Tuesday, April 6, 2021

It is important for the MHFM to acknowledge this point. Since it would also change their interpretation of Vatican Council II

 Whatever the arguments for or against the baptism of desire posted on the website of the Most Holy Family Monastery(MHFM) by Michael and Peter Dimond, the bottom line is that there are no objective cases of the baptism of desire for us human beings.They do not exist in our reality. There are no literal cases.They are always hypothetical. So they do not contradict the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) according to Michael and Peter.

This point is not acknowledge i.e there are no physical cases, there are no practical cases of the baptism of desire. If they happened they would only be known to God.

So whatever St. Thomas Aquinas or the Council of Florence may state, the baptism of desire does not contradict exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.

It is important for the MHFM to acknowledge this point.

Since it would also change their interpretation of Vatican Council II.

There are no physically visible cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in 1965-2021. So Vatican Council II does not have any practical exception for Feeneyite EENS.The Council does not have a hermeneutic of rupture with the Council of Florence on EENS.Instead there is a continuity with Tradition.

It is a common mistake among the traditionalists ( Thucs, Lefebvrists and Feeneyites) to project LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc as being practical exceptions to EENS.

They conclude that LG 14 ( baptism of desire) is a practical exception to EENS and so Vatican Council II is a rupture with Tradition(EENS). Their premise is that LG 14 refers to a physically visible case at Newton's level of matter.It would have to be physically visible and known to be a practical exception. An invisible person cannot be an exception to Feeneyite EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24 Q,27Q).Someone who is not practically there cannot be an example of salvation outside the Catholic Church in 2021.

 But this is a false premise. It is also the mistake made by the MHFM.

They can acknowledge the error and correct it.-Lionel Andrades




Information

 

The Best Argument Against "Baptism of Desire"

 

A lot of excellent information! A lot of interesting information!

 

Reggie Johnson

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Day 5 - Divine Mercy Novena | 2021

Repost : Liberalism based on Cushingite Vatican Council II is obsolete.The average Catholic, the rank and file Catholic is intelligent enough to know what is rational and who is faking it.

 

MARCH 17, 2018

Liberalism based on Cushingite Vatican Council II is obsolete.The average Catholic, the rank and file Catholic is intelligent enough to know what is rational and who is faking it.








Fr.Leonard Feeney is the key to resolving the doctrinal crisis in the Church over Vatican Council II.If you accept Fr. Feeney as being correct then Vatican Council II is not a rupture with Tradition.Since invisible for us baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) are not visible exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).This is how you would reason.This would be normal.





LG 8,LG 16 NOT EXCEPTIONS TO TRADITIONAL EENS WHEN FEENEYISM IS THE REASONING
So LG 8, LG 14,LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22, AG 11( seeds of the Word) etc would not be exceptions to traditional EENS.You would simply say that LG 8, LG 16,UR 3 etc like BOD,BOB and I.I are just hypothetical cases.Speculative possibilities accepted with good will but with no connection to EENS.They are not a problem for a Feeneyite Catholic, for whom hypothetical cases are just hypothetical.

VATICAN COUNCIL WITH FEENEYITE REASONING DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE PAST ECCLESIOLOGY OF THE CHURCH
Then Vatican Council II would not contradict the past ecclesiology of the Church upon which there could only be an ecumenism of return.
It was upon the past exclusivist ecclesiology that there was traditional Mission and the proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King.
So affirming EENS according to Fr. Leonard Feeney and the Magisterium  of the 16th century is important when Catholics have to interpret Vatican Council II. It is the same with the Nicene Creed and all the Catechisms.

MAGISTERIUM NOT ALLOWED TO INTERPRET VATICAN COUNCIL II WITH FEENEYITE REASONING
Presently the Magisterium is not allowed to interpret Vatican Council II with Feeneyism(hypothetical cases of LG 16 etc are just hypothetical).They have to choose irrational Cushingism( hypothetical cases are objective examples of salvation outside the Church in the present times.LG 16 refers to visible people).However the average educated Catholic is not limited.The rank and file Catholic can go ahead and interpret Vatican Council with Feeneyism( hypothetical cases are just hypothetical and not known examples of salvation outside the Church).This is common sense.One does not have to know theology to realize this.

