Saturday, November 30, 2019
I sacerdoti Minim pretendono, con il supporto dei loro Superiori, che LG 16, GS 22 ecc. Si riferiscano a persone fisicamente visibili, quindi non devono affermare l'ecclesiologia missionaria passata di Alphonse Ratisbonne, Theodore Ratisbonne, St. Maximillian Kolbe e St. Francesco di Paula.
29 novembre 2019
Mercoledì scorso c'è stata la festa della Medaglia Miracolosa e mi sono ritrovato in ginocchio sotto la statua di San Massimiliano Kolbe, vicino all'Altare del Miracolo, nella Basilica di San Andrea delle Fratte, a Roma. La chiesa era piena. Quattro misteri completi del Rosario. Tutti e quattro i Misteri, uno dopo l'altro, lo hanno fatto ogni 27 del mese, nella basilica.Per me è stato proprio come a Medjugorje.
Dopo ognuno dei 20 - decenni ci sarebbe stata una preghiera che invitava la Madonna ad aiutarci a convertirci. Era la Madonna della Conversione.
Per conversione hanno significato un cambiamento di cuore verso Dio, in tutti gli aspetti della vita.
Avrebbero anche potuto significare una conversione nella Chiesa Cattolica, per sfuggire all'inferno, come avrebbero insegnato San Massimiliano Kolbe e Alphonse Ratisbonne.
Quando c'è una vera conversione del cuore in un non Cattolico, entrerà nella Chiesa Cattolica e vi rimarrà per evitare l'inferno.
Il Vangelo di Giovanni 3: 16-18 dice che tutti hanno bisogno di convertirsi in Gesù e nella Chiesa, il suo Corpo Mistico. Il Concilio Vaticano II afferma che tutti hanno bisogno di convertirsi con fede e battesimo (AG 7). I Catechismi dicono che tutti hanno bisogno di convertirsi nella Chiesa Cattolica per la salvezza (1257,845,846)
Alphonse Ratisbonne si convertì alla Chiesa Cattolica e così fece suo fratello Teodoro. Diventarono missionari e sacerdoti.
La Madonna mostrò ad Alphonse Ratisbonne la bellezza e l'importanza della Chiesa Cattolica per la salvezza di tutte le persone. Si convertì in quel momento, vicino all'Altare del Miracolo nella chiesa, dove mi inginocchiavo.
La Madonna non disse a Ratisbona che doveva solo credere in Gesù e che poteva rimanere ebreo.
Gli mostrò l'importanza di essere un membro della Chiesa Cattolica.
Ma per i Padri Minimi, di San Francesco di Paola, nella basilica, non è necessario convertirsi tutti nella Chiesa Cattolica. Casi invisibili di LG 16, GS 22 ecc. nel Concilio Vaticano II sono eccezioni visibili, dell'insegnamento di San Francesco di Paola,salvezza esclusiva solo nella Chiesa Cattolica.
In che modo le persone invisibili possono essere eccezioni visibili a tutti coloro che hanno bisogno di entrare nella Chiesa per la salvezza? Una volta ho chiesto a un prete italiano di Minimi presso la basilica.
Dove sono le persone salvate nell'ignoranza invincibile (LG 16) o con buona volontà (GS 22) fuori dalla Chiesa ?, gli ho chiesto.
Anche per lui la fede e il battesimo erano la norma per la salvezza. Accettò, ma per lui c'erano ancora delle eccezioni pratiche alla norma.Questo non e tradizionale o razionale per me. Ha contraddetto la Bibbia (Giovanni 3: 5, Marco 16:16) e i papi nel corso dei secoli. Questa non era la teologia di Catherine Laboure, quando la Madonna le chiese di fare una Medaglia Miracolosa.
Aveva un'interpretazione rigorosa di extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) e non riusciva a vedere qualcuno salvato nell'ignoranza invincibile o con buona volontà al di fuori della Chiesa. Fisicamente non era possibile.
Quindi i sacerdoti Minimi pretendono, con il supporto dei loro Superiori, che LG 16, GS 22 ecc.,nel Concilio Vaticano II, si referiscono a persone fisicamente visibili, quindi non devono affermare l'ecclesiologia missionaria passata di Alphonse Ratisbonne, Theodore Ratisbonne, St. Maximillian Kolbe e St Francesco di Paula - Lionel Andrades
https://www.madonnadelmiracolo.it/
NOVEMBER 29, 2019
Affermo il Credo di Atanasio e il Concilio Vaticano II
Sono cattolico a Roma e vivo pacificamente le mie convinzioni cattoliche. Non li costringo a nessuno, quindi mi aspetto che gli altri siano tolleranti con me come io sono con loro. Affermo il Concilio Vaticano II, interpretato senza la falsa premessa comune. Affermo anche extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), senza la comune irrazionalità, come il Magistero nel XVI secolo e i Padri della Chiesa.
Accetto i casi ipotetici del battesimo del desiderio (BOD), del battesimo del sangue (BOB) e di essere salvato nell'ignoranza invincibile(I.I), come solo ipotetici. Non sono persone oggettive e conosciute personalmente nei tempi attuali (2019). Quindi non sono esempi oggettivi di salvezza fuori dalla Chiesa. Le persone invisibili non possono essere esempi visibili di salvezza fuori dalla Chiesa.
Quindi non progetto BOD, BOB e I.I come eccezioni oggettive di Ad Gentes 7, Concilio Vaticano II, che afferma che tutti hanno bisogno di fede e di battesimo per la salvezza. Tutti.
