today to teach that outside the Church there is no known salvationthere are no physically visible non Catholics in 2021 saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and so there is  communion with the saints - Francis of Assisi, Ignatius of Loyola, Francis Xavier, Catherine of Siena, Maximillian Kolbe etc - on extra ecclesiam nulla salus( with no exceptions, like in the 16th century) the Athanasius Creed which says all need to be Catholic for salvation, the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24Q, 27Q), the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return), Quas Primas of Pope Pius XI on the Proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King in all political legislation etc ?


We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins - Nicene Creed

Lionel : 

1. There is one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, it is the baptism of water. It is physically visible and repeatable.

Or.

For Pope Francis  

2.There are more than three baptisms for the forgiveness of sins, they are known baptismspersonally visible. They are the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance. They exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and so are practical exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) as explained in the Letter of the Holy Office(CDF) 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston. It was referenced also in Vatican Council II(Lumen Gentium 16).


Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.- Athanasius Creed

Pope Francis:

 Since the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance contradict exclusive salvation in the Church and the Catholic Church is no more ecclesiocentric in its ecclesiology Pope Francis has to reject the Athanasius Creed.

Lionel:

For me there are no practical exceptions to EENS or the Creeds in the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance which are always hypothetical and invisible for us human beings.Invisible and speculative cases cannot be objective exceptions to the teaching of the Athanasius Creed.


When Pope Francis avoids the false premise, inference and conclusion their interpretation of the Creeds will be Magisterial and in harmony with the past Magisterium. There would be no hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition.-Lionel Andrades



APRIL 19, 2021


The National Catechetical Office, Italy interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise, a false inference and a non traditional conclusion.This cannot be Magisterial.How could the Holy Spirit make such an objective mistake and not choose the rational option?
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/the-national-catechetical-office-italy.html


APRIL 15, 2021

Pope Francis is not Magisterial on Vatican Council II since he interprets it with it the false premise. Without the false premise the Council would be Magisterial and in harmony with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/pope-francis-is-not-magisterial-on.html







The interpretation of Vatican Council II is Magisterial when it is in harmony with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church, it does not use a false premise and is not a rupture with Tradition ( extra eccleisam nulla salus, Athanasius Creed, Nicene and Apostles Creed etc).So it is not heretical or schismatic

 

 
The interpretation of Vatican Council II is Magisterial  when it is in harmony with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church, does not use a false premise and is not a rupture with Tradition ( Creeds,extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Catechisms etc). So it is not heretical or schismatic. -Lionel Andrades




At the SSPX seminary at Econe, Switzerland, they are still interpreting Vatican Council II with the false premise, inference and conclusion, when a rational option exists. Somebody should do something about this

 At the SSPX seminary at Econe, Switzerland, they are still interpreting Vatican Council II with the false premise, inference and conclusion, when a rational option exists. Somebody should do something about this.. -Lionel Andrades

The dialogue of the Pontifical Council for Inter-Religious Dialogue, Vatican is as false as was the Vatican-SSPX Doctrinal Talks

 

The dialogue of the Pontifical Council for Inter-Religious Dialogue, Vatican  conducated by Cardinal Miguel Angel  Ayuso Guixot,MCCJ, President and Rev. Indunil Kodithuwakku Janakaratne Kankanamalage, Secretary, is false.Since it based upon the interpretation of Vatican Council II with the fake  premise, inference and conclusion and not the rational option.
It  is as false as the Vatican-SSPX Doctrinal Talks during the pontificate  of Pope Benedict . Both sides did not know that the Council could be interpreted with the rational premise, inference and conclusion and there would be no rupture with Tradition ( EENS etc). -Lionel Andrades

https://gloria.tv/post/CM73JiCZQycP3AoZoi8NVakT6

 

This will be the beginning of the end of the 55-year version of Vatican Council II in Germany and the rest of the world. The same question could be put to any other cardinal

 A  journalist who is in contact with Cardinal Gerhard Muller could ask him if Lumen Gentium 8 ( elements of sanctification and truth in other religions leading to salvaton), Lumen Gentium 16 ( being saved in invincible ignorance), Lumen Gentium 14 ( being saved with the baptism of desire), Unitatis Redintigratio 3 ( being saved in imperfect communion with the Church), Gaudium et Specs 22 ( being saved with good will ) refer to only hypothetical, speculative and theoretical cases only in 2021.They are not objective, real people, known to be saved outside the Catholic Church.

He will have to answer, "Yes".

This will be the beginning of the end of the 55-year version of Vatican Council II in Germany and the rest of the world.

The same question could be put to any other cardinal. -Lionel Andrades

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The National Catechetical Office, Italy interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise, a false inference and a non traditional conclusion.This cannot be Magisterial.How could the Holy Spirit make such an objective mistake and not choose the rational option?

