Bishop Schneider is one step away from saying that Vatican Council II does not contradict Tradition and the SSPX are no more in schism

"Is the SSPX in schism ?", Bishop Athanasius Schneider is asked.He does not answer it with respect to Vatcian Council II.

The mainline newspapers have often stated that the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) is in schism since they reject the ‘reforms’ or ‘revolution’ of Vatican Council II.

The issue is Vatican Council II. The SSPX have often said that they reject Vatican Council II.

Bishop Bernard Fellay the former Superior General of the SSPX has cited UR 3 and LG 16 as exceptions to the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church. The Council has always been seen as a break with Tradition and even Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre rejected it.

So the SSPX are said to be in schism.

But the glimmer of hope, for a change, is the statement Bishop Athanasius Schneider made in this video.In a sense it is historic. It opens the possibility of change which will be good news for the SSPX.

He has said that there are no literal cases of the baptism of desire. We cannot judge if someone will be saved with the baptism of desire outside the Church. Only God can know this if it happens.

He is saying that being saved with the baptism of desire refers to invisible cases in 2021.There are no cases in our reality.

Now the next step is for him to see LG 16 as also being invisible in 2021.We cannot see someone saved with invincible ignorance or a good conscience, outside the Church.

There are no such cases in our human reality.

The same could be said for UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 , LG 8 etc. So they cannot be practical exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which was a motivation for traditional mission.

So in this way he could say like me that Vatican Council II is dogmatic.It supports the dogma EENS and the Council is not a break with the Syllabus of Errors  and traditional ecclesiocentrism.

It is then that the SSPX can fully affirm Vatican Council II and also Tradition. It does not have to be either-or.So then the charge of schism cannot be made against them.

The other point which needs to be clarified is that of the baptism of water. All need the baptism of water and also Catholic faith. Catholic faith is necessary for salvation says Vatican Council II(AG 7).Also the faith of the  Catholic Church is necessary. So there must be a baptism of water and Catholic faith. The baptism of water is needed in the Catholic Church. 

There are Christian denominations which have the baptism of water but approve mortal sins of faith, example, contraception, homosexual acts etc.So the baptism of water would be invalid over time.It would be the same in the Catholic Church. If someone is baptized but then commits mortal sins, he loses the Sanctifying Grace needed for salvation. This grace is restored in the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

Bishop Schneider has to specify that the baptism of water is needed in the Catholic Church. Since we cannot separate Jesus from His Mystical Body the Catholic Church.-Lionel Andrades

AUGUST 25, 2021

Bishop Athanasius Schneider has said that we do not know of any literal case of someone saved with the baptism of desire in the present times

Bishop Athanasius Schneider has said that we do not know of any literal case of someone saved with the baptism of desire in the present times. If someone was saved as such it would only be known to God.In an interview with Dr. Taylor Marshall he spoke about the need for evangelisation with a call for conversion.

He also indicated that Lumen Gentium 14(baptism of desire) did not refer to a literal case in the present times (2021).It is a hypothetical case.Though he did not mention LG 14.

For me Lumen Gentium 16 also is not a literal case in 2021.So LG 14, LG 16, LG 8 etc will not be practical exceptions to the traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So Mission could not exclude any non Catholic. Protestants too.

Bishop Schneider's concept of Mission differs from the New Evangelisation of Pope Benedict and Pope Francis. Their New Theology is based upon Vatican Council II interpreted with a fake premise.Without known examples of salvation outside the Church there is no more the traditional exclusivism.So the New Evangelisation is Christocentric with no Ecclesiocentrism.It is Jesus without the necessity of being a member of the Catholic Church for salvation. Similarly the New Ecumenism and New Ecclesiology is based upon the interpretation of Vatican Council II(LG 14 etc) without the rational premise.They need the irrational premise to create all this new stuff. Bishop Schneider avoids this error in the interview with Taylor Marshall when he refers to the baptism of desire, as being invisible.-Lionel Andrades

I cannot go up to receive the Eucharist at Holy Mass in my parish, Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Rome, since the Brazilian priests will not affirm the Athanasius Creed for political reasons.It was the same with the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate priests and seminarians last year in the parish.