La norma per la salvezza, per me, è la fede e il battesimo dell'acqua, nella Chiesa Cattolica. Questo è l'insegnamento della Chiesa Cattolica nel Concilio Vaticano II (AG 7), Catechismo della Chiesa Cattolica (845.846,1257) e altri documenti magisteriali, che interpreto senza confondere ciò che è invisibile come visibile, implicito come esplicito, soggettivo come oggettivo.
Per me la Chiesa indica nei suoi documenti magisteriali, incluso il Concilio Vaticano II, che tutti coloro che sono al di fuori della Chiesa sono sulla strada per l'inferno, inclusi quelli che conoscono o non conoscono Gesù e la Chiesa e la necessità di unirsi per la salvezza .
Per me LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 ecc. Non sono eccezioni pratiche a EENS o AG 7.
Se qualcuno fosse salvato, sarebbero conosciuti solo da Dio. Non possiamo giudicare una determinata persona sulla terra e affermare che sarà salvata, in via eccezionale, alla salvezza esclusiva nella Chiesa Cattolica.
Quindi per me la maggior parte delle persone sulla terra sono orientate verso l'inferno, poiché muoiono senza fede e con il battesimo dell'acqua (AG 7, LG 14).
Ad Gentes 7 è citato nel Catechismo della Chiesa Cattolica con il sottotitolo Al di fuori della Chiesa non c'è salvezza.Tutti coloro che sono salvati sono salvati attraverso Gesù e la Chiesa,ciò non contraddice l'insegnamento sul tutti coloro che devono essere membri della Chiesa Cattolica per la salvezza (AG 7). La Chiesa è il sacramento della salvezza e tutti hanno bisogno di diventare membri con fede e battesimo, per la salvezza e non ci sono eccezioni nei tempi attuali.
Altre religioni hanno cose buone e sante (NA 2) ma hanno anche inefficienze, superstizioni ed errori (Dominus Iesus). Non possono essere considerati uguali percorsi di salvezza con la Chiesa Cattolica. I loro membri sono orientati verso la Chiesa e sono tutti chiamati a far parte della Chiesa cattolica (CDF, Notification, P. Jacques Dupuis, 2001)
Il Concilio Vaticano II è in armonia con il concetto di salvezza esclusiva, come sostenuto da San Massimiliano Kolbe, Alphonse Ratisbonne, San Francesco d'Assisi, Santa Caterina da Siena, Padre Pio e numerosi altri santi. La Bibbia ci dice che il Chiesa Cattolica, la Chiesa, è il Corpo Mistico di Gesù. Fuori dalla Chiesa Cattolica non c'è salvezza (Giovanni 3: 5, Marco 16:16 ecc.).
Affermo il Credo di Nicea e degli Apostoli interpretato con casi ipotetici solo ipotetici. Sarei pronto a fare una Professione di fede. Affermo il Credo di Atanasio che dice fuori dalla Chiesa che non c'è salvezza.
Non sono in scisma con i papi del passato su EENS (Cantate Domino, Concilio di Firenze 1441), un ecumenismo di ritorno (che affermo con Unitatis Redintigratio, il Concilio Vaticano II interpretato razionalmente) e un'ecclesiologia esclusivista (sostenuta da Lumen Gentium, interpretata razionalmente , senza la premessa falsa).
Non sono un sedevacantista e nemmeno un tradizionalista che frequenta solo la Messa in latino. L'ecclesiologia della Messa, per me, in tutti i riti, è la stessa, prima e dopo il Concilio Vaticano II. Frequento la Messa in Italiano o Inglese, con l'ecclesiologia dei missionari del Medioevo, che fu un periodo d'oro nella storia della Chiesa Cattolica.
Dal momento che non esiste una salvezza nota al di fuori della Chiesa e non ci sono eccezioni note alla rigorosa interpretazione di EENS, per me ci sono solo Cattolici in cielo: sono lì con fede e battesimo d'acqua, e senza peccati mortali sulla loro anima.
Non essendoci casi conosciuti personalmente, di non cattolici salvati al di fuori della Chiesa, non vi sono basi teologiche per la nuova teologia, il nuovo ecumenismo, la nuova ecclesiologia, la nuova evangelizzazione ecc.
Sono stato attivo, per molti anni, con i Focolari, il Rinnovamento Carismatico, di Neo Catecumenale di Kiko Arguello e la Legione di Maria.
Ho organizzato incontri inter-religiosi insieme a un amico e sacerdote francescano, p. Rasheed.
Oggi tali incontri sarebbero parte della missione, per me, e un'opportunità per proclamare la fede. Tollererei le opinioni degli altri. Sarebbe un annuncio poiché mi piace proclamare il Vangelo, non aspettandomi necessariamente una conversione, che dipende dalla persona e da Dio.
Sono nato in una famiglia cattolica e sono stato battezzato come un bambino. Sono un fan di Teresa d'Avila.-Lionel Andrades
Sono nato in una famiglia cattolica e sono stato battezzato come un bambino. Sono un fan di Teresa d'Avila.-Lionel Andrades
November 30, 2019
I affirm the Athanasius Creed and Vatican Council II
I
am a Catholic in Rome peacefully living my Catholic beliefs. I do not
force them on anyone.So I would expect others to be tolerant of me as I
am of them. I affirm Vatican Council II, interpreted without the common
false premise. I also affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), without the common irrationality, as did the Magisterium in the 16th century and the Church Fathers.
I
accept hypothetical cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of
blood(BOB)and being saved in invincible ignorance, as being just
hypothetical. They are not objective and personally known people in the
present times(2019). So they are not objective examples of salvation
outside the Church.Invisible people cannnot be visible examples of
salvation outside the Church.