MAGISTERIUM CONTRADICTS ITSELF FORCED TO USE CUSHINGITE IRRATIONAL REASONING.
The Magisterium however,also has to interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1994) as if they contradict itself.Catholics blindly follow. Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation and Ad Gentes 7 also suggest that there is the case of the catechumen saved with the baptism of desire.The Catechism says the Church knows of no means to eternal beatitude (CCC1257) but God is not limited to the Sacraments.It is yes and no for the non-discerning Catholic.
So  Vatican Council II and the Catechism can be read with Cushingism( LG 16 contradicts AG 7) or Feeneyism(invisible cases of LG 16 do not contradict AG 7 or EENS).All need the baptism of water in the Catholic Church for salvation and when God is not limited to the Sacraments it is known only to God. So CCC 1257 does not contradict itself when Feeneyism is the reasoning.

CUSHINGISM CREATES POPE BENEDICT'S HERMENEUTIC OF RUPTURE WITH THE PAST
Cushingism creates, what Pope Benedict called, the hermeneutic of rupture with the past.Feeneyism brings a continuity with the past and avoids a schism with the past popes. Ironically Pope Benedict was a Cushingite.
So when you are a Feeneyite you are not in schism with the popes of the past on EENS.When you are a Cushingite you are saying that there is known salvation outside the Church when no one can know of any known salvation outside the Church.

CARDINAL LUIZ LADARIA ESCAPED WITH CUSHINGITE LG 8
At the Press Conference this month on Placuit Deo Cardinal Luiz Ladaria s.j said Lumen Gentium 8 was an exception to the past exclusivist understanding of salvation in the Church.

POPE BENEDICT GOT AWAY WITH CUSHINGITE VATICAN COUNCIL II AND EENS
In March 2016 Pope  Benedict said EENS was no more like it was for the missionaries of the 16th century.Vatican Council II (Cushingite and not Feeneyite) was ' a development' for him ( and not for me, a Feeneyite).

BISHOP SANBORN AND FR.CEKADA COMFORTABLE WITH VATICAN COUNCIL II AND EENS CUSHINGITE
Then in March 2015 the sedevacantists Bishop Donald Sanborn and Fr. Anthony Cekada indicated to me, via e-mails, that they would like to continue to interpret Vatican Council II with irrational Cushingism.They are well established in the USA and have property and finances under their control. They were not yet ready to affirm Feeneyite Vatican Council II or EENS.

BISHOP MARK PIVARUNAS WILL NOT CHOOSE VATICAN COUNCIL II FEENEYITE
Then in March 2018 there is no denial from Bishop Mark Pivarunas the Superior General of the sedevacantist community Congregatio Mariae Reginae Immaculatae(CMRI),USA.For him Vatican Council II (Cushingite) is a rupture with EENS(Feeneyite) and BOD(Cushingite) is a rupture with EENS ( Feeneyite). So he will not affirm Vatican Council II, EENS and BOD with the Feeneyite reasoning. Instead he will continue to project Vatican Council II (Cushingite) as a rupture with Quanta Cura, Syllabus of Errors etc.Vatican Council II (Feeneyite) for me is not a rupture with these Church documents.Our premises are different and so our conclusions are different.The conclusion of the sedevacantists and traditionalists is non traditional.

SEDEVACANTISM BASED ON THE REJECTION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II IS OBSOLETE
For those who have an insight into all this and are clear on my concepts of Feeneyism and Cushingism, it would be easy for them to see that sedevacantism based on Vatican Council II(Cushingite) is obsolete. Over time the average Catholic will know when his bishop is faking it.There will be Catholics who will proclaim the truth and not be worried about their bank accounnt, professorship,tenure, accreditation, mandatum etc.Sedevacantists will know that they can affirm Vatican Council II with Feeneyism, as a philosophy and theology.
The average Catholic would know that Cushingism is irrational and a ploy in the Church.


TRADITIONALISTS WILL KNOW THAT THEY CAN AFFIRM VATICAN COUNCIL II FEENEYITE.
Similarly in future Traditionalism with the rejection of Vatican Council II( Feeneyite) would be obsolete in as much as the writings of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre on Vatican Council II and EENS are obsolete.He did not know about Vatican Council II and EENS Feeneyite.



