Saturday, December 22, 2018

Bishop Robert Barron follows Placuet Deo of Cardinal Ladaria : does not tell a non Catholic he needs to convert for salvation

In the deceptive line of Placeut Deo which denied the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) by assuming hypothetical and speculative cases like Gaudium et Specs 22 and Lumen Gentium 8 were practical exceptions to EENS, Bishop Robert Barron interprets Vatican Council II as saying someone outside the Church can be saved, is saved and known to be saved.So for him a non Catholic does not have to be a member of the Catholic Church to go to Heaven.
He does not tell Ben Shapiro that the Catholic Church says in Vatican Council II that he needs to enter the Church. He does not tell him that the Church says he will  damned, without 'faith and baptism'(Ad Gentes 7) which is the only known way of salvation in the Catholic Church.There are no known cases in real life of non Catholics saved with the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I).
Why? Why does he not tell Shapiro that the Catholic Church says he needs to convert for salvation?
1.He could have cited Ad Gentes 7 which say all need faith and baptism for salvation.
2. He could have cited the popes or the Catechism of Pope Pius X which says all need to be members of the Church for salvation. 
3.He could have cited the Catechism of the Catholic Church which says the Church does not know of any means to eternal beatitude other than the baptism of water(CCC 1257).
4.He could have cited the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus defined by three Church Councils etc, etc...
Why did he not do it?
Since for Bishop Barron like Cardinal Luiz Ladaria a hypothetical case mentioned in Vatican Council II is an exception to the general teaching on no salvation outside the Church. This error is there in one of Bishop Barron's  books.
Similarly at the Placuet Deo Press Conference when  Cardinal Ladaria was asked if the Church still teaches it has an exclusiveness in salvation, the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF), denied it.He cited Lumen Gentium 8 which  was an exception for him.This is not how I interpret Lumen Gentium 8.
Lumen Gentium 8 refers to a hypothetical case how can it be an exception ?
When Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation where is the case in 2018 of someone saved without faith and baptism ? There is no such person.
When the Catechism of Pope Pius X says all need to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation, where is the case of a non Catholic saved outside the Church in 2018 with 'elements of sanctification and truth'(LG 8)? There is no such person.
So how can a hypothetical and theoretical case(LG 8) be an objective exception to all needing the baptism of water for salvation(CCC 1257) ?

 A hypothetical case cannot be a practical exception to the dogma EENS.Period. Similarly the baptism of desire was never an exception to Feeneyite EENS.God made it this way. There is no baptism of desire case for us.
There is no case of invincible ignorance, which is an example of salvation outside the Church. There is no such case in real life. Practically we cannot meet or see someone saved in invincible ignorance, within or outside the Catholic Church.God made it this way, just as he made it only possible for women to have babies, water to fall only downwards and men to marry only women.He chose it this way.He also chose salvation to be there in only the Catholic Church.For centuries the Holy Spirit guided the Church to say that every one needs to accept Jesus in the Catholic Church for salvation. Every one needs to be a member of the Catholic Church with faith and baptism.

Bishop Barron and Cardinal Ladaria's reasoning were wrong.They both should not have cited Gaudium et Specs 22 ( good will and good conscience) as being relevant to the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.
Cardinal Ladaria should not have cited Gaudium et Specs 22 in the text of Placuet Deo nor pulled out Lumen Gentium 8 when responding to the question by the AP reporter, on whether the Church still had exclusive salvation for him.
The norm for salvation is 'faith and baptism' in the Catholic Church.It is not some hypothetical and speculative case mentioned in LG 8 and GS 22. 
For Bishop Barron before Ben Shapiro the exception is someone in another religion who is saved through Jesus and the Church(CCC 846).This is the new theology of Cardinal Ratzinger based on invisible cases of the baptism of desire,baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance being visible exceptions to the dogma EENS.
This person who is theoretically saved by Jesus in another religion for Bishop Barron, becomes an exception to the dogma EENS, Ad Gentes 7, the Catechism of Pope Pius X etc.This was the bad reasoning of Placuet Deo addressed to all bishops.
Bishop Barron then cites Gaudium et Specs 22 and says a man with good will,as an atheist,  can be saved.Once again he means a hypothetical case, a speculative case, completely unknown to any of us humans is an objective exception to the dogma EENS. It would have to be an objective person. An invisible person cannot be an exception to EENS.
This is bad philosophy i.e an invisible non Catholic is alleged to be physically visible.
It is also bad theology ( baron theology) i.e an unknown non Catholic is an example of salvation outside the Church and this invisible person contradicts the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation.
Cardinal Ladaria, Bishop Robert Barron , Pope Benedict... continue to test our intelligence and get away with it.
Bishop Barron refers to an atheist of good will who follows his conscience who can be saved. Who is this atheist? Does he know someone in particular? No.
A theoretical case of an atheist makes Ad Gentes 7 in Vatican Council II irrelevant and obsolete for the liberals American bishops.This is the USCCB policy. This is how Bishop Kevin Rhoades, the new Chairman of the USCCB Doctrinal Committee interprets Vatican Council II.
So when Jesus said to go out and proclaim the Good News, this case of the atheist, would be a general exception for them.
When Jesus said those who do not believe will be condemned ( Mark 16:16) there are exceptions for the liberals in LG 8, LG14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc.?
This is why Pope Benedict in March 2016( Avvenire) asked why was there a need for mission since for him the non existing exceptions of LG 8 etc in Vatican Council II are the objective norm.Similarly for Bishop Barron the theoretical and hypothetical exception is the norm for salvation and so he does not tell Shapiro that he needs to convert to avoid the fires of Hell.--Lionel Andrades






 DECEMBER 22, 2018


First Things produced a naive report on Placuet Deo

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/first-things-produced-naive-report-on.html



MAY 20, 2018

For Bishop Robert Barron Lumen Gentium 16( invincible ignorance) refers to objectively seen non Catholics saved outside the Church.So for him and Pope Benedict the dogma EENS is obsolete and they search for substitute reasons to evangelize  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/05/bishop-robert-barron-lumen-gentium-16.html









JUNE 7, 2018


According to St. Thomas Aquinas whom he admires Bishop Barron would be in first class heresy
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/bishop-barron-on-who-can-be-saved.html





First Things produced a naive report on Placuet Deo

The Unexpectedly Non Controversial Placuet Deo - First Things
The Doctrine of the Faith released a letter to the Catholic bishops of the world, titled Placuit Deo. The document addresses “Certain Aspects of Christian Salvation.” 
 Lionel: It does not affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS, according to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century. It considers invisible cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) as being visible examples of salvation outside the Church and so  are objective exceptions to the old teaching on all needing to be members of the Catholic Church, with faith and baptism(AG 7,Vatican Council II) for salvation.
So Placuet Deo, on salvation, is a rupture with traditional EENS, the Creeds interpreted without the false premise, Vatican Council II interpreted rationally, the Catechisms interpreted rationally, the Syllabus of Errors, the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return. Placuet Deo reinterprets BOD, BOB and I.I irrationally and so St. Thomas Aquinas would be contradicting himself,while the  Catechism of Pope Pius X and the Cathechism of the Catholic Church(1994) would have seemingly contradictory passages in themselves. 
It is gnostic and heretical.
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It considers the themes of the Congregation’s 2000 document, Dominus Iesus, through the lens of Francis’s critiques of Neo-Pelagianism and Neo-Gnosticism. 

 Lionel: Dominus Iesus like Redemptoris Missio was also written with the false inference i.e unknown cases of BOD, BOB and I.I were known exceptions to the the traditional interpretation of the dogma EENS, upon which was based the old exclusivist ecclesiology.So there was no strict interpretation of EENS in these two documents.
This was human error.The theology was created upon a false premise and inference which produced a non traditional conclusion.This at least, was not the work of the Holy Spirit.
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But Placuit Deo has other implications, especially for ecumenism under Francis and for the role of the Congregation in Francis’s pontificate. 
Lionel: Since Placuet Deo assumes there are known cases of BOD, BOB  and I.I and so the dogma EENS and the past ecclesiology is made obsolete, the ecumenism of return is no more valid.Theologically, there is salvation outside the Church.
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I learned of Placuit Deo’s release with some trepidation. It marks the first major document from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith since Francis sacked Gerhard Ludwig Cardinal Müller, applying the previously unknown principle that Curial officials should not expect to receive more than one term in office. This sacking followed a period of tension, reported by Marco Tosatti and Edward Pentin, among others, between Francis and Müller. What, I wondered, would the Congregation’s first major post-Müller document look like?
Lionel: As expected it is a break with Tradition on the salvation issue.
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It looks like a lot of previous documents from the Congregation. At the press conference, Archbishop Luis Ladaria Ferrer, the current prefect of the Congregation, noted that Placuit Deo had arisen from studies of the Congregation’s 2000 document, Dominus Iesus.
Lionel: Dominus Iesus was opposed by the liberal theologians who had rejected extra ecclesiam nulla salus.They did this by interpreting BOD, BOB and I.I and also Lumen Gentium 8 etc, as personally known non Catholics saved outside the Church.
Dominus Iesus 20 suggests the Church is necessary for salvation. It says we cannot separate Jesus from the Catholic Church and we cannot separate Jesus from the Kingdom of God.For many of the liberal theologicans evangelisation is 'Kingdom-oriented' and does not necessarily include membership in the Catholic Church.Others simply affirm Jesus without the Catholic Church.
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  It is fair to say that that document has been, in the seventeen years since its release, controversial. In particular, Dominus Iesus was seen as a retreat from the ecumenism of the Second Vatican Council.
 Lionel: The orthodox passages in Dominues Iesus are in harmony with the orthodox passages on salvation (Ad Gentes 7 etc) in Vatican Council II. Also the references to hypothetical passages in Vatican Council II (LG 8, LG 16, UR 3, GS 22 etc) do not contradict the passages in Dominues Iesus, which support the old ecclesiology of the Catholic Church.
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 But anyone who thought that the Congregation would reconsider Dominus Iesus under Francis will have been disapppointed with the new letter.
Lionel: Placuet Deo rejects the orthodox passages in Dominus Iesus by indicating that there is known salvation outside the Church( which is false) and that this is how Vatican Council II is to be interpreted i.e irrationally. Hypothetical cases are examples of known salvation in the present times outside the Church.So with LG 8 referring to known Catholics saved outside the Church for Cardinal Ladaria, he told the journalist from the Associated Press, at the Placuet Conference, that there was no more an exclusiveness in salvation in the Church. He meant that with a hypothetical and theoretical case(LG 8) there was an objective rupture for him,  with the past ecclesiology, upon which depended an ecumenism of return etc.
This was what the Left and the liberal theologians wanted to know.
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Indeed, as Fr. Aquinas Guilbeau noted on Twitter, Placuit Deo reads like a summary of Dominus Iesus. Austen Ivereigh, Francis’s biographer and staunch supporter, implied in a tweet that Placuit Deo advances the formula Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus.
Lionel: He means Placuet Deo 'develops' the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, which is another way of saying it rejects EENS and confirms it is obsolete. This was always the understanding of Pope Benedict and Cardinal Ladaria. They had made themselves clear in two papers of the International Theological Commission where they worked together, to produce official heresy and deception( See Christianity and the World Religions, ITC).
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Time will tell whether Placuit Deo has any effect on the warm relations Francis has enjoyed with Protestants.
 Lionel: The warm relations will continue since Placuet Deo, like Pope Francis and Pope Benedict's interpretation of EENS and Vatican Council II, says there is salvation outside the Church.Gaudium et Specs 22 is an exception. So it means Protestants do not need to convert into the Church to avoid Hell.
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Archbishop Ladaria’s letter is very clear that the Church and its seven sacraments are necessary for salvation.
 Lionel : He means this in a vague way. It is contradicted when he assumes there is salvation outside the Church. So there are exceptions for him. He rejects EENS.So there are exceptions for him.When there are exceptions, not every one needs to enter the Church. There are 'known' exceptions of BOD, BOB and I.I, LG 8,LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc.
Every one does not need to believe in Jesus for salvation. 
So the Christology and ecclesiocentric ecclesiology is no more the norm.The numerous exceptions make the norm.
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 Francis’s public acts have endorsed a broad ecumenism reminiscent of some of St. John Paul’s exuberant displays. Francis has been close to several Protestant ministers over the course of his pontificate, even appointing a Presbyterian minister, Marcelo Figueroa, as editor of the Argentine edition of L’Osservatore Romano. He commemorated the Protestant Reformation with Swedish Lutherans in Lund. He did not quite close the door on intercommunion for Protestant spouses of Catholics in a Q&A with Roman Lutherans.
Lionel: Now doctrinally and theologically Placuet Deo rejects the traditional understanding of salvation.It does not mention the necessity of membership in the Catholic Church to avoid Hell. There is also a new understanding of the necessity of Jesus for salvation.
The Protestant will say that every one needs to beleive in Jesus for salvation. The two popes and Cardinal Ladaria and Catholics  will say there are exceptions.So for Catholics there are even known exceptions to the Great Commission.
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It is possible that Francis’s reputation for ecumenism will smooth the rough edges of Placuit Deo. Consider Francis’s consistent outreach to the Society of St. Pius X. Francis has engaged in very public dialogue with the Society’s chief, Bishop Bernard Fellay. He has followed up this dialogue with concrete steps on his own initiative, such as giving Society priests faculties to hear confessions and witness marriage, despite their unusual canonical status. One suspects that the opponents of the Society would not have received these developments so tamely if Benedict XVI had implemented them. It is possible that Francis’s personality will spare Placuit Deo some of the controversy that attended Dominus Iesus.
Lionel : Placuet Deo is generally heretical and is a rupture with Tradition on EENS, the Syllabus of Errors, the Creeds and other Magisterial documents. The SSPX is not aware of it.
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Placuit Deo also tells us something about Francis’s fraught relationship with Cardinal Müller. Back in 2015, Cardinal Müller suggested that the Holy Office’s role in Francis’s pontificate was to provide it with theological structure. In an interview with La Croix, Müller observed that, whereas Benedict XVI was a theologian by training, other popes, such as St. John XXIII and Francis, have not been.
Lionel: Since the time of Pope Pius XII all the popes have been interpreting magisterial documents by assuming unknown cases of BOD, BOB and I.I are known exceptions to the past ecclesiology.This was also the irrational reasoning of the Church Fathers at Vatican Council II.
This was how Fr. Karl Rahner s.j reasoned when he placed the Letter of the Holy Office 1949, in the Denzinger. This was the new reasoning, of Fr. Joseph Raztinger. Archbishop Lefebvre had no objections.
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Progressives reacted with alarm to Müller’s statements. Andrea Tornielli, widely seen as one of Francis’s preferred journalists, suggested that Müller’s frequent public statements were tied to this vision of the Congregation. Grant Gallicho, writing at Commonweal, implied that Müller was discounting other modes of theology, and that he was subtly usurping the pope’s role as theological architect of his pontificate.
Lionel: Cardinal Muller also interpreted BOD, BOB and I.I irrationally as did other ecclesiastics at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, like Archbishop Guido Pozzo.
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But after Placuit Deo, is it possible to reject Cardinal Müller’s vision of the Congregation under a pope like Francis? The letter takes two of Francis’s preoccupations—Neo-Pelagianism and Neo-Gnosticism—and expands them in terms consistent with previous theological documents from the Congregation.
 Lionel: It seems as if this was a decoy.
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 Archbishop Ladaria, therefore, has provided Francis’s pontificate with a theological structure consistent with the prior teachings of the Church. How he has done that is interesting, too.
 Lionel : He has continued with the deception which is now public.His attention had been drawn to numerous reports on this subject on the Internet. E-mails have personally be sent to him and others at the CDF.
We now know what causes the hermeneutic of rupture or continuity with the past. The two popes and Cardinal Ladaria intentionally seek the hermeneutic of rupture. For this they are obliged to use a false premise to interpret BOD, BOB and I.I and LG 8 etc as a rupture with the past.Placuet Deo is in line with this deceptive and innovative theology.
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One noteworthy aspect of Placuit Deo is the extent to which Archbishop Ladaria has interpreted Francis’s preoccupation with Neo-Pelagianism. Francis has often criticized Neo-Pelagians—his term for rigid rule-followers, a category that for him seems to comprise almost exclusively pious, orthodox Catholics. Placuit Deo, by contrast, condemns a radical autonomy that earns salvation through its own efforts or through purely human structures. Edward Pentin notes that when Ladaria was asked why Francis’s concept of Neo-Pelagianism did not find its way into the document, the prefect said there was “no particular reason.” In other words, Placuit Deo discounts Francis’s polemical concept of Neo-Pelagianism and substitutes something closer to the actual meaning of the term. 
Placuit Deo seems to acknowledge that Francis’s terminology—the lens through which Ladaria must approach Dominus Iesus—is imprecise. Ladaria recognizes that “insofar as Gnosticism and Pelagianism represent perennial dangers for misunderstanding Biblical faith, it is possible to find similarities between the ancient heresies and the modern tendencies.” But he cautions that “the comparison with the Pelagian and Gnostic heresies intends only to recall general common features, without entering into judgments on the exact nature of the ancient errors.”
 Lionel : Placuet Deo is gnostic and repeats the ancient errors.-Lionel Andrades
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This seems like a genteel way of saying that Francis’s Neo-Pelagianism and Neo-Gnosticism are not actually much like Pelagianism and Gnosticism, except perhaps in the broadest terms. 
I wonder whether Placuit Deo would have had such a warm reception if the previous prefect had signed it. Certainly the document is in keeping with his vision for the Congregation during Francis’s pontificate. But Ladaria’s reinterpretion of Neo-Pelagianism and implicit critique of the pope’s terminology would no doubt have been met with criticism from the usual quarters if Cardinal Müller had attempted them.
P.J. Smith writes from southern Indiana.
 https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2018/03/the-unexpectedly-non-controversial-placuit-deo



December 21, 2018



Why are the Placuet Deo mistakes not detected by Catholics at large ?( Graphics)    https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/why-is-placuet-deo-mistakes-not.html

 

December 21, 2018









Irrationality and heresy Edward Pentin overlooked : Placuet Deo  https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/irrationality-and-heresy-edward-pentin.html

 

December 20, 2018




CDF is a congregation for doctrinal confusion : Ladaria supports heresy and offers Holy Mass 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/cdf-is-congregation-for-doctrinal.html

 

December 19, 2018

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CDF Prefect and present two popes violate the Principle of Non Contradiction ( Graphics)   https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/cdf-prefect-and-presetnt-two-popes.html

 

December 19, 2018




Cardinal Ladaria needs to resign instead he is holding doctrinal talks with the SSPX (Graphics)    https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/cardinal-ladaria-needs-to-resign.html


DECEMBER 17, 2018




The Church is Necessary
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-church-is-necessary.html



DECEMBER 20, 2018

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La Chiesa è Necessaria

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/la-chiesa-e-necessaria.html


DECEMBER 19, 2018



The Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF) does not affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) in harmony with Vatican Council II. He is holding doctrinal talks with the Society of St. Pius X(SSPX) when he should be asked to recant or resign

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-prefect-of-congregation-for.html


 DECEMBER 19, 2018

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The secret Vatican-SSPX doctrinal talks are not being made public, even though both sides claim to be Catholic.Cardinal Ladaria uses an irrationality to interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with EENS.So deception is in his interest https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-secret-vatican-sspx-doctrinal-talks.html


 DECEMBER 18, 2018





Gospel of John says all need to believe in Jesus for salvation and we do not know of any practical exceptions ; we cannot know of any exceptions to the Great Commission

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/gospel-of-john-says-all-need-to-believe.html






DECEMBER 16, 2018



The faculty of the Thomas More College(TMC) of Liberal Arts, N.H, USA is not eligible to teach according to Canon Law since they reject the Syllbus of Errors , Athanasius Creed, past catechisms, original understanding of the Nicene Creed,the dogma EENS and reinterpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with Tradition when it is not: Phil Lawler could be an exception

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-faculty-of-thomas-more-collegetmc.html



DECEMBER 18, 2018



Phil Lawler is orthodox on EENS and Vatican Council II.William Fahey, the TMC President, is irrational, heretical and non Catholic like Cardinal Sean O'Malley and Bishop Peter Anthony Libasci.They are automatically excommunicated for changing the understanding of the Creeds

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/phil-lawler-is-orthodox-on-eens-and.html



 DECEMBER 15, 2018


There is a rupture between faith and reaoson at the Thomas More College of Liberal Arts, New Hampshire : the President does not deny it in specific points   https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/there-is-rupture-between-faith-and.html


DECEMBER 14, 2018


Faculty at the Thomas More College of Liberal Arts will not theologically and doctrinally discuss this issue

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/faculty-at-thomas-more-college-of.html

DECEMBER 13, 2018






At the Thomas More College of Liberal Arts they do not affirm orthodoxy and deny teaching heresy : they follow present day ecclesiastics in a rupture with the past Magisterium

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/at-thomas-more-college-of-liberal-arts.html

DECEMBER 13, 2018


Faculty divided

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/faculty-divided.html


DECEMBER 12, 2018

Phil Lawler contradicts William and Amy Fahey on the faculty of Thomas More College of Liberal Arts :Nicene Creed changed 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/phil-lawler-contradicts-william-and-amy.html


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