So
I do not project BOD,BOB and I.I as objective exceptions to Ad Gentes
7, Vatican Council II, which says all need faith and baptism for
salvation. All.
The
norm for salvation, for me, is faith and the baptism of water, in the
Catholic Church.This is the teaching of the Catholic Church in Vatican
Council II(AG 7), Catechism of the Catholic Church(845,846,1257) and
other magisterial documents, which I interpret without confusing what is
invisible as being visible, implicit as being explicit, subjective as
being objective.
For
me the Church indicates in its magisterial documents, including Vatican
Council II, that all who are outside the Church are on the way to
Hell.This includes those who know or do not know about Jesus and the
Church and the necessity of membership for salvation.
For me LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are not practical exceptions to EENS or AG 7.
If
anyone is saved they would only be known to God. We cannot judge a
particular person on earth and claim he or she will be saved , as an
exception, to exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
So for me, most people on earth are oriented to Hell.Since they die without faith and the baptism of water(AG 7, LG 14).
Ad Gentes
7 is quoted in the Catechism of the Catholic Church under the sub-title
Outside the Church there is no salvation.All who are saved are saved
through Jesus and the Church.This does not contradict the teaching on
all needing to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation (AG
7).The Church is the Sacrament of salvation.All need to become members
with faith and baptism, for salvation and there are no exceptions in the
present times.
Other
religions have good and holy things(NA 2) but they also have
inefficiencies, superstition and errors ( Dominus Iesus). They cannot be
considered equal paths to salvation with the Catholic Church.Their
members are oriented to the Church and are all called to become a part
of the Catholic Church.(CDF, Notification,Fr.Jacques Dupuis,2001)
Vatican
Council II is in harmony with the concept of exclusive salvation, as
held by St. Maximilian Kolbe, Alphonse Ratisbonne, St.Francis of Assisi,
St. Catherine of Sienna, Padre Pio and numerous other saints.The Bible
tells us that the Catholic Church is the Mystical Body of Jesus.Outside
of the Catholic Church there is no salvation( John 3:5, Mark 16:16 etc).
I
affirm the Nicene and Apostles Creed interpreted with hypothetical
cases just being hypothetical.I would be ready to make a Profession of
Faith.I affirm the Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there
is no salvation.
I
am not in schism with the past popes on EENS( Cantate Domino, Council
of Florence 1441),an ecumenism of return( which I affirm with Unitatis
Redintigratio, Vatican Council II interpreted rationally) and an
exclusivist ecclesiology( supported by Lumen Gentium interpreted
rationally , without the false premise).
I
am not a sedevacantist and nor am I a traditionalist who only attends
the Latin Mass. The ecclesiology of the Mass, for me, in all rites, is
the same before and after Vatican Council II. I attend Mass in the
vernacular with the ecclesiology of the missionaries of the Middle Ages,
which was a golden period in the history of the Catholic Church.
Since
there is no known salvation outside the Church and there are no known
exceptions to the strict interpretation of EENS, for me, there are only
Catholics in Heaven.They are there with faith and the baptism of water
and without mortal sins on their soul.
With
there being no personally known cases, of non Catholics saved outside
the Church, there is no theological basis, for the New Theology, New
Ecumenism, New Ecclesiology, New Evangelisation etc.
I
have been active , for many years, with the Focolares, Charismatic
Renewal, Neo Catechumenal Way of Kiko Arguello and the Legion of Mary.
I have organized inter faith meetings along with a Franciscan friend and priest, Fr. Rasheed.
Today such meetings would be a part of mission, for me, and an opportunity to proclaim the faith.I would tolerate the views of others. It would be a proclamation since I like to proclaim the Gospel.Not necessarily expecting a conversion, which depends upon the person and God.
I was born in a Catholic family and was baptised as an infant. I am a fan of Teresa of Avila. -Lionel Andrades
Today such meetings would be a part of mission, for me, and an opportunity to proclaim the faith.I would tolerate the views of others. It would be a proclamation since I like to proclaim the Gospel.Not necessarily expecting a conversion, which depends upon the person and God.
I was born in a Catholic family and was baptised as an infant. I am a fan of Teresa of Avila. -Lionel Andrades
November 30, 2019
I affirm the Athanasius Creed and Vatican Council II
I
am a Catholic in Rome peacefully living my Catholic beliefs. I do not
force them on anyone.So I would expect others to be tolerant of me as I
am of them. I affirm Vatican Council II, interpreted without the common
false premise. I also affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), without the common irrationality, as did the Magisterium in the 16th century and the Church Fathers.
I
accept hypothetical cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of
blood(BOB)and being saved in invincible ignorance, as being just
hypothetical. They are not objective and personally known people in the
present times(2019). So they are not objective examples of salvation
outside the Church.Invisible people cannnot be visible examples of
salvation outside the Church.
So
I do not project BOD,BOB and I.I as objective exceptions to Ad Gentes
7, Vatican Council II, which says all need faith and baptism for
salvation. All.
The
norm for salvation, for me, is faith and the baptism of water, in the
Catholic Church.This is the teaching of the Catholic Church in Vatican
Council II(AG 7), Catechism of the Catholic Church(845,846,1257) and
other magisterial documents, which I interpret without confusing what is
invisible as being visible, implicit as being explicit, subjective as
being objective.
For
me the Church indicates in its magisterial documents, including Vatican
Council II, that all who are outside the Church are on the way to
Hell.This includes those who know or do not know about Jesus and the
Church and the necessity of membership for salvation.