LIBERALISM  BASED ON VATICAN COUNCIL II CUSHINGITE IS ALSO OBSOLETE
Similarly liberalism based on Cushingite Vatican Council II is obsolete.The average Catholic, the rank and file Catholic is intelligent enough to know what is rational and who is faking it.
Cardinal Luiz Ladaria got away with it on March 1, 2018 since the traditionalists and sedevacantist Catholic leaders are still knocked out by Satan.They do not want to affirm EENS and Vatican Council II, Feeneyite.-Lionel Andrades
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Repost . Archbishop Lefebvre's books are now obsolete

 

AUGUST 5, 2017

Archbishop Lefebvre's books are now obsolete

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Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was correct. Vatican Council II(Cushingite) was a rupture with Tradition. It was heretical.He was right to reject it.
The SSPX bishops were also correct to reject Vatican Council II which was commonly interpreted with an irrational premise.
VATICAN COUNCIL II HAS CHANGED DOGMA ACCORDING TO POPE BENEDICT XVI
This would seem obvious, for example, when it refers to being saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) which would mean there is salvation outside the Church. So as Pope Benedict XVI confirmed last year, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus is no more like it was for the missionaries of the 16th century. Vatican Council II is a rupture with the magisterium of the 16th century.So Vatican Council II is not a pastoral Council it has changed dogma.
ARCHBISHOP LEFEBVRE WAS CORRECT TO REJECT ALL THIS
Since LG 16 is an exception to the dogma EENS it means that the old ecclesiology of the Church has been done away with. Now with salvation outside the Church there can be the Anonymous Christian saved in his religion. This was the foundation for the new ecumenism. So it was said that a non Christian does not necessily have to enter the Church for salvation.Since he could be saved in invincible ignorance. He could be saved with the baptism of desire. He could be saved with 'seeds of the Word' all without 'faith and baptism'.Archbishop Lefebvre was correct to reject all this.
So this was a grand rupture with Tradition.Doctrine has been changed. I repeat - Vatican Council II was not a pastoral Council as some of the traditionalists like to believe. Archbishop Lefebvre rejected this interpretation of Vatican Council II and the popes did not.Image result for Photo J'accuse le ConcileImage result for Photo J'accuse le Concile

They all made a mistake.
There was an obvious mistake and it was overlooked.
It got pass every one.
Reason it out. 
If LG 16 is an exception to the dogma EENS then it would have to be known.An unknown person cannot be an exception.If there is a box of oranges and there is an apple in the box the apple is an exception because it is different but also becuase it is there in that box.
Someone has to exist and be visible to be an exception to the teaching on all needing to be members of the Church for salvation (Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441).
This person would have to live in our reality. We would have to know his name and surname.
So this was the inference.
It is upon this inference that we have the New Theology of Vatican Council II accepted by the popes and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.
And there is no such person. There cannot be any such person.
No one in our life time.
How can we humans know of someone saved outside the Church? He would be in Heaven. How can we see people in Heaven saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water? This would be known only to God.
For us humans this is ' a zero case' as John Martignoni, the apologist puts it.The baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are not exceptions to the dogma EENS said Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson.

Fr.Stefano Visintin osb, the new Benedictine Rector at the Pontifical University of St. Anselm, Rome agrees with him.

MYSTICI CORPORIS  REFERS TO A HYPOTHETICAL CASE
So LG 16 was really a hypothetical case. It was speculative and theoretical and not an exception to the dogma EENS. 
It never was an exception even in the past.Mystici Corporis is referring to a hypothetical case. The Catechism of the Council of Trent is referring to an unknown person. When the Catechism of Pope Pius X mentions invincible ignorance it was not an exception to EENS at that time.St.Thomas Aquinas was not saying there was a known case of a catechumen who desired the baptism of water and died before he received and so was now in Heaven.This had to be wrongly inferred by the liberal theologians.
The Holy Office 1949, Cardinal Richard Cushing and the Jesuits made a mistake.
Cardinal Cushing imposed the leftist excommunication on Fr. Leonard Feeney for over 19 years.So it gave him time to place the mistake in Vatican Council. The excommunication was political and supported by the Jewish Left.
There are now superflous references to being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I), baptism of desire(BOD) and baptism of blood (BOB) in Vatican Council II.
They are not a rupture with Tradition.Non existing cases on earth do not contradict  EENS ( Feeneyite) or the Syllabus of Errors.
Archbishop Lefebvre did not know this.
Pope John Paul II and Cardinal Ratzinger did not tell him about it.
He kept writing books criticizing Vatican Council II in which he interpreted LG 16 as being an exception to Tradition.When Archbishop Marcel Lefbvre wrote J'accuse le Concile and Letter to Confused Catholics  he did not know about Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite).
Even now after some 50 years the SSPX bishops still interpret LG 16 as referring to a visible case.