 

I cannot go up to receive the Eucharist at Holy Mass in my parish, Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Rome, since the Brazilian priests will not affirm the Athanasius Creed for political reasons.It was the same with the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate priests and seminarians last year in the parish.

They have changed the Nicene and Apostles Creed with a fake premise.

They interpret Vatican Council II irrationally.So the Council contradicts the past Catechisms, the Syllabus of Errors  and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).This is a mortal sin of faith.

According to Canon Law a Parish Priest has to be a Catholic and affirm the Creed. My interpretation of the Creed is traditional. Theirs is not.It is the common irrational version with the false premise.

To interpret the Apostles and Nicene Creed with a false premise is a mortal sin.

To reject the Athanasius Creed is a mortal sin.This is a scandal. It is public. These are good priests. Good persons.I am not condemning them. I am pointing out to what the Church judges as being a mortal sin.

We have a problem here.

I live in the parish premises and where I live there is no electricity. I am writing this at night. Time unknown. I have a marker pen and the moonlight is enough.

It was the same with the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate and the seminarians, who were here in the parish, last year. They would not affirm the Catholic faith in public.

Fr.Giuseppe Grioni f.i the former Parish Priest, at Santa Maria di Nazareth, would however affirm the dogma EENS and would criticize the gender ideology.

The Franciscans of the Immaculate publication on mission, Christ to the World (Christo al Mondo) stated in an edition, that the Church had not rescinded the dogma EENS.The editor was Fr. Angelo who offers Mass today at the Basilica St.Mary Majors, Rome.

However the Rector of the seminary Fr. Rosario Sammarco f.i, who also offers Mass in Italian at St. Mary Majors, would not affirm the Creeds and Catechisms with the rational premise. He would also interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise. At a conference of the Franciscans of the Immaculate, before the split, he would state that the Council is pastoral and project the Council as a rupture with Tradition, as does Pope Francis. The seminarians are still expected to the same in Rome.

The Brazilian priests do not affirm the Creeds, Catechisms, Vatican Council  and EENS without the fake premise and so in continuity with the past Magisterium of the Church.We do not have unity on even the First Commandmen. They do not deny all this. They actually agree with me. -Lionel Andrades

JUNE 2, 2018

Church Not Retracted Outside the Church No Salvationhttps://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/church-not-retracted-outside-church-no.html

 NOVEMBER 18, 2011

THE CHURCH IS MISSION- Pope Benedict XVI (Christ to the World July-October 2011) https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/church-is-mission-pope-benedict-xvi.html

MARCH 9, 2010

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS NOT RETRACTED OUTSIDE THE CHURCH NO SALVATION - Fr. Angelo M. Gaetta, Responsible, Basilica of St. Mary Majors, Rome. https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2010/03/catholic-church-has-not-retracted.html

SEPTEMBER 27, 2009

CHURCH NOT RETRACTED OUTSIDE THE CHURCH NO SALVATION https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2009/09/church-not-retracted-outside-church-no.html
_____________________________________MAY 31, 2021How can Catechists and priests in my parish and diocese , not affirm the Creeds in public and continue to interpret Vatican Council II with a fake premise ?  

 In my parish the Catechists do not affirm the Athanasius Creed, change the meaning of the Nicene and Apostles Creed, re-interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church with a false premise, reject the dogma extra eccclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return to the Catholic Church) and attend Holy Mass.

Those who teach the young children include, dedicated persons , well meaning Italians, like Giorgio and Ennio. But not to affirm the Creed in public is a mortal sin.

Then they teach the same errors to the children and assist at Holy Mass.

Even the priests of the diocese are not affirming the Catholic faith in the diocese of Porta Santa Rufina, Rome where the bishop was Gino Reali.

How can Catechists and priests not affirm the Creeds in public and interpret Vatican Council II with a fake premise ?