For me LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are not practical exceptions to EENS or AG 7.
If
anyone is saved they would only be known to God. We cannot judge a
particular person on earth and claim he or she will be saved , as an
exception, to exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
So for me, most people on earth are oriented to Hell.Since they die without faith and the baptism of water(AG 7, LG 14).
Ad Gentes
7 is quoted in the Catechism of the Catholic Church under the sub-title
Outside the Church there is no salvation.All who are saved are saved
through Jesus and the Church.This does not contradict the teaching on
all needing to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation (AG
7).The Church is the Sacrament of salvation.All need to become members
with faith and baptism, for salvation and there are no exceptions in the
present times.
Other
religions have good and holy things(NA 2) but they also have
inefficiencies, superstition and errors ( Dominus Iesus). They cannot be
considered equal paths to salvation with the Catholic Church.Their
members are oriented to the Church and are all called to become a part
of the Catholic Church.(CDF, Notification,Fr.Jacques Dupuis,2001)
Vatican
Council II is in harmony with the concept of exclusive salvation, as
held by St. Maximilian Kolbe, Alphonse Ratisbonne, St.Francis of Assisi,
St. Catherine of Sienna, Padre Pio and numerous other saints.The Bible
tells us that the Catholic Church is the Mystical Body of Jesus.Outside
of the Catholic Church there is no salvation( John 3:5, Mark 16:16 etc).
I
affirm the Nicene and Apostles Creed interpreted with hypothetical
cases just being hypothetical.I would be ready to make a Profession of
Faith.I affirm the Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there
is no salvation.
I
am not in schism with the past popes on EENS( Cantate Domino, Council
of Florence 1441),an ecumenism of return( which I affirm with Unitatis
Redintigratio, Vatican Council II interpreted rationally) and an
exclusivist ecclesiology( supported by Lumen Gentium interpreted
rationally , without the false premise).
I
am not a sedevacantist and nor am I a traditionalist who only attends
the Latin Mass. The ecclesiology of the Mass, for me, in all rites, is
the same before and after Vatican Council II. I attend Mass in the
vernacular with the ecclesiology of the missionaries of the Middle Ages,
which was a golden period in the history of the Catholic Church.
Since
there is no known salvation outside the Church and there are no known
exceptions to the strict interpretation of EENS, for me, there are only
Catholics in Heaven.They are there with faith and the baptism of water
and without mortal sins on their soul.
With
there being no personally known cases, of non Catholics saved outside
the Church, there is no theological basis, for the New Theology, New
Ecumenism, New Ecclesiology, New Evangelisation etc.
I
have been active , for many years, with the Focolares, Charismatic
Renewal, Neo Catechumenal Way of Kiko Arguello and the Legion of Mary.
I
have organized inter faith meetings along with a Franciscan friend and
priest, Fr. Rasheed.Today such meetings would be a part of mission, for
me, and an opportunity to proclaim the faith,while tolerating the views
of others. It would be a proclamation for the pleasure of proclaiming
the Gospel.Not necessarily to expect a convert. Conversion depends upon
the person and God.
I was born in a Catholic family and was baptised as an infant. I am a fan of Teresa of Avila. -Lionel Andrades
I was born in a Catholic family and was baptised as an infant. I am a fan of Teresa of Avila. -Lionel Andrades
I affirm the Athanasius Creed and Vatican Council II
I am a Catholic in Rome peacefully living my Catholic beliefs. I do not force them on anyone.So I would expect others to be tolerant of me as I am of them. I affirm Vatican Council II, interpreted without the common false premise. I also affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), without the common irrationality, as did the Magisterium in the 16th century and the Church Fathers.
I accept hypothetical cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB)and being saved in invincible ignorance, as being just hypothetical. They are not objective and personally known people in the present times(2019). So they are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church.Invisible people cannnot be visible examples of salvation outside the Church.
So I do not project BOD,BOB and I.I as objective exceptions to Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II, which says all need faith and baptism for salvation. All.
The norm for salvation, for me, is faith and the baptism of water, in the Catholic Church.This is the teaching of the Catholic Church in Vatican Council II(AG 7), Catechism of the Catholic Church(845,846,1257) and other magisterial documents, which I interpret without confusing what is invisible as being visible, implicit as being explicit, subjective as being objective.
For me the Church indicates in its magisterial documents, including Vatican Council II, that all who are outside the Church are on the way to Hell.This includes those who know or do not know about Jesus and the Church and the necessity of membership for salvation.
For me LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are not practical exceptions to EENS or AG 7.
If anyone is saved they would only be known to God. We cannot judge a particular person on earth and claim he or she will be saved , as an exception, to exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
So for me, most people on earth are oriented to Hell.Since they die without faith and the baptism of water(AG 7, LG 14).
Ad Gentes
7 is quoted in the Catechism of the Catholic Church under the sub-title
Outside the Church there is no salvation.All who are saved are saved
through Jesus and the Church.This does not contradict the teaching on
all needing to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation (AG
7).The Church is the Sacrament of salvation.All need to become members
with faith and baptism, for salvation and there are no exceptions in the
present times.
Other religions have good and holy things(NA 2) but they also have inefficiencies, superstition and errors ( Dominus Iesus). They cannot be considered equal paths to salvation with the Catholic Church.Their members are oriented to the Church and are all called to become a part of the Catholic Church.(CDF, Notification,Fr.Jacques Dupuis,2001)
Vatican Council II is in harmony with the concept of exclusive salvation, as held by St. Maximilian Kolbe, Alphonse Ratisbonne, St.Francis of Assisi, St. Catherine of Sienna, Padre Pio and numerous other saints.The Bible tells us that the Catholic Church is the Mystical Body of Jesus.Outside of the Catholic Church there is no salvation( John 3:5, Mark 16:16 etc).