ARCHBISHOP LEFEBVRE'S WRITINGS DO NOT APPLY TO VATICAN COUNCIL II (FEENEYITE)
When LG 16, LG 8, LG 14, UR 3, AG 7, AG 14, GS 22,NA 2 etc are seen only as hypothetical cases in 2017 they are not a rupture with Tradition.We get a new interpretation of the Council which is traditional.
So it makes the writings of Archbishop Lefebvre obsolete.
They no more apply to Vatican Council II(Feeneyite). We now know that there cannot be a new ecumenism when the ecclesiology of the Church has not changed.So with a rational and traditional theology there can only be an ecumenism of return.
There cannot be salvation outside the Church for Jews etc when there is no known salvation outside the Church in 2017 to contradict traditional EENS as the missionareis in the 16th century knew it.Mission is still based on the old understanding of non Catholic religions and salvation.
We need to proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation and the non separation of Church and State since there is absolutely no salvation outside the Church.
Collegiality is not a problem when there is unity on doctrine. If all the bishops and popes are willing to affirm LG 16 as referring to invisible cases we are united on Vatican Council II(Feeneyite).
Religious liberty was never an issue in the past when the ecclesiology of the Church and State was exclusivist. The papal states allowed the Jews and other non Catholics to follow their religion.The religion of the state however taught outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation based on John 3:5 and Mark 16:16. Enter through the narrow gate for the road to Hell is wide and most people take it.(Matt.7:13).All this was unknown to Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX bishops since their premise was wrong. They accepted the objective error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston.SSPX bishops and priests are still interpreting Vatican Council II with the irrational inference.
Here is Bishop Fellay making the mistake.

MISTAKES BY BISHOP FELLAY AND FR. PIER PAOLO PETRUCCI

The same declaration (LG, 8) also recognizes the presence of “salvific elements” in non-Catholic Christian communities. The decree on ecumenism goes even further, adding that “the Spirit of Christ does not refrain from using these churches and communities as means of salvation, which derive their efficacy from the fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church.” (UR, 3)
Such statements are irreconcilable with the dogma “No salvation outside of the Church, which was reaffirmed by a Letter of the Holy Office on August 8, 1949". -Bishop Bernard Fellay (April 13, 2014 ) Letter to Friends and Benefactors no. 82  2
The same mistake was made by Father Pier Paulo Petrucci the present Superior of the SSPX at Albano, Italy. 3

ROME CAN COME BACK TO THE FAITH WITH VATICAN COUNCIL II (FEENEYITE)
When they accept or proclaim Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite, with LG 16 referring to an invisible case ) they are not rejecting Vatican Council II and neither are they rejecting Tradition.Instead as Archbishop Lefebvre suggested they can ask Rome to come back to the faith.IThey can do this in a simple way.They can choose a rational and traditional interpretation of the Council .It has an obvious continuity with the past and no ambiguity within it.

So it is meaningless to read the books of the good Archbishop. They belong to another time.He was correct that Vatican Council II (Cushingite- with LG referring to a visible case) was a rupture with Tradition and the SSPX should continue to reject it as their founder did.

WRONG TO EXCOMMUNICATE HIM
They were wrong to excommunicate him since the magisterium's interpretation of Vatican Council II was rupture with the past and was heretical. Instead there should be an apology.
It was a leftist excommunication as in the case of Fr. Leonard Feeney who was not teaching any thing new. We now know that invisIble for us being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire never ever was an exception to his interpretation of the dogma EENS.
-Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/08/archbishop-lefebvres-books-are-now.html

Divine Mercy Novena



The Divine Mercy novena prayers were given to St. Faustina through an apparition of our Lord Jesus. Each day has a new petition that seeks God’s mercy for different purposes. 

The message of Divine Mercy is a powerful and moving way to come closer to Christ. His Mercy is central to our lives and we must continually depend on it and ask for it daily.

 The Divine Mercy Novena begins on Good Friday and goes until Divine Mercy Saturday. 

 Divine Mercy Novena - Day 1

 Join in praying the Divine Mercy Novena In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

 "Today bring to Me ALL MANKIND, ESPECIALLY ALL SINNERS, and immerse them in the ocean of My mercy. In this way you will console Me in the bitter grief into which the loss of souls plunges Me."  Most Merciful Jesus, whose very nature it is to have compassion on us and to forgive us, do not look upon our sins but upon our trust which we place in Your infinite goodness. Receive us all into the abode of Your Most Compassionate Heart, and never let us escape from It. We beg this of You by Your love which unites You to the Father and the Holy Spirit.  Eternal Father, turn Your merciful gaze upon all mankind and especially upon poor sinners, all enfolded in the Most Compassionate Heart of Jesus. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion show us Your mercy, that we may praise the omnipotence of Your mercy for ever and ever.  Amen. In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet. 


