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Vatican Council II must always be
interpreted rationally .The Italian Ministries of Interior, External Affairs
and Education, interpret the Council irrationally. They need to clarify if the
Bible, Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are
fundamentalist and terrorist. -Lionel Andrades
The Giorgio Pira Islamic library in Palermo, Italy is ‘hate’ against the Catholic Church. Vatican Council II says all need faith and baptism for salvation (Ad Gentes 7).Catholics are tacitly invited at Palermo to convert to Islam and lose their soul to Hell.
There are good things in other religions but the religions are not paths to salvation (CDF, Notification, Fr. Jacques Dupuis sj, 2001, Dominus Iesus etc).
The religion of Mohammad is not a path to salvation according to Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church (845, 846, 1257 etc).
Catholics who are living with Muslims in a civil marriage are living in adultery, which is a mortal sin which leads to Hell. They are outside the Church and should not come forward for the Eucharist during Holy Mass. Those Catholics who convert into other religions are lost to Hell forever (Lumen Gentium 14, Ad Gentes 7).
ARCHBISHOP CORRADO LOREFICE
At Palermo, it is obligatory for Corado Lorefice, the Archbishop of Palermo, to accept Vatican Council II and interpret it only rationally and so traditionally. The Council then supports Feeneyite EENS and the Council of Florence (1442).This is obligatory for all cardinals and bishops.
SYNODS CANNOT ACCEPT POLYGAMY OF ISLAM
The Synods which accept the polygamy of Islam are political and are not based upon Vatican Council II interpreted rationally, which does not permit any innovation in faith and morals.
How can they knowingly hold Synods based upon Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally? How can they appoint new cardinals who only interpret the Council, irrationally?
At the Biblicum, the pontifical university in Rome, students have to study the Quran, the same could be expected of all of us, at future Synods, in the name of Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally.
Alberto Melloni of the FSCIRE (Bologna School) and the Giorgio Pira Islamic library in Palermo does not accept Vatican Council II interpreted rationally and traditionally.
The Islamic library of the FSCIRE in Palermo will be disseminating material which says Jews and Christians must be forced to convert. Even violence and death are recommended by the Islamic Tradition.
The Bible says that anyone who does not accept Jesus as the Son of God is the Anti Christ.For the Islamists in Palermo Jesus is not the Son of God.
The Catholic Church, the post Vatican Council II Church, supports the past exclusivist ecclesiology, when the Council is interpreted rationally and so ethically. This is Magisterial. Vatican Council II is a Magisterial Document only when it is interpreted rationally, I was telling my Parish Priest today morning.
PAUL VI TO FRANCIS CHOSE THE IRRATIONAL MODEL
The interpretation of Vatican Council II by the popes from Paul VI to Francis was political and irrational.
Also being saved with the baptism of desire (BOD) and in invincible ignorance(I.I), since the time of Pope Pius XII and the creation of the state of Israel, was also irrational and political ( See Letter of the Holy Office 1949).The BOD and I.I refer to hypothetical and not objective cases in the present times.This was understood over the centuries before 1949.
RE-INTERPRET VATICAN COUNCIL II RATIONALLY
We can now re-interpret Lumen Gentium 14 (baptism of desire) and Lumen Gentium 16 (being saved in invincible ignorance) rationally i.e. they are hypothetical and physically invisible cases only, always.
There is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict the dogma EENS of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215).
So the Church returns to ‘an ecumenism of return’. There cannot be a new ecumenism based upon there being exceptions for EENS, in Vatican Council II. Unitatis Redintigratio 3, the Decree on Ecumenism, Vatican Council II, does not contradict Feeneyite EENS.Nothing in the Decree on Ecumenism contradicts Feeneyite EENS.
So we are no more obliged to interpret Vatican Council II irrationally like Rahner, Ratzinger, Congar, Murray, Balthazar, Bea, Lefebvre and Kung. Theology and philosophy have returned to the Scholastic period, the Middle Ages, that golden time in the history of the Catholic Church.
Muslims in general are oriented to Hell without Catholic faith and the baptism of water(AG 7).This is a Conciliar teaching and not just a personal view. It is Magisterial according to Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Church teachings over the centuries.
Mohammad knew about the Catholic Church and yet formed another religion. According to Lumen Gentium 14 those who know about Jesus and the Church and yet do not enter are on the way to Hell.
LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to hypothetical and invisible cases in 1965-2023. We cannot see a baptism of desire case. If anyone was saved outside the Church in invincible ignorance, seeds of the Word, good and holy things in other religions or elements of sanctification and truth in other religions, it would only be known to God. These are not objective exceptions for EENS in our human reality. As Ann Barnhardt says, 'technically they exist only on paper'. So there is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict Ad Gentes 7 or the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus,according to the Fourth Lateran Council (1215).
POPE HONORIOUS AND THE ORDER OF PREACHERS
This Church Council during the time of Pope Honorius, approved the Order of Preachers of St. Dominic Guzman. It did not mention any exceptions. The Council has a hermeneutic of continuity with the Syllabus of Errors, the Athanasius Creed and on EENS according to the Council of Florence (1442). The Council of Florence was Feeneyite.
But Alberto Melloni's FSCIRE (Bologna School) which is financed by the Italian Government, with a million euros annually, and which is supported by Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II irrationally.
For them, LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to physically visible cases of non Catholics saved outside the Church without faith and the baptism of desire. So Vatican Council II is a break with Tradition. But for me there is no rupture with the traditional concept of EENS and the rejection of Mohammadism.
It is known that Mohammad’s concept of the cosmos, the human body and the Trinity was wrong. Also translations of the Quran in different languages have different meanings, example, in Urdu, English, Arabic etc. So in the name of Vatican Council II ( irrational), Catholics must not be expected to accept the Quran as a religious book equal to the Bible..- Lionel Andrades
https://bussola-pro.com/835535/biblioteca-la-pira-www-fscire-it
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/09/the-giorgio-pira-islamic-library-in.html
In principle a pope has to be a Feeneyite and not a Cushingite.A Cushingite cannot be a pope. Since Cushingism produces the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition. It produces heresy and schism.
Presently the whole Church is infected with Cushingism. Cushingites accept Magisterial Documents but always interpret them irrationally. Pope Pius XII was a Cushingite in the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office. Pope Francis is a Cushingite in Traditionis Custode and Amoris Laetitia. Also Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was a Cushingite on Vatican Council II.
Sister Marie Philomena micm, Director of the St. Augustine Institute of Wisdom in New Hampshire is a Feeneyite on Vatican Council II.
You cannot be a Cushingite and be a Catholic.If a pope, cardinal or bishop forces you to interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism, refuse to do so.
- Lionel Andrades
TALKS ON VATICAN COUNCIL II BEING IN HARMONY WITH TRADITION AND THERE BEING TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF THE COUNCIL, ONE IS RATIONAL AND THE OTHER IS IRRATIONAL.
If you are a group of Catholics, liberal or traditionalist, I am willing to speak about this subject. I can present the material on this blog in an orderly way for you to understand quickly what I keep writing about. I available am in Rome ( only Rome) and there is no charge. The information will be given free. It will be illustrated with some graphics and photos.
I am a Catholic and I affirm the teachings of the Catholic Church as I have said often on this blog.
The difference between me and Catholics in general and also the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican, is that they interpret Vatican Council II, the Creeds, Catechisms, Councils etc irrationally and I am rational.
I choose a rational premise and inference and so my conclusion is traditional.
The presentation could take 20 minutes or less.I will be available to answer questions.I do not have any new theology to offer. I simply avoid an irrational observation and we return to the old theology of the Magisterium and missionaries of the 16th century at the Latin Mass. This would be the general theology today, which is honest and rational, at every Mass and every Rite. It would have to be the lex orandi.
Please e-mail me at : lionelandrades10@gmail.com
p.s I do not have a telephone contact number and do not travel out of Rome.
ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SOLAMENTE LA CHIESA CATTOLICA
Lionel Andrades
Catholic lay man in Rome. Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake ? So it is human error and not the Magisterium.
Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only pastoral.
It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms. There can be two interpretations.Catholics must choose the rational option.
Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, nontraditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional?
It is unethical when the popes, cardinals and bishops choose the Irrational Premise to interpret Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents.
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https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/08/in-principle-pope-has-to-be-feeneyite.html
When I say that other religions are not paths to salvation I am following Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church which are Magisterial and official Church Documents. This is not just a personal view.I choose to interpret them rationally and honestly and expect others to do the same. So a priest or religious sister should not be punished for the doing the same. We are following our Catholic Faith in Rome. We are not traditionalists who reject Vatican Council II ( rational).
MARTYRS DO DIRECTLY TO HEAVEN
I am following Jesus and His Mystical Body the Catholic
Church. If I have to die for this I shall be a martyr in Heaven. Those
Catholics who have to die for doing the same will also be martyrs.
Those Catholics, or non Catholics, who are killed for
helping me will also be martyrs. The Catholic faith does not change. This is
the traditional teachings. Martyrs go directly to Heaven.
I personally chose not to be provocative but when
asked to given an account of my Faith, I must speak the truth. Ad Gentes 7 says
all need faith and the baptism of water for salvation. Lumen Gentium 14 says
all need faith and baptism for salvation. Lumen Gentium 14 is cited in the
Catechism of the Catholic Church under the title Outside the Church there is no
salvation (846). The Church is the only Ark of Noah that saves in the flood
(845). God the Father wants all to be united in the Catholic Church (845).
Hindus, Buddhists, Jews and Muslims do not have the
Catholic Faith. They will be lost forever at the time of death.
The Muslim prophet Muhammad knew about Jesus and yet
he chose not to enter and instead founded a new religion. He is not saved from
Hell according to Lumen Gentium 14.He also died without ‘faith and baptism’ (AG
7).
The Bible says all need the baptism of water with faith,
for salvation (John 3:5).Ad Gentes 7 says ‘all’. Those who do not believe will
be condemned (Mark 16:16). The Church is the narrow gate to Heaven. Jesus says
that the road to Hell is wide and most people take it (Matthew 7:13-14).
MARTYRS IN ROME LIKE THE EARLY CATHOLICS
Catholics in Rome can once again choose to be martyrs
like the Early Christians; the Early Catholics. The level of intolerance here
is not the same as the Diocletian period, but it has risen.
'We have our Faith in Jesus'. This was mentioned by
Cardinal T. Bertone, the former Vatican, Secretary of State in his letter to
the Chief Rabbinate of Israel, who was objecting to The Good Friday Prayer for
the Conversion of the Jews.
POPE JOHN PAUL II CALLED FOR CONVERSION INTO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
Pope John Paul
II also wanted the Jews and the rest of mankind to convert into the Catholic
Church for salvation from Hell. When he visited New Delhi and issued Ecclesia
di Eucharistia, he appealed to all to convert into the Catholic Church. The
Document on the Eucharist says, the Eucharist, the Sacrament, is necessary for
salvation and that Orthodox Christians cannot receive it. They are outside the
Catholic Church.
Pope John Paul II issued a Notification against Fr.
Jacques Dupuis sj. The pope opposed a pluralism of religious belief.
Over the centuries the teachings of the Catholic
Church has been constant and it has been expressed well in the writings of the
saints, like St. John Bosco, St. Maximillian Kolbe and St. Anthony Marie
Claret. His feast day it is today. The doctrines of the Catholic Church today
on exclusive salvation are the same as that of the missionaries and Magisterium
of the 16th century.
So Catholic religious communities in Rome must be readY to follow, and die for, the teachings of the Catholic Church. These teachings have a continuity with the Magisterium over the centuries. It is not just a
hermeneutic of continuity with the past but a hermeneutic of continuity with
the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This was
not known to Pope Paul VI, Rahner, Ratzinger, Congar, Lefebvre, Mattei,
Hildebrand, Davies and the SSPX bishops Fellay, Richardson.It is still not known to the new SSPX
bishops consecrated over the last 25 years.
This is Jesus’ Church. It does not change.
We follow the Bible and not other religious books.
Catholics must not be told that they are ‘terrorists’
or ‘fundamentalists’, in Rome, since they follow the Bible , the Catechism of
the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II. They do this in harmony with
the past Magisterium, including that of the Papal States and the
Austro-Hungarian Catholic Empire.
In Heaven there are only Catholics (AG 7, LG 14, CCC
845, 846, 1257 etc).We do not know of any exception for the dogma EENS. There
are none mentioned in Vatican Council II. Since LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA 2,
GS 22 etc, refer to only hypothetical cases. We cannot meet or see any one
saved in invincible ignorance (I.I) or the baptism of desire (BOD). Invisible cases of the
BOD and I.I never ever were visible exceptions for the dogma EENS. The 1949
Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr. Leonard
Feeney made an objective mistake. It is not Magisterial. The Holy Spirit canno make an objective mistake. So Pope Francis and
the cardinals and bishops are not Magisterial, when they interpret Vatican Council II irrationally i.e. they confuse what is
invisible as being visible and then project the conclusion as a break with
Tradition, in particular the dogma EENS.
The National Catechetical Centers are not Magisterial
when they interpret Vatican Council II as a break with the dogma EENS. This is
unethical. We now there is a rational and honest choice. So Vatican Council II
is not a rupture with the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) which did not mention
any exceptions.
The National Bishops Conferences are only Magisterial
when they do not project BOD, I.I etc as being exceptions for the dogma EENS,
Ad Gentes 7, the Catechism of the Catholic Church (845, 846, 1257). The
conferences then are rational, honest and not political. -Lionel Andrades
THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE
THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE
THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE
THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE
Euractiv Italia | EURACTIV Italia
13 lug 2023
Professor Alberto Melloni, membro della Fondazione per le scienze religiose
Giovanni XXIII (FSCIRE) e European Commission Chief scientific advisor,
interviene sulle sfide e le opportunità tra religione e Unione Europea in
occasione del dibattito organizzato
il 9 maggio per la festa dell’Europa.
Alberto Melloni and the FSCIRE correspondents and staff agree with me. The FSCIRE and the European Union have been interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally i.e. LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, do not refer to hypothetical and invisible cases in 1965-2023 for them. They are physically visible cases. Only in this way they can be made exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). So for the FSCIRE and EU , LG 8,14,15,16 etc, are objective examples of salvation outside the Church and are practical exceptions for the dogma EENS. This is irrational and it is their mistake.There are no denials or clarifications from the FSCIRE. For me LG 8 etc refer to invisible cases. This is common sense. They are not objective exceptions for the dogma EENS, for me.
The FSCIRE and the European Union have all these years interpreted LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc as being physically visible examples of salvation outside the Church. This was their false premise. So they inferred that these cases were practical exceptions for the dogma EENS, which had become obsolete. This was their irrational premise and inference.It was irrational and unscientific.
For me LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, GS 22 etc, refer to hypothetical cases only. They cannot be physically visible in 1965-2023.If anyone is saved outside the Catholic Church it could only be known to God. We cannot say that any particular person has been saved or will be saved with the baptism of desire (LG 14) and invincible ignorance (I.I). No one saw St. Emerentiana in Heaven without the baptism of water.
So for me, Vatican Council II does not mention any exceptions for the dogma EENS and the Athanasius Creed, which says all need the Catholic faith for salvation. Vatican Council II has the hermeneutic of continuity with the Syllabus of Errors and the Catechisms of Pope Pius X and Trent. The Councils supports the past exclusivist ecclesiology. There is no rupture with the ecclesiocentrism of the missionaries of the 16th century.
The interpretation of Vatican Council II by the FSCIRE (Bologna School) is now obsolete.It is political.It is not Catholic. It is unethical. Since intentionally the FSCIRE chooses a false premise and inference. This is even after they are informed.
Vatican Council II has to be interpreted only rationally and so there cannot be a New Theology, New Ecumenism, New Ecclesiology, New Evangelization and New Canon Law. Since this New Theology is based upon Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally and this is dishonest. The New Theology separates Jesus from the necessity of the Catholic Church for salvation.It does this with alleged exceptions for EENS.
But now we know that the Council no more has exceptions for the dogma EENS. So there no more is a separation ( when speaking about salvation) between Jesus and the Catholic Church. Membership in the Catholic Church is needed for salvation.It is not enough to believe in Jesus, according to the Christian denonominations.
So how can Alberto Melloni and the European Union, with their books, articles and reports on Vatican Council II, project the Council as a break with Tradition and then give the green light for liberalism, like homosexual unions?
Vatican Council II is no more ‘a revolution’ in the Church but a continuation with Tradition. The Ratzinger liberal theology made a mistake. It had its foundation upon the error in the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston. This Letter, projected invisible cases of the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance, as being visible exceptions for Feeneyite EENS. This remained the error of the popes from Pius XII to Francis and the European Union and Alberto Melloni follow it. All the reports and videos on the Vatican website follow this mistake.This is being tacitly acknowledged by Alberto Melloni. - Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/09/intentionally-fscire-and-european-union.html
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