I affirm the Nicene and Apostles Creed interpreted with hypothetical cases just being hypothetical.I would be ready to make a Profession of Faith.I affirm the Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation.
I am not in schism with the past popes on EENS( Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441),an ecumenism of return( which I affirm with Unitatis Redintigratio, Vatican Council II interpreted rationally) and an exclusivist ecclesiology( supported by Lumen Gentium interpreted rationally , without the false premise).
I am not a sedevacantist and nor am I a traditionalist who only attends the Latin Mass. The ecclesiology of the Mass, for me, in all rites, is the same before and after Vatican Council II. I attend Mass in the vernacular with the ecclesiology of the missionaries of the Middle Ages, which was a golden period in the history of the Catholic Church.
Since there is no known salvation outside the Church and there are no known exceptions to the strict interpretation of EENS, for me, there are only Catholics in Heaven.They are there with faith and the baptism of water and without mortal sins on their soul.
With there being no personally known cases, of non Catholics saved outside the Church, there is no theological basis, for the New Theology, New Ecumenism, New Ecclesiology, New Evangelisation etc.
I have been active , for many years, with the Focolares, Charismatic Renewal, Neo Catechumenal Way of Kiko Arguello and the Legion of Mary.
I have organized inter faith meetings along with a Franciscan friend and priest, Fr. Rasheed.
Today such meetings would be a part of mission, for me, and an opportunity to proclaim the faith.I would tolerate the views of others. It would be a proclamation since I like to proclaim the Gospel.Not necessarily expecting a conversion, which depends upon the person and God.
I was born in a Catholic family and was baptised as an infant. I am a fan of Teresa of Avila. -Lionel Andrades
Today such meetings would be a part of mission, for me, and an opportunity to proclaim the faith.I would tolerate the views of others. It would be a proclamation since I like to proclaim the Gospel.Not necessarily expecting a conversion, which depends upon the person and God.
I was born in a Catholic family and was baptised as an infant. I am a fan of Teresa of Avila. -Lionel Andrades
‘Pachamama’ snatcher to lead prayer protest against pro-LGBT benefit concert in Vienna cathedral
VIENNA, Austria, November 29, 2019 (LifeSiteNews)
― A group of Catholics headed by the young Austrian who threw
"Pachamama" idols in the Tiber river will pray the rosary outside
Vienna’s Catholic cathedral tomorrow in reparation for a pro-LBGT
concert that will be held within.
Alexander Tschugguel, one of the founders of the St. Boniface Institute,
has announced that the group will hold a rosary tomorrow night outside
St. Stephen’s Cathedral, the mother church of the Archdiocese of
Vienna.
"On Saturday, November 30th, that is, tomorrow, we will gather at
22:15 in front of St. Stephen's Cathedral to pray a rosary for all the
people who are attending an event unacceptable to us Catholics inside
the Cathedral,” Tschugguel wrote on Facebook this afternoon.
"'Believe Together' is part of a series of events organized by Gery Keszler and his association ‘LIFE +’,” he continued.
“Among other things, Thomas Neuwirth [aka drag queen ‘Conchita
Wurst’] will perform under his new pseudonym ‘WURST’ and sing in the
cathedral itself.”
Tschugguel told LifeSiteNews that he isn’t worried about being
attacked by the audience or being charged with trespassing as the group
will be outside the cathedral in the Stephansplatz (cathedral square).
Anyone entering the Cathedral on Saturday evening will have to buy a
ticket, which also rankles the St. Boniface Institute: they are opposed
to people having to pay to visit the Cathedral.
The young married layman said that St. Stephan’s Cathedral is very important to him personally.
“When I go into the city and I pass the Cathedral, I often go inside
and pray there because there is a wonderful Hungarian pilgrimage picture
[the Máriapócs icon] on the right-hand side,” he said.
“On the right side there is also a chapel where you can go at any
time for Adoration, and a confession area which is always filled with
priests, very good priests, to hear confessions.”
Tschugguel explained that the Cathedral is a “wonderful place to
pray” also because tourists are kept to a small area, leaving the rest
of the building free for those who appreciate it for its sacred role.
“It is terrible and a shame that things like this event ‘Believe
Together’ can happen in our cathedral, and we will pray for the people
who go inside to see and join this happening, “ he said.
The St. Boniface Institute will be live streaming the rosary.
This will be Tschugguel’s second public action against the
desecration of Catholic churches by profane events permitted by Catholic
clergy. In October, idols
representing the Andean goddess Pachamama were used in ceremonies
before and during the Synod of Bishops for the Pan-Amazonian Region in
Rome. Tschugguel visited Rome and saw the idols enshrined in the
Carmelite Church of Santa Maria in Traspontina. He later returned with a
friend to remove the profane statuettes and cast them into the Tiber.
Reaction to Tschugguel’s action was mixed, with some pundits accusing him of racism and others, including such prelates
as Cardinal Gerhard Müller, Cardinal Walter Brandmüller, Cardinal Jorge
Urosa Savino, Bishop José Luis Azcona Hermoso, Bishop Marian Eleganti,
and Bishop Athanasius Schneider, offering him high praise. Archbishop
Carlo Maria Viganò called Tschugguel “a hero.”
Tomorrow’s event in St. Stephen’s Cathedral is the third time
Vienna’s Cardinal Archbishop has allowed the pro-LGBT “LIFE+”
association to use the church as a venue for the World AIDS Day charity concert that will take place on Saturday, Nov. 30.