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Divine Mercy Novena - Day 4 
Join in praying the Divine Mercy Novena In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

 "Today bring to Me THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD AND THOSE WHO DO NOT YET KNOW ME. I was thinking also of them during My bitter Passion, and their future zeal comforted My Heart. Immerse them in the ocean of My mercy."  Most compassionate Jesus, You are the Light of the whole world. Receive into the abode of Your Most Compassionate Heart the souls of those who do not believe in God and of those who as yet do not know You. Let the rays of Your grace enlighten them that they, too, together with us, may extol Your wonderful mercy; and do not let them escape from the abode which is Your Most Compassionate Heart.  Eternal Father, turn Your merciful gaze upon the souls of those who do not believe in You, and of those who as yet do not know You, but who are enclosed in the Most Compassionate Heart of Jesus. Draw them to the light of the Gospel. These souls do not know what great happiness it is to love You. Grant that they, too, may extol the generosity of Your mercy for endless ages.  Amen. In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet. 



When it is said that Lumen Gentium 16 ( invincible ignorance) is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and Catholic Tradition, this is a conclusion. The premise is that there are physically visible cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance.Otherwise there could not be exceptions. But this is a false premise

 When it is said that Lumen Gentium 16 ( invincible ignorance) is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and Catholic Tradition, this is a conclusion. The  premise is that there are physically visible cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance.Other wise there could not be exceptions. But this is a false premise.

So my premise and conclusion is different from others. Since LG 16 refers to invisible and hypothetical cases only for me. So LG 16 is not an exception to Feeneyite EENS. It is the same with LG 8, LG 14, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc. My conclusion is that they are not exceptions to Tradition and so there is no hermeneutic of rupture with Vatican Council II. -Lionel Andrades

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Pope Francis wants Vatican Council II to be interpreted like the Bologna School interpretation and that of the Lefebvrists. They both use a false premise to create a rupture with Tradition

 Pope Francis wants Vatican Council II to be interpreted like the Bologna School interpretation and that of the Lefebvrists. They both use a false premise to create a rupture with Tradition. - Lionel Andrades

Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Archbishop Secretaries of the CDF are interpreting Vatican Council II with a false premise and not without it. Without the false premise they would be Feeneyite traditionalists

 Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF) and the Archbishop Secretaries of the CDF are interpreting Vatican Council II with a false premise and not without it.

Without the false premise they would be Feeneyite traditionalists.

Since when the Council is interpreted without the false premise  they would be affirming an ecumenism of return and no  salvation outside the Church.

Now they interpret Vatican Council II like the liberals and Lefebvrists.So for them there are exceptions to Tradition ( EENS, Athanasius Creed, Syllabus of Errors etc). - Lionel Andrades

The weak point of the secularists is Vatican Council II

 The weak point of the secularists is Vatican Council I- Lionel Andrades

The Gregorian Mass is not a Mass in Latin

 


The Gregorian Mass is being made available in Rome.They are not in Latin but Italian and similar to the Novus Ordo Mass, which I attend. A few churches I noticed have invited parishioners, who are interested,even if their numbers are few, to contact the Parish Priest.

The churches do not make this announcement for the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM).

History of Gregorian Masses

Gregorian Masses take their name from Saint Gregory the Great, who was sovereign Pontiff from 590 to 604. St. Gregory the Great contributed to the spread of the pious practice of having these Masses celebrated for the deliverance of the souls from purgatory. In his Dialogues, he tells us that he had Masses on thirty consecutive days offered for the repose of the soul of Justus, a monk who had died in the convent of St. Andrew in Rome. At the end of the thirtieth Mass, the deceased appeared to one of his fellow monks and announced that he had been delivered from the flames of Purgatory.

https://www.shrineofdivinemercy.org/mass-gregorian

At the monastery of St. Gregory the Great in Rome the priest who offered Mass did not face the people.Also he did not project the baptism of desire as being an exception to traditional outside the Church there is no salvation.

Now if a priest does not project Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance ) as being an  exception to the Athanasius Creed ( no salvation outside the Church), he will not be allowd to offer Holy Mass here.

For then he would be saying that non Catholics are outside the Church.So they are on  the way to Hell.They are not worthy to receive the Eucharist.

Pope John Paul II mentioned conditions for receiving the Eucharist. St. Paul tells us to receive the Eucharist worthly. -Lionel Andrades