APRIL 14, 2021

Pope Francis and Pope Benedict are not magisterial on Vatican Council II since they interpret the Council with the false premise, inference and conclusion instead of the rational option. They are also not magisterial on the Nicene and Apostles Creed since they make the same mistake which can be avoided

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/pope-francis-and-pope-benedict-are-not_14.html

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The National Catechetical Office, Italy is interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise, a false inference and a non traditional conclusion.This cannot be Magisterial.How could the Holy Spirit make such an objective mistake and not choose the rational option?

This is a human error.

The Catechetical Office, which Pope Francis visited in February this year, is in a rupture with the past Magisterium.So it  schismatic.The schism is created with a false premise.

Catholics in Italy are not obliged to follow a non magisterial interpretation of Vatican Council II, with a false premise instead of a rational option. -Lionel Andrades 

Fake premise

Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.

Fake inference
They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

Fake conclusion
Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.

Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.

Rational Premise
LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference
They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.

Rational Conclusion
Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.

The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-Lionel Andrades


FEBRUARY 3, 2021



Pope Francis has called for interpreting Vatican Council II with a false premise and inference to create an artificial rupture with Tradition and the traditional teaching on their being exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church : this is unethical.Even the secular and Church- judges in Italy are following this error.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/pope-francis-has-called-for.html

JANUARY 15, 2021

In the moto proprio Spiritus Domini of Pope Francis, Vatican Council II is cited, interpreted with the false premise and inference and so there is a fake rupture with Tradition. No one has pointed out this error

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/01/in-moto-proprio-spiritus-domini-of-pope.html

JANUARY 15, 2021

The 55 year old liberal-traditionalist division is finished since now we can affirm Vatican Council II and Tradition, without the false premise. This was not possible for Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.: The liberals cited Vatican Council II in papal documents like Spiritus Domini, to justify a break with Traditionhttps://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/01/the-55-year-old-liberal-traditionalist.html

 JANUARY 15, 2021

Pope Francis and the Italian government are promoting a Cushingite version of Vatican Council II so they cannot support Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus. With a false premise exceptions are created for the past ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/01/pope-francis-and-italian-government-are.html

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 APRIL 14, 2021


Pope Francis and Pope Benedict are not magisterial on Vatican Council II since they interpret the Council with the false premise, inference and conclusion instead of the rational option
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/pope-francis-and-pope-benedict-are-not.html


APRIL 15, 2021


Pope Francis and Pope Benedict's interpretation of the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( CCC 846, 1257) are non magisterial since they use a false premise to interpret CCC 846 (Outside the Church No Salvation) and CCC 1257 ( The Necessity of Baptism ).They have a rational and traditional choice which they avoid
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/pope-francis-and-pope-benedicts.html

 APRIL 15, 2021

Pope Francis keeps mentioning Vatican Council II but it's the non magisterial version of the Council

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/pope-francis-keeps-mentioning-vatican.html

 APRIL 11, 2021

Fr. Leonard Feeney, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Archbishop Pierre Thuc did not know that Vatican Council II could be interpreted without the false premise, inference and conclusion

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/for-fr-leonard-feeney-and-archbishop.html

APRIL 13, 2021

Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican is not magisterial on Vatican Council II since he interprets the Council with the false premise, inference and conclusion instead of the rational and traditional option, in harmony with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/cardinal-luiz-ladaria-sj-prefect-of_13.html

APRIL 12, 2021



Repost : 'The red is not an exception to the blue' : new extraordinary understanding of Vatican Council II

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/repost-red-is-not-exception-to-blue-new.html



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     With this rational model, the  Vatican  would not be contradicting the Athanasius Creed.

    ATHANASIUS CREED

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    'Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly...'
    With this rational model they  would also not be contradicting the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX. 
     
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    III. INDIFFERENTISM, LATITUDINARIANISM
    15. Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true. — Allocution “Maxima quidem,” June 9, 1862; Damnatio “Multiplices inter,” June 10, 1851.
    16. Man may, in the observance of any religion whatever, find the way of eternal salvation, and arrive at eternal salvation. — Encyclical “Qui pluribus,” Nov. 9, 1846.
    17. Good hope at least is to be entertained of the eternal salvation of all those who are not at all in the true Church of Christ. — Encyclical “Quanto conficiamur,” Aug. 10, 1863, etc.
    18. Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion, in which form it is given to please God equally as in the Catholic Church. — Encyclical “Noscitis,” Dec. 8, 1849.
    Now Vatican Council II interpreted with his  irrational premise, inference and conclusion contradicts the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX. 
    With the rational model, Vatican Council II would not contradict the Catechism of Pope Pius X.
    -Lionel Andrades

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