-Lionel Andrades

 MAY 30, 2021In my parish the priests are not saying that they affirm the Athanasius Creed, that they interpret the Nicene and Apostles Creed rationally,and that they interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechisms, without the false premise. They actually agree with me.In my parish the priests are not saying that they affirm the Athanasius Creed, that they interpret the Nicene and Apostles Creed rationally,and that they interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechisms, without the false premise.

They actually agree with me. They choose heresy, schism and irrationality as if this is some 'New Information' they have to accept to remain priests.

They do not deny what I have written on this blog.

Pope Francis could call this 'going forward'.But we cannot support sin and Satan and go forward. -Lionel Andrades

MAY 30, 2021

In my parish the priests reject the Athanasius Creed, change the Nicene and Apostles Creed and re-interpet Vatican Council II irrationally and do not deny it. They agree with me!

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/05/in-my-parish-priests-reject-athanasius.html

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MAY 30, 2021

We cannot change Aristotle's laws of logic or use a false premise to create a New Theology and call it Catholic or Magisterial, in the parish. They must not lie, give false information and then pretend it is Catholic. Pope Benedict needs to apologise for this non Catholic philosophy and theology he promoted all these years

 We cannot change Aristotle's laws of logic or use a false premise to create a New Theology and call it Catholic or Magisterial, in the parish.

They must mot lie, give false information and then pretend it is Catholic.

Jesus is also the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.

The laws of philosophy and theology in the Catholic Church have been changed at large and officially and so the interpretation of Vatican Council II and Magisterial documents are not Catholic or Magisterial.So Catholics are not obliged to follow them.Pope Benedict needs to apologise for this non Catholic philosophy and theology he promoted all these years, for political or other reasons. - Lionel Andrades

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MAY 30, 2021

In my parish the priests have changed the meaning of the Nicene and Apostles Creed and rejected the Athanasius Creed and they offer Holy Mass in Italian. They interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise to project a non traditional conclusion and then then offer Holy Mass.

 In my parish the priests have changed the meaning of the Nicene and Apostles Creed and rejected the Athanasius Creed and they offer Holy Mass in Italian.

They interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise to project a non traditional conclusion and then then offer Holy Mass.

With a fake premise they have made the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and the old Catechisms obsolete and they offer Holy Mass.

They do not deny what I have written here.It's official for them. It is all public.

They offer the Sacrament of Confession, for reconciliation with God.They consider it important and necessary- and it is. It's a gift of God, given to the Catholic priest, for all of us,to save us from going to Hell, with mortal sins on our soul.

Most people are going to Hell since they die with mortal sins on their soul.They also die outside the Catholic Church;without Catholic faith and the baptism of water(AG 7).The Gospel at Sunday Mass today tells us that  Jesus wanted every one to be baptised with water and to follow his teachings in the Catholic Church.This was the only Church he founded.It is the only Church which existed at the time he was in Jerusalem. -Lionel Andrades

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MAY 29, 2021

Scandal at my parish

I affirm the Athanasius Creed (Whoever desires to be saved should above all hold to the catholic faith.Anyone who does not keep it whole and unbroken will doubtless perish eternally...)in the parish but the priests and many of the parishioners do not do the same.

I live in the parish, Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea.It is a 20-minute drive from Rome's Battistini Metro Station.How can they offer/attend Holy Mass and not affirm the infallible teaching of the Athanasius Creed?

I affirm Vatican Council II interpreted rationally in the parish but the priests and most of the parishioners do not do so.

For me LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are practical exceptions for the Athanasius Creed. In other words, they refer to known non Catholics saved outside the Church. They refer to physically visible people saved without faith and the baptism of water.Invisible and unknown people cannot be exceptions to the Creed. So with this irrationality they make the Athanasius Creed obsolete.

My interpretation of Vatican Council II is rational and traditional.It is not a break with the Creeds.

How can the priests and people offer/attend Holy Mass with an irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II etc ?

When the priests and people in the parish do not affirm the Athanasius Creed and Vatican Council II, do they no have to go for the Sacrament of Confession, end the scandal and correct themselves in public ?

For me the baptism of desire(BOD) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) refer to hypothetical and theoretical cases only. I cannot meet or see someone saved as such.It is only God who can know if someone is saved with BOD and I.I. So there are no practical cases of BOD and I.I for me.There are also no practical exceptions to the past Magisterial ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church.

But with visible for them,BOD and I.I, the priests and catechists and others in the parish, reject the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).

They change the interpretation of Vatican Council II.Since for them, LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, etc  contradict the dogma EENS. There are practical exceptions for them.

So they have rejected the dogma EENS and the Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation.

They have changed the meaning of the Nicene Creed. It is " I believe in three or more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church( so EENS is rejected)".

They have changed the meaning of the Apostles Creed. It is " I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church,'which teaches the Catholic Church today that there is known salvation outside the Church and so the Creeds and Catechisms are obsolete in their old understanding".

They have changed the meaning of the First Commandment which now indicates for them that outside the Catholic Church there is known salvation and so there is true worship in non Christian religions.

This is public heresy, scandal and schism and Holy Mass is offered/ attended, by all in the parish.

This scandal has to be rectified in public, before absolution is given in the Confessional. -Lionel Andrades

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MAY 28, 2021

Priests are expected to affirm the Athanasius Creed in the parish. Vatican Council II according to Lionel Andrades is not a rupture

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/05/priests-are-expected-to-affirm.html

Visit my parish

Visit my parish

I saw a publicity vehicle moving at Cornelia, Rome saying there would be a talk at Boccea. Matteo Salvini was to speak.I thought that he needs to call for the interpretation of Vatican Council II without the false premise.This is a political issue he must address.

If a fake premise is used then there is a break with the historical Catholic Church, a break  with the traditional Catholic Church which Salvini supports.

So the Lega needs to affirm Vatican Council II ( rational) and even make it a part of their manifesto.

For instance, in the churches  at Boccea, the Left  forces the priests, to create a rupture with the historicl Catholic Church and this is approved by Pope Francis.

Pope Francis ‘ interpretation of Vatican Council II is political and not Magisterial. He would have to interpret the Council with the rational premise, inference and conclusion, for Vatican Council II to be Magisterial. He must not deliberately continue to use the fake premise to interpreta the Council. This is a political issue for the Left which the Lega must address.

He could visit my parish in Boccea, the church Santa Maria di Nazareth and ask the priests  to interpret Vatican Council II rationally and not with falsehood. Tell the people that political candidates who support abortion and homosexual acts are in mortal sin and voting for them in cooperating in this mortal sin. This is  politically non separation of the Leftist state and the Church.The Parish Priests cannot ask that the Mayor of Rome be a Catholic, who interprets Vatican Council II rationally.This would be the separation of the Leftist State and the Church.

The Rome Vicarate does not allow any Parish Priests to publically support any candidate for the Mayor’s office but allows him to interpret Vatican Council II irrationally and then in an indirect way support the Left. So the priest cannot say that outside the Church there is no salvation.Since with the premise there is salvation. And so all must be Catholic to avoid Hell and so it is necessary that Government also be Catholic.

Presently there is the non separation of Church and State in Rome where the pontifical universities have to interpret Vatican Council II with a fake premise, create a rupture with Tradition and then be able to receive funds.

If they used the rational premise, inference and non tradtional conclusion to interpret  that Council they would be black listed.Since then they would be supporting exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church, like the historical Church in Italy.

So the professors and students to avoid being expelled interpret Vatican Council II, the Creeds, Catechisms etc with the irrational premise and create  the break with Tradition, which is presently approved by the Leftist government in Italy.

With the fake premise the Council is a break with the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.New doctrines are created on Ecumenism, Evangelisation etc.

The New Theology created with the false premise says outside the Church there is known salvation. There are known non Catholics saved without faith and baptