Saturday, August 31, 2019

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When I say there is a schism from the Left I am identifying a reality which can be corrected.It is not permanent.The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) can make an announcement and correct the common mistake

When I say there is a schism from the Left I am identifying a reality which can be corrected.It is not permanent.The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) can make an announcement and correct the common error.

I affirm all magisterial documents. I am not in schism or a sedevacantist.I affirm Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).

1.When I say that there are no personally known and visible cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance in our reality every one agrees with me.

2.When I say that Vatican Council II(Ad Gentes 7) says all need faith and baptism for salvation, every one agrees with me.

So this is basically what I have to say. The ordinary means of salvation, the norm for salvation is faith and baptism and there are no known exceptions.There is no known salvation outside the Church. There is no known extraordinary means of salvation for us human beings.

The popes,cardinals and bishops can agree with me on these two points.

So we are back to the old ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return and outside the church there is no salvation without rejecting Vatican Council II. Instead Vatican Council II is my primary reference.

So the ecclesiastics at the CDF would agree with me on these two important points which can end the present schism from the Left.

To this schism Catholics need to see that the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) are not exceptions to EENS .Neither are LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc exceptions to 16th century EENS.So the Church still teaches exclusive salvation. The Catholic Church affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS.

Now that we know there is no known salvation outside the Church we can correct the error.Possibilities of salvation outside the Church are known only to God are not real people in 2019. So there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II or the Catechism of the Catholic Church to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return. 1

People usually say that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are exceptions to the dogmaextra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) when they really should be saying that they are not exceptions.

They should address the issue of schism in the Catholic Church created with the interpretation of magisterial documents with irrational Cushingism, especially Vatican Council II.2

Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II, the Catechisms and Creeds and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) with the irrational premise and so the schism is corrected. He can stop doing this and tell others to do the same.

Division is caused when the popes, cardinals and bishops interpret Vatican Council II with an irrationality to create a division and rupture with Tradition (EENS, Syllabus of Errors).They could begin by explaining the difference between Vatican Council II interpreted with a false premise and a Council interpreted without it.They could then show how Vatican Council II with the false premise is divisive and schismatic and without this error, the Church returns to orthodoxy. -Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/bradley-eli-at-church-militant-tv-uses.html

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/us-bishops-should-address-issue-of.html

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Poland, Hungary and Slovakia follow the irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus .So there is no tension with a schismatic Vatican.The bishops conferences support the leftist schism in the Catholic Church.

Poland, Hungary and Slovakia follow the irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) .So there is no tension with a schismatic Vatican.The bishops conferences support the leftist schism in the Catholic Church.

The bishops conferences are not aware that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF) are supporting a schism, with the popes of the past.

They have to use a false premise to create a rupture with the past ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return and the proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King with the non separation of Church and State.

1.So with the false premise, Catholics in Poland, Hungary, Slovakia,Croatia etc reject the Athanasius Creed which states outside the Church there is no salvation.
2.They then reject the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to the Magisterium of the 16th century.

3.They have changed the Nicene Creed with their understanding of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I, referring to personally known, visible and objective non Catholics saved outside the Church. So it is no more, 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins'.Instead it is 'I believe in three or more baptisms for the forgiveness of sins ( desire, blood, invincible ignorance), they are visible and personally known and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.'

4.They have changed the understanding of the Apostles Creed.When we say 'I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church'.For centuries the Holy Spirit taught outside the Church there is salvation. Now the new teaching is outside the Church there is known salvation.

5.They interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise and so LG 8 emerges as an exception to the dogma EENS. This was expressed officially and in public by Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj, at the Placuet Deo Press Conference when a journalist of the Associated Press asked him, if the Church still held that it had the superiority and exclusiveness in salvation.

A priest in Rome who offered the Traditional Latin Mass said that there were no known cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance. They would only be known to God. So he was saying that BOD, BOB and I.I were not exceptions to EENS.
This was common sense.
It is obvious that we cannot know of any one saved outside or within the Church with BOD,BOB and I.I.

But for saying this , which I mentioned on this blog, this priest was called up by Archbishop Matteo Zuppi.He was at that time the Auxiliary Bishop of Rome and an active member of the Sant Egido community.

The priest was indirectly saying that he was no more supporting the Leftist schism in the Catholic Church. He was saying that there could only be the traditional strict interpretation of EENS since BOD, BOB and I.I could not be physical exceptions to EENS.

This was not allowed.

The Archbishop then came and met the community.After a week the priest was allowed to offer Holy Mass.

Other priests who do not accept the Leftist schism in the Catholic Church supported with Anti Semitic and under leftist laws, are treated in the same way.

Catholic religious, who go back to Tradition, ignoring the irrational interpretation of magisterial documents by using a false premise, are being persecuted by ecclesiastical Masonry.

The St.Benedict Center, New Hampshire, who affirms extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and Vatican Council II without the false premise, has been officially labelled non Catholic.This is the decision of Bishop Peter Libasci, bishop of the Diocese of Manchester, USA and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF).The decision was approved by the far left Southern Poverty Law Center(SPLC).They would not sue the diocese and the Vatican under some leftist law they have created.

Similarly, after Michael Voris produced a good video saying that the Catholic Church is the fulfillment and completion of the Jewish religion and that outside the Catholic Church, there is no salvation. The Archbishop of Detroit, asked Michael not to call his media , Real Catholic TV. So Michael had to remove the word Catholic.Otherwise he would legally not be Catholic for the Left.

Until today CMTV cannot make that particular video available for all and restrict it to premium members of CMTV.

Michael Voris reacted with a program critical of Abraham Foxman and the ADL.

Presently the Catholic bishops conferences of Poland, Hungary and Slovakia are also following this irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II and EENS and and so there is no tension with a schismatic Vatican on this point.-Lionel Andrades

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Presently the popes, the CDF and the Vatican Curia support the schism from the Left

A schism from the Left is still a schism. They have put aside the Athanasius Creed, changed the interpretation of the Nicene and Apostles Creed, changed the interpretation of Vatican Council II and all the Catechisms, rejected the Syllabus of Errors, past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return and still expect Catholics to accept mortal sins of faith.

This is a schism with the popes and Magisterium of the past.

In March 2016 Pope Benedict confirmed that he did not interpret extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) like the missionaries in the 16th century. He also interpreted Vatican Council II in LG 16, GS 22 etc, referring to known non Catholics saved outside the Church. So they were objective exceptions to the dogma EENS according to the 16th century Magisterium.He was using the false premise.1

He also indicated in the Avvenire interview that with his interpretation of Vatican Council II , there was no need for mission any more.
This is a schism with the popes and Magisterium of the past.2

Now to end this schism Catholics need to see that the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) are not exceptions to EENS .Neither are LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc exceptions to 16th century EENS.So the Church still teaches exclusive salvation. The Catholic Church affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS.

Presently the popes, the CDF and the Vatican Curia support the schism from the Left.-Lionel Andrades

Their false premise is:-

1. Invisible people are visible.

2.Unknown case of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are personally known.

3.The unknown case of the catechumen who desired the baptism of water but dies before he received it and is saved, is a personally known person.

4.There is known salvation outside the Catholic Church for us human beings.

5.We can see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water.

6.We can physically see non Catholics in Heaven and on earth who are saved without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).

7.There are non Catholics who are dead- men visible and walking who are saved outside the Church.

8.There are known people in invincible ignorance through no fault of their own, who are saved.

9.There are some Anglicans and Protestants whom we know who are going to Heaven even though they are outside the Catholic Church.

10.There are some non Catholics whom we know, who are dead, and now are in Heaven, even though they were not Catholic.

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So with the false premise there are objective exceptions to EENS etc:-

1. The Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation is contradicted.

2. The Nicene Creed in which we say, 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' over the centuries referred to only one known baptism, the baptism of water.The baptism of desire etc cannot be given to someone like the baptism of water.But now the understanding is ' I believe in three or more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins ( desire,blood and ignorance) and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church'.

3. The Apostles Creed says ' we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church'. Over the centuries it was understood that the Holy Spirit guided the Catholic Church and taught that there was no salvation outside the Church.Now unknown cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, and LG 8, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, are assumd to be objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

4.In the past three Church Councils defined the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) in the extraordinary Magisterium .It was an 'infallible teaching' for Pope Pius X( Letter of the Holy Offie 1949).Now it is obsolete with their being alleged known salvation outside the Church.
5.Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are interpreted with the false premise so they become a rupture with EENS( Feeneyite), the Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc.

6.With the false premise the Catechism of Pope Pius X contradict itself. It affirms the strict interpretation of EENS while invincible invincible ignorance is intepreted as referring to personally known non Catholics saved outside the Chuch.Invincible ignorance is not seen as a hypothetical case only.

7.Redemptoris Missio, Dominus Iesus, Ecclesia in Asia, Balamand Declaration etc were all written upholding the false premise. They did not support exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. So in a subtle way they contradicted EENS(Feeneyite), the Athanasius Creed etc. They did not support the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.They are Christological without the traditional ecclesiocentric ecclesiology. It's Christ without the necessity of membership in the Catholic Church for salvation.
8. Traditional mission based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church is rejected. Since with the false premise, there is salvation outside the Church.
9.Inter faith marriages which are not Sacraments are common held.It is no more adultery. Since the non Catholic spouse could be saved outside the Church it is assumed. A posibility which could only be known to God is assumed to be a practical exception to EENS and a literally known case of salvation outside the Church in a personal case.
10. There is a new heretical ecclesiology at Holy Mass in all the rites and liturgies. The Latin Mass today does not have the same exclusivist ecclesiology of the Tridentine Rite Mass of the missionaries in the 16th century.

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Friday, August 30, 2019

Michael Matt says Archbishop Lefebvre trained priests in Catholic doctrine - this is false.

Michael Matt says Archbishop Lefebvre trained priests in Catholic doctrine - this is false.

Lefebvre interpreted Vatican Council II with a false premise.

Lefebvre interpreted extra ecclesiam nulla salus with a false premise.

Lefebvre interpreted the Catechism of Pope Pius X with a false premise.

Lefebvre interpreted the Nicene Creed with a false premise.

Lefebvre discarded the Athanasius Creed with a false premise

Etc, etc.

This is not Catholic doctrine.

This is schism with the past popes on de fide teaching of the Church.

This is not traditionalism. It is a rupture with Tradition.

-Lionel Andrades

AUGUST 29, 2019

Yves Congar and the progressive group at Vatican Council II did not know that the Council was being interpreted with a false premise. Without this premise the Council would still have the old ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return and the traditional exclusive salvation theology

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/yves-congar-and-progressive-group-at.html

AUGUST 29, 2019

Cardinal Reinhard Marx of Munich organised a meeting on Vatican Council II in Rome. The participants interpreted Vatican Council II with a false premise. So there was a rupture with the old ecumenism of return and EENS

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/cardinal-reinhold-marx-of-munich.html

AUGUST 29, 2019

Bradley Eli at Church Militant TV uses a list of false premises. He uses it to create a rupture with Tradition.So there is a schism with the past popes and the past Magisterium.Since with a false premise 'objective' exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus are created. Even the past exclusivist ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return, the Syllabus of Errors, the Athanasius Creed etc. are contradicted. This is schism. It is officially approved schism

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/bradley-eli-at-church-militant-tv-uses.html

AUGUST 27, 2019

SSPX wrongly interprets the Second Vatican Council with irrational Cushingism instead of Feeneyism : SPX FAQ Videos

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/what-is-second-vatican-council-episode.html

AUGUST 27, 2019

Pope Paul VI and the popes upto Francis have interpreted Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism. Pope Paul VI had a choice.He chose the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition : New York Times on Vatican Council II

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/pope-paul-vi-and-popes-upto-francis.html

AUGUST 27, 2019

Wikipedia interprets Vatican Council II with Cushingism and contributes to the confusion

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/wikipedia-interprets-vatican-council-ii.html

AUGUST 27, 2019

With Vatican Council II (Cushingite) there is a 'new revelation' in the Catholic Church.This liberal reading causes the hermeneutic of rupture with the past. It is obsolete since it is based upon an irrationality. A rational Feeneyite version is available
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/with-vatican-council-ii-cushingism.html

AUGUST 27, 2019

People usually say that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) when they really should be saying that they are not exceptions. People have been conditioned to see LG 8 etc as exceptions

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/people-usually-say-that-lg-8-lg-14-lg.html

A schism from the Left is created when the present two popes and the ecclesiastics at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and conservative Catholic bishops who blindly follow them, say there are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).

A schism from the Left is created when the present two popes and the ecclesiastics at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and conservative Catholic bishops who blindly follow them, say there are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).It is enforced by the Jewish Left with Anti Semitic and other laws.

When it said there are exceptions, it is implied that there are known non Catholics saved outside the Church. There are visible and personally known people saved outside the Catholic Church without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7, LG 14).They would have to be known and visible to be exceptions. Unknown and invisible people cannot be examples of salvation outside the Church.So they are not exceptions to EENS.

Since there are exceptions to the past exclusivist ecclesiology there is a change in doctrine and theology in the Church.There is a new theology which says outside the Church there is salvation.Every one does not need to be a member of the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.

Hypothetical cases and speculative possibilities known only to God are considered real and known people saved outside the Church. The are saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water. So with these 'exceptions' the Creeds and catechisms have been changed.Vatican Council II is interpreted irrationally.LG 8 is an 'exception' to EENS. There is a new ecclesiology.It is based upon invisible non Catholics being visible.

The Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation is made obsolete and so the dogma EENS defined by three Church Councils in the Extraordinary Magisterium is also contradicted.This is schism. It is schism with a false premise supported by the Left.

So today to be a Catholic in good standing with the Church one has to reject the Athanasius Creed.The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus too has to be put aside.So also other de fide teachings of the past popes.There is a new understanding of the Nicene Creed and the Apostles Creed.This is first class heresy and more schism.The Profession of Faith is now modernist.

With the false premise (invisible non Catholics arevisible), the old ecclesiology and traditional ecumenism of return, are finished. There are allegedly known Protestants saved outside the Church. The past popes have been rejected on ecumenism.
Traditional rational theology, is replaced,with the false premise. So now it is the New Ecumenism, New Theology, New Ecclesiology, New Evangelisation...but with a rupture between faith and reason and a violation of the Principle of Non Contradiction.

To reject the Creed or change its meaning is a mortal sin of faith. EENS is a de fide teaching of the Church.It has to be accepted and not changed.

This is a schism with the popes and Magisterium of the Catholic Church before Pius XII.

What I write here is not a condemnation.I write so that the problem is identified and then corrected.

We need to stop saying that there are exceptions to Feeneyite EENS since there are none that we can know of as human beings.

We need to stop saying that outside the Church there is salvation.Not any more. Since there is no person whom we can know who is saved outside the Church in the present times. No one saw St. Emerentiana in Heaven without the baptism of water.The Church does not say that someone had the charism to see her in Heaven without the baptism of water.

To end the schism with the magisterium and missionaries of the 16th century, the popes and the CDF, need to affirm EENS and the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I).This was what the popes before Pius XII did.
BOD, BOB and I.I must not be seen as exceptions to EENS. Similarly LG 8, LG14, LG16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc must not be seen as exceptions to 16th century EENS.This is being rational.

Cardinals and bishops must interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with 16th century EENS or they become schismatic.

They need to affirm the past exclusivist ecclesiology , an ecumenism of return, the Syllabus of Errors, and the Athanasius Creed without mixing up what is invisible as being visible.They must make the subjective-objective distinction.Hypothetical cannot be considered objectively known and seen in the present times(2019), even if this is politically correct with the Left.
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Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider though conservative on many issues are schismatic on Vatican Council II and the Creeds and Catechisms. This is first class heresy.
Vatican Council II is a rupture with Feeneyite EENS, the Athanasius Creed, Syllabus of Errors etc for them.

They need to affirm magisterial documents without confusing what is invisible as being visible and then projecting these documents as a rupture with EENS according to the 16th century Magisterium.

BOD,BOB and I.I are not exceptions to EENS.We can affirm EENS and BOD, BOB and I.I.It is not either-or. They are compatible.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/ten-prominent-examples-of-cushingism-in.html
The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 made an objective mistake in the Fr. Leonard Feeney case.It assumed BOD, BOB and I.I were exceptions to EENS. So the Letter implied that BOD, BOB and I.I referred to personally known non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Chrch.
This irrationality was overlooked at Vatican Council II and theology was de-reailed.An irrationality and falsehood is the basis of the New Theology , Cushingite theology.

Cushingite theology, approved by the Left in the interpretation of Vatican Council II, is predominant in the whole Church.The Church today is Cushingite like it once was Arian.No one today speaks of Feeneyite theology for the intepretation of the Council-text.

Cushingism is approved by the bishops' conferences which needto identify the error and correct it, with a clarification.

The ordinary lay Catholic in Germany, Malta, USA, England etc must be told that the Catholic Church still teaches the strict interpretation of EENS. Since EENS (Feeneyite) is not contradicted by Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite- without the false premise), the Catechisms (interpreted without the false premise) and the Creeds ( interpreted without the false premise and inference).
So we are back to the old ecclesiology .Mission based on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church only.There is no rupture any more with the Church Fathers and the popes of the Middle Ages.

With Cushingite philosophy ( invisible people are physically visible) and theology( outside the Church there is known salvation), an artificial and schismatic rupture is created, with the past.It leads to mortal sins of faith, scandal and sacrilege.

Without the irrationality ( outside the Church there is known salvation, since possibilities are known people saved outside the Church today) the ecclesiology of the Church is the same at Holy Mass in all rites.Mass in the vernacular is the same Mass of the centuries.

-Lionel Andrades

Thursday, August 29, 2019

When the SSPX and the CDF interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise, this could be the start of reconciliation on doctrine and theology : Roberto de Mattei, on Vatican Council II

The Second Vatican Council and the Message of Fatima

(Roberto de Mattei, Rorate Caeli, 02 august 2017)

Rorate Caeli, Corrispondenza Romana and other Catholic news-outlets, carried a valuable intervention by Monsignor Athanasius Schneider on the “Interpretation of the Second Vatican Council and its relationship with the current crisis in the Church”.

Lionel: Mons. Athanasius Schneider interprets the Council with a false premise 1 and so his conclusion is non traditional and heretical. If he avoided the premise the Council would not contradict other magisterial documents.Now it does. 2 So his interpretation of the Council is schismatic.3 It is that of the popes from Paul VI to Francis. It is the official schism of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith whose Prefect is Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj.

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According to the auxiliary Bishop of Astana, Vatican II was a pastoral Council and its texts should be read and judged in the light of the perennial teaching of the Church. In fact “From an objective point of view, the statements of the Magisterium (Popes and councils) of definitive character, have more value and more weight compared with the statements of pastoral character, which have naturally a changeable and temporary quality depending on historical circumstances or responding to pastoral situations of a certain period of time, as it is the case with the major part of the statements of Vatican II.”

Lionel : But when Mons. Schneider interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise he contradicts dogmatic teachings like no salvation outside the Church.

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Monsignor Schneider’s article was followed on July 31st by a balanced comment from Don Angel Citati of the FSSPX (http://www.sanpiox.it/attualita/1991-suaviter-in-modo-fortiter-in-re), according to which the German Bishop’s position recalls very closely what was repeated constantly by Monsignor Marcel Lefebvre: “To say that we evaluate the Council’s documents “in the light of Tradition”, means, evidently, three indissoluble things: that we accept those that are in keeping with Tradition; that we interpret those that are ambiguous according to Tradition; that we reject those that are contrary to Tradition” ( (Mons. M. Lefebvre, Vi trasmetto quello che ho ricevuto.

Lionel : Mons.Marcel Lefebvre interpreted the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with the false premise. He assumed unknown cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance were known exceptions to 16th century EENS.

He then interpreted Vatican Council II with the false premise.He assumed unknown cases in the present times, referenced in LG 8, LG 16, GS 22, NA 2 etc, were personally known non Catholics saved outside the Church. So Vatican Council II with this false premise emerged with the hermeneutic of rupture.Mons. Lefebvre then blamed the Council not knowing the precise cause of the rupture. This was non traditional.

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Tradizione perenne e futuro della Chiesa, [I transmit what I have received. Perennial Tradition and the future of the Church] by Alessandro Gnocchi and Mario Palmaro, Sugarco Edizioni, Milano 2010, p. 91). Having been published on the official site of the Italian District, Don Citati’s article helps us understand what might be the base of an agreement to regularize the canonical situation of the Fraternity of Pius X.

Lionel: When the SSPX and the CDF interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise, this could be the start of reconciliation on doctrine and theology.4

Presently both groups say that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) when they really should be saying that they are not exceptions.

They have conditioned Catholics to see LG 8 etc as exceptions.

They have been conditioned to see LG 8 etc as objective people, known and visible. But there are no such cases.

This is the mistake made by the CDF and the SSPX.

The conditioning has come from the Letter of the Holy Office 1949(LOHO). The liberal theologians assumed the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance (I.I) were exceptions to EENS when they really should have said that they are not exceptions to EENS.

People have been conditioned to see BOD, BOB and I.I as exceptions.

They have been conditioned to see BOD,BOB and I.I as objective people, known and visible, but there are no such cases.This is a mistake both groups could correct. The interpretation of Vatican Council II changes.-Lionel Andrades

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It must be added that, on the theological level, all of the distinctions can and have to be made to interpret the texts of Vatican II, which was a legitimate Council: the twenty-first in the Catholic Church. Its documents from time to time may be defined pastoral or dogmatic, provisional or definitive, in keeping or not in keeping with Tradition.

Monsignor Brunero Gheradini, in his recent works offers us an example of how a theological judgment may be articulated, if it wants to be precise (Il Concilio Vaticano II un discorso da fare, Casa Mariana, Frigento 2009 e Id., Un Concilio mancato, Lindau, Torino 2011). Each text, for a theologian, has a different quality and a different degree of authority and cogency. Hence the debate is open.

On the historical level, however, Vatican II constitutes a non-decomposable block: It has its own unity, its essence, its nature. Considered in its origins, its implementation and consequences, it can be described as a Revolution in mentality and language, which has profoundly changed the life of the Church, initiating a moral and religious crisis without precedent. If the theological judgment may be vague and comprehensive, the judgment of history is merciless and without appeal. The Second Vatican Council was not only unsuccessful or a failure: it was a catastrophe for the Church.

Since this year is the centenary of the Apparitions of Fatima, let us consider this point only. When Vatican II opened in October 1962, Catholics from all over the world were waiting for the disclosing of the Third Secret and the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate heart of Mary. John Haffert’s Blue Army led a mass campaign for years in this regard.

What better occasion for John XXIII ( died 3rd June 1963), Paul VI and with circa 3000 bishops gathered around them, in the very heart of Christendom, to meet Our Lady’s requests in a solemn and unanimous way? On February 3rd 1964, Monsignor Geraldo de Proença Sigaud, personally delivered to Paul VI, a petition signed by 510 prelates from 78 countries, which implored the Pontiff, in union with all the bishops, to consecrate the world and in an explicit manner, Russia, to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. The Pope and most of the Council Fathers ignored the appeal.

If the Consecration request had been done, great graces would have poured down on humanity. A movement of a return to the natural and Christian law would have begun. Communism would have fallen many years earlier, in an non-fictitious way, but authentic and real. Russia would have converted and the world would have experienced an age of peace and order. Our Lady had promised this.

The failed consecration allowed Russia to continue spreading its errors throughout the world and these errors conquered the highest ranks of the Church, inviting a terrible chastisement for all of humanity. Paul VI and the majority of the Council Fathers assumed a historical responsibility for which today we gauge the consequences.