The event last year,
which Cardinal Schönborn attended, featured a shirtless actor known for
playing homosexual roles standing on the altar rail, loud rock and
electronic music, and actors dressed as demons.
Continued
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pachamama-snatcher-to-lead-prayer-protest-against-pro-lgbt-benefit-concert-in-vienna-cathedral
Vienna Cardinal Schönborn to host ‘blasphemous’ pro-LGBT benefit concert in Cathedral again
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vienna-cardinal-schoenborn-to-host-blasphemous-pro-lgbt-benefit-concert-in-cathedral-again
Friday, November 29, 2019
The Minim priests pretend, with the support of their Superiors,that LG 16, GS 22 etc refer to physically visible people.Then they do not have to affirm the past missionary ecclesiology of Alphonse Ratisbonne, Theodore Ratisbonne, St. Maximillian Kolbe and St. Francis of Paula.
There was the feast of the Miraculous Medal last Wednesday and I found myself kneeling below the statue of St. Maximilian Kolbe, near the Altar of the Miracle, in the Basilica of San Andrea delle Fratte, Rome.The church was full.They prayed the full four Mysteries of the Rosary. All four Mysteries, one after another.They have been doing this on every 27th of the month, at the basilica.
For me it was just like at Medugorje.
After every one of the 20 decades there would be a prayer calling upon Our Lady to help us convert.She was Our Lady of Conversion.
By conversion they meant a change of heart towards God, in all aspects of life.
They could even have meant a conversion into the Catholic Church, to escape Hell, as St. Maximillian Kolbe and Alphonse Ratisbonne would teach.
When there is a true conversion of heart in a non Catholic, he will enter the Catholic Church and remain in it to avoid Hell.
The Gospel of John 3:16-18 says all need to convert to Jesus and into the Church his Mystical Body. Vatican Council II says all need to convert with faith and baptism(AG 7).The Catechisms say all need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation(1257,845,846)
Alphonse Ratisbonne converted into the Catholic Church and so did his brother Theodore. They became missionaries and priests.
Our Lady showed Alphonse Ratisbonne the beauty and importance of the Catholic Church for the salvation of all people.He converted at that moment, near the Altar of the Miracle in the church, where I was kneeling.
Our Lady did not tell Ratisbonne that he only needed to believe in Jesus and he could remain a Jew.
She showed him the importance of being a member of the Catholic Church.
But for the Minim Fathers, of St. Francis of Paola, at the basilica, every one does not need to convert into the Catholic Church.Invisible cases of LG 16, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II are visible exceptions, to St. Francis of Paola's teaching on there being exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church.
How can invisible people be visible exceptions to all needing to enter the Church for salvation? I once asked an Italian Minim priest at the basilica.
Where are the people saved in invincible ignorance(LG 16) or with good will(GS 22) outside the Church?, I asked him.
For him too faith and baptism was the norm for salvation. He agreed.But for him there still were practical exceptions to the norm.This was non traditional and irrational for me. He contradicted the Bible( John 3:5, Mark 16:16) and the popes over the centuries.This was not the theology of Catherine Laboure,when Our Lady asked her to have a Miraculous Medal made.
She held the strict interpretation of EENS and she could not see someone saved in invincible ignorance or with good will outside the Church.Physically it was not possible.
So the Minim priests pretend, with the support of their Superiors,that LG 16, GS 22 etc refer to physically visible people.Then they do not have to affirm the past missionary ecclesiology of Alphonse Ratisbonne, Theodore Ratisbonne, St. Maximillian Kolbe and St. Francis of Paula.-Lionel Andrades
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A New Ecclesiology based upon there being exceptions to EENS has to be rejected by Cardinal Raymond Burke.
If there are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) then they would have to be visible since invisible people cannot be exceptions.Someone who is not there cannot be an example of salvation outside the Church.So when the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I), are projected as exceptions to the strict interpretatioin of EENS, it is implied, that they refer to physically visible and personally known people. Otherwise how could they be exceptions?
Do you personally know of someone saved outside the Church in 2019? No.
Can you meet or see such a person? No.
When the popes and saints mentioned BOD, BOB and I.I were there known exceptions to EENS, in particular people? No.
When Vatican Council II mentions LG 16 ( invincible ignorance), LG 14 ( case of the unknown catechumen who dies before receiving the baptism of water and is saved) are they practical exceptions to EENS? No.
So Cardinal Raymond Burke could clarify that he is a rational human being and for him BOD,BOB and I.I are not exceptions to the strict 16th- century- interpretation of EENS.
Also LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II does not contradict the past ecclesiology. Since there is no known salvation outside the Church, in personal cases, in the present times.
There are none mentioned in Unitatis Redintigratio. So there can only remain an ecumenism of return.
A New Ecclesiology based upon there being exceptions to EENS has to be rejected by Cardinal Raymond Burke.-Lionel Andrades
November 29, 2019
Cardinal Raymond Burke's Oath of Fidelity as a bishop is meaningless since he interprets Vatican Council II with an irrationality.This false premise creates a rupture with de fide teachings of the Church.It results in heresy, which is an impediment to offering Mass. He does not issue a denial to end the scandal.To change the meaning of the Creeds, Catechism and Vatican Council II with alleged visible cases of BOD,BOB and I.I is heresy and a mortal sin. It is schism with the past popes. To offer Mass in this condition would be a sacrilege.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/cardinal-raymond-burkes-oath-of.html
Cardinal Raymond Burke's Oath of Fidelity as a bishop is meaningless since he interprets Vatican Council II with an irrationality.This false premise creates a rupture with de fide teachings of the Church.It results in heresy, which is an impediment to offering Mass. He does not issue a denial to end the scandal.To change the meaning of the Creeds, Catechism and Vatican Council II with alleged visible cases of BOD,BOB and I.I is heresy and a mortal sin. It is schism with the past popes. To offer Mass in this condition would be a sacrilege.
He has interpreted Vatican Council II and EENS irrationally and so is in a rupture with the past Magisterium. He confuses what is invisible as being visible.He has rejected the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX on outside the Church there is no salvation, a exclusivist ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return and the necessity for the proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King.
He projects BOD, BOB and I.I as exceptions to EENS. This changes the interpretation of the Nicene and Apostles Creed . This is first class heresy.The Nicene Creed for him would be saying 'I believe in three or more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church'. In the Apostles Creed, when it is said 'I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church', for him it would mean, 'I believe in the Holy Spirit which teaches the Church that outside the Church there is known salvation, there is known salvation and so documents which affirm the traditional teaching on outside the Church there is no salvation should be made obsolete.'
If there was no known salvation outside the Church for him he would be affirming Feeneyite EENS. If there were no exceptions to the dogma EENS for him he would be affirming the strict interpretation of EENS according to the 16th century priests at the Traditional Latin Mass.But for him there are exceptions to EENS.
Cardinal Burke was ordained to the priesthood by Pope Paul VI who interpreted Vatican Council II irrationally too, even though there was a rational choice.
The irrational interpretation of the Council was maintained by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger and the 1983 Cod of Canon Law supports the irrationality.
For Cardinal Raymond Burke BOD, BOB and I.I refer to physically visible cases since they are exceptions to EENS for him. Invisible cases cannot be exceptions to EENS. For him there are known non Catholics saved outside the Church.
Only if there are known non Catholics saved outside the Church can there be exceptions to EENS.
But such people will only be known to God.They are not part of our reality. They are not physical bodies in Newton's time and space.
They cannot be exceptions to exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. This was the mistake made also by Pope Paul VI and it was repeated by the popes who followed.-Lionel Andrades
TERMS CLARIFIED
BOD(
Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the
baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved
and now in Heaven)
BOB (Baptism of Blood. The case of unknown person who is in Heaven as a martyr without the baptism of water)
I.I (Invincible
ignorance: The case of an unknown non Catholics who is in Heaven
without faith and baptism and instead in invincible ignorance.)
LG
8 ( Lumen Gentium 8: The case of the unknown person saved outside the
Church with 'elements of sanctification and truth' or where the true
Church of Christ allegedly subsists.
LG 14 (Lumen Gentium 14: Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the
baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved
and now in Heaven)
LG
16 ( Lumen Gentium 16: The case of the unknown person saved outside the
Church in invincible ignorance and who is now in Heaven without faith
and the baptism of water)
UR
3 (Unitatitis Redintigratiio 3, Vatican Council II : The case of the
unknown Christian, who is saved in his religions without Catholic faith
or the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and is allegedly known to
someone on earth who has seen him or her in Heaven).
NA
2( Nostra Aetate 2: The case of the unknown non Catholic saved outside
the Catholic Church without faith and baptism. He or she is saved with
good and holy things in other religion or with the a ray of that Truth
which enlightens all mankind.
GS
22 (Gaudium et Specs 22. The case of the unknown non Catholic who is
saved outside the Catholic Church. He or she is saved without faith and
baptism but with goodwill.
With the false premise there are 'objective exceptions' to EENS. There are visible exceptions to the Athanasius Creed, the Nicene Creed is changed, there is a new understanding of the Nicene Creed etc :-
8. Traditional mission based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church is rejected. Since with the false premise, there is salvation outside the Church.
9.Inter faith marriages which are not Sacraments are common held.It is no more adultery. Since the non Catholic spouse could be saved outside the Church it is assumed. A posibility which could only be known to God is assumed to be a practical exception to EENS and a literally known case of salvation outside the Church in a personal case.
10. There is a new heretical ecclesiology at Holy Mass in all the rites and liturgies. The Latin Mass today does not have the same exclusivist ecclesiology of the Tridentine Rite Mass of the missionaries in the 16th century.
FALSE PREMISE DEFINED
Their false premise is:-
1. Invisible people are visible.
2.Unknown case of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are personally known.
3.The
unknown case of the catechumen who desired the baptism of water but
dies before he received it and is saved, is a personally known person.
4.There is known salvation outside the Catholic Church for us human beings.
5.We can see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water.
6.We can physically see non Catholics in Heaven and on earth who are saved without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).
7.There are non Catholics who are dead- men visible and walking who are saved outside the Church.
8.There are known people in invincible ignorance through no fault of their own, who are saved.
9.There are some Anglicans and Protestants whom we know who are going to Heaven even though they are outside the Catholic Church.
10.There are some non Catholics whom we know, who are dead, and now are in Heaven, even though they were not Catholic.
With the false premise there are 'objective exceptions' to EENS. There are visible exceptions to the Athanasius Creed, the Nicene Creed is changed, there is a new understanding of the Nicene Creed etc :-
1. The Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation is contradicted.
2. The Nicene Creed in which we say, 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' over
the centuries referred to only one known baptism, the baptism of
water.The baptism of desire etc cannot be given to someone like the
baptism of water.But now the understanding is ' I believe in three or
more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins ( desire,blood and
ignorance) and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic
Church'.
3. The
Apostles Creed says ' we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic
Church'. Over the centuries it was understood that the Holy Spirit
guided the Catholic Church and taught that there was no salvation
outside the Church.Now unknown cases of the baptism of desire, baptism
of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, and LG 8, UR 3, NA2,
GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, are assumd to be objective examples of
salvation outside the Church.
4.In the past three Church Councils defined the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS)
in the extraordinary Magisterium .It was an 'infallible teaching' for
Pope Pius X( Letter of the Holy Offie 1949).Now it is obsolete with
their being alleged known salvation outside the Church.
5.Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are interpreted with the false premise so they become a rupture with EENS( Feeneyite), the Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc.
5.Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are interpreted with the false premise so they become a rupture with EENS( Feeneyite), the Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc.
6.With
the false premise the Catechism of Pope Pius X contradict itself. It
affirms the strict interpretation of EENS while invincible invincible
ignorance is intepreted as referring to personally known non Catholics
saved outside the Chuch.Invincible ignorance is not seen as a
hypothetical case only.
7.Redemptoris
Missio, Dominus Iesus, Ecclesia in Asia, Balamand Declaration etc were
all written upholding the false premise. They did not support exclusive
salvation in the Catholic Church. So in a subtle way they contradicted
EENS(Feeneyite), the Athanasius Creed etc. They did not support the past
ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.They are Christological without
the traditional ecclesiocentric ecclesiology. It's Christ without the
necessity of membership in the Catholic Church for salvation.8. Traditional mission based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church is rejected. Since with the false premise, there is salvation outside the Church.
9.Inter faith marriages which are not Sacraments are common held.It is no more adultery. Since the non Catholic spouse could be saved outside the Church it is assumed. A posibility which could only be known to God is assumed to be a practical exception to EENS and a literally known case of salvation outside the Church in a personal case.
10. There is a new heretical ecclesiology at Holy Mass in all the rites and liturgies. The Latin Mass today does not have the same exclusivist ecclesiology of the Tridentine Rite Mass of the missionaries in the 16th century.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/cardinal-reinhold-marx-of-munich.html
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HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN THE LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 TO THE ARCHBISHOP O
OF BOSTON WHICH FOR THEM ARE NOT HYPOTHETICAL.
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January 26, 2018
Hilary White and Massimo Faggioli interpret the Catechism, Vatican Council II and Letter of the Holy Office with hypothetical cases not being hypothetical : so there is a rupture with Tradition (with graphics)
EXAMPLES OF THE HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN THE CATECHISM FOR THEM WHICH ARE NOT HYPOTHETICAL.
1. 'God is not limited to the Sacraments'(CCC 1257)
'2.all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body'(CC(CCC 846).
3. Those 'justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians'(CCC 818).
4. They are 'joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."(CCC 838).
5. 'the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims'(CCC 841).
1. 'God is not limited to the Sacraments'(CCC 1257)
'2.all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body'(CC(CCC 846).
3. Those 'justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians'(CCC 818).
4. They are 'joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."(CCC 838).
5. 'the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims'(CCC 841).
EXAMPLES OF HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN VATICAN COUNCIL II FOR THEM WHICH ARE NOT HYPOTHETICAL.
1. 'elements of sanctification and truth'in other religions(LG 8),
2..'good and holy' things in other religions(NA 2),
3..'a ray of that Truth which enlightens' all men(NA 2),
4.'imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3),
5.' people of good will in other religions'(GS 22),
6.' seeds of the Word'(AG 11),
7.'invincible ignorance'(LG 16),
8.'a good conscience'(LG 16) etc.
2..'good and holy' things in other religions(NA 2),
3..'a ray of that Truth which enlightens' all men(NA 2),
4.'imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3),
5.' people of good will in other religions'(GS 22),
6.' seeds of the Word'(AG 11),
7.'invincible ignorance'(LG 16),
8.'a good conscience'(LG 16) etc.
OF BOSTON WHICH FOR THEM ARE NOT HYPOTHETICAL.
1.Therefore,
no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely
established by Christ, nevertheless refuses to submit to the Church or
withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.(We do not know who this person is in particular so it is a hypothetical case.)
2.In
His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects, necessary for one
to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's
final end, not by intrinsic necessity, but only by divine institution,
can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used
only in desire and longing.(We do not know any one in particular as such so this is a hypothetical case.)
3.Therefore,
that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that
he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is
necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.(
If there is any such person he or she would only be known to God. So
this passage is irrelevant to the dogma EENS. It cannot be an
exception.Since it is a reference to an invisible person for us.)
4.However,
this desire need not always be explicit, as it is in catechumens; but
when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an
implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good
disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to
the will of God.(This is a reference to an unknown catechumen)
5.For
in this letter the Sovereign Pontiff clearly distinguishes between
those who are actually incorporated into the Church as members, and
those who are united to the Church only by desire.(
Again we have a theoretical and hypothetical reference. We do not know
who is united to the Church only in desire and will be saved.) -Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/01/hilary-white-and-massimo-faggioli.html
November 28, 2019
For Cardinal Raymond Burke, Archbishop Giacomo Morandi, Bishop Athanasius Schneider, Fr. John Zuhlsdorf, Roberto dei Mattei and numerous others there are visible exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). Visible? But where are they seen ?
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/for-cardinal-raymond-burke-archbishop.html
November 27, 2019
The Oath of Fidelity as a Bishop made by Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider was based upon an irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II and so it was false.When Cardinal Burke was appointed by Pope John Paul II to the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura,he did not interpret Vatican Council II rationally.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-oath-of-fidelity-as-bishop-made-by.html
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