Saturday, October 15, 2022

Rorate Caeili supports gnosis with their expedient interpretation of Vatican Council II irrationally

 

Conclusion to Section C

 

We have seen in this last section C how the Council proposes to the Church a system tantamount to Gnosis. We cannot but conclude that this was occasioned by the serpent proposing the same system of Gnosis to the Council. Just as he proposed Gnosis to the whole of humanity in the form of Adam and Eve, then, so he proposed it again to the whole of humanity in the form of the representatives of the very heart of humanity which is the Church: and in both cases the proposal was accepted.

 https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2022/10/60-years-of-vatican-ii-council-and_13.html#more

The result is gnosis when Don Pietro Leone and Rorate Caeili (F.G) continue to use a False Premise, Inference and Conclusion to interpret Vatican Council II instead of the rational option, which I choose.

Like me, they can easily choose to interpret LG 8,14,15,16, UR3, NA 2, GS 22 etc as being hypothetical in 2022. This is something obvious.

The result will be traditional. There will be nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salous.Invisible cases of LG 8 etc cannot be objective examples of salvation outside the Church and practical exceptions for EENS with no exceptions.

So the Council is no more a break with the past ecclesiocentrism.

But Rorate Caeili, Roberto dei Mattei,Joseph Shaw and others who are liberal these days, do not want to affirm 16th century EENS with no exceptions.

So they continue to interpret Vatican Council II with the Irrational Premise and like the liberals say that the Council contradicts Tradition.

So the fault does not lie with the Council. I interpret LG 8 etc rationally. The Council emerges orthodox  on ecclesiology, mission, salvation, marriage, ecumenism of return, non separation of Church and State and the proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics based upon Feeneyite EENS and the necessity for all to be Catholic to avoid the fires of Hell. In Heaven there being only Catholics. -Lionel Andrades

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CMTV repeats the same prudent slogans and discussions of the past on Vatican Council II

 

VATICAN II: 60 YEARS LATER

https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/vatican-ii-60-years-later

by Church Militant  •  ChurchMilitant.com  •  October 14, 2022    

Questions, confusion and neglect

https://cm.patmoshosting.com/videos/dist/live-2022-10-14_Vatican_II.mp4





CMTV PANEL POLITICALLY CORRECT

Church Militant TV has a politically correct panel. They spoke about Vatican Council II.But they did not say that the Council can be interpreted with an Irrational Premise, Inference and Conclusion. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican uses this bad option. I choose the Rational Premise, Inference and Conclusion. So do others.

This panel interpreted Vatican Council II as a break with Tradition. It produced the CDF-approved, hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition. The liberal speakers were afraid. They did not talk on Vatican Council II, simple and rational. Since this would mean supporting extra eccelesiam nulla saluswith no exceptions. This would complicate their life.

PROGRAM A WASTE OF TIME

Don't watch this program.It would be a waste of time. They are repeating the same prudent slogans and discussions of the past 60 years.

None of them want to affirm Feeneyite EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors with no exceptions. It is the same with the Lefebvrist- traditionalists.

CMTV and the SSPX will say that they accept the dogma EENS but with seen- in- the- flesh exceptions of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance. In other words invisible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are visible exceptions for the dogma EENS. This was the reasoning of the panel too. They do not want to upset the ADL.

CMTV SUPPORTS CDF DISSENT

The CMTV has the same dissent of the CDF and the Archdiocese of Detroit. The liberals on this panel could not speak (or were not allowed to speak) about how Vatican Council II interpreted rationally would support Feeneyite extra eccelesiam nulla saluswith no exceptions.  

It is clear over the years that CMTV does not want to affirm Feeneyite EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors with no exceptions. It is the same with the Lefebvrist traditionalists. So how could they interpret Vatican Council II rationally on the panel?

They will say that they accept the dogma EENS but with visible exceptions of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance. So they also accept the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office, a political document, which says invisible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are visible exceptions for the dogma EENS.So EENS has practical exceptions. This is heresy and that too with a False Premise, Inference and Conclusion.

 The original EENS with no exceptions is obsolete for them.

CMTV like the SSPX and the CDF will also interpret the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors with the BOD and I.I being objective exceptions for EENS. So they do not hold EENS like in the Patristic period or the Middle Ages. There are objective exceptions for them.

I AFFIRM VC2 IN HARMONY WITH FEENEYITE EENS

 I instead keep saying that I hold Vatican Council II in harmony with the strict interpretation of EENS with no exceptions. I am not a Lefebvrist traditionalist. Neither am I a liberal like the present two popes who reject EENS the Athanasius Creed and Tradition in general.

The CMTV panel interprets Vatican Council II with the Irrational Premise and then blames the Council for saying there is known salvation outside the Church.

They will speak about Lumen Gentium 8 (subsists it in) and not mention if they refer to hypothetical cases or real, practical people. Since if it is hypothetical for them, as it is for me, they support Feeneyite EENS and the past ecclesiocentrism. It becomes political.

The panel did say that it is the responsibility for the CDF to teach Catholics the faith.The CDF allows people to remain in ignorance on the issue of Vatican Council II. In this way they protect their interests at the Vatican. In the same way, CMTV keeps silent.

PRUDENT JOHN SALZA COMMENTS

John Salza prudently accepts the heretical interpretation of Vatican Council II, since it is green-lighted by the Left and the Vatican. He wants traditionalists to also do the same.Expedient and official heresy and schism.

Why should Brother Peter Dimond at the MHFM for example, interpret invisible cases of the baptism of desire as being visible exceptions for EENS, as does Salza? This is irrational and unethical.Salza knows it is wrong.

WHY WOULD BROTHER PETER DIMOND TELL A LIE?

Lumen Gentium 8 (subsists it) could refer to an invisible case in 2022 for Salza if he wanted it to be so. He could support Bishop Athanasius Schneider, who  told Dr. Taylor Marshall that there are no literal cases of the baptism of desire for us humans in the present times.

The present two popes like the CMTV do not tell the traditionalists that Vatican Council II is Feeneyite on extra ecclesiam nulla salus when it is interpreted with the Rational Premise. Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was not informed by the CDF.There is no denial from Andrea Torneilli or Fr.Antonio Spadaro sj.

No one told Lefebvre. Figure that out. Instead they excommunicated him.

THEY DID NOT TELL LEFEBVRE ABOUT THE RATIONAL PREMISE. 

No one told the archbishop that if he interpreted Lumen Gentium (8, 14, 15 and 16) as being only hypothetical in the present times, then Lumen Gentium would have the hermeneutic of continuity with the past Magisterium. No one told Archbishop that there are no literal cases of the baptism of desire. Or as Dr.Taylor Marshall said: there are no explicit cases of Aquinas' implicit baptism of desire.

 This would put an end to the New Theology. Liberalism which divides the Church and comes from the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office is suffocated.


How can Pope Francis and Pope Benedict, be Magisterial when they interpret Vatican Council II with a False Premise, I ask CMTV? Only the Rational Premise comes from the Holy Spirit.

TRADITIONIS CUSTODE IS IRRATIONAL ON VC2

Pope Francis in Traditionis Custode (TC) tells the whole Church to interpret Vatican Council II with the wrong premise. How can bishops in good conscience go along with it? CMTV accepts the TC mistake does not complain on this point.


POPES WOULD SUPPORT TRADITION WITH THE RATIONAL PREMISE

Without the false premise the present two popes would emerge conservative. They would be supporting traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Social Reign of Christ the King in all political legislation and the non separation of the Catholic Church and the Catholic State. This comes with the old theology.

This is a secular issue. An appeal must be made to individual governments and especially their Ministry of Education to interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise.

Students and teachers must only interpret LG 8,LG 14,LG 16,UR 3, NA 2,GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, as referring to hypothetical and invisible cases in the present times ( 1965-2022).This is common sense.

SECULAR ISSUE IN SCHOOLS

 The Education Ministries must clarify the obvious i.e. we cannot meet or see any one saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water. We cannot physically see someone saved with the baptism of desire or invincible ignorance and without Catholic faith, who is now in Heaven. This is something obvious. We cannot see people saved with the baptism of desire in Heaven and also on earth at the same time. No one saw a saint or martyr in Heaven without the baptism of water.

This is common knowledge based upon Aristotle’s logic and Newton’s concept of the universe.

But CMTV like the CDF does not talk about it.

–Lionel Andrades

OCTOBER 14, 2022

Church Militant TV produces another superficial and politically correct report on Vatican Council II: avoids discussing the Rational Premise

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2022/10/church-militant-tv-produces-another.html


OCTOBER 13, 2022



All the Church Militant TV reports on Vatican Council II this week are leftist propaganda

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2022/10/all-church-militant-tv-reports-on.html








OCTOBER 11, 2022

Trent Horn's possibility known only to God(LG 15) cannot be a practical exception for the dogma EENS according to Brother Peter Dimond of the Most Holy Family Monastery,NY

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2022/10/trent-horn-refuted-by-bro-peter-dimond_11.html


MAY 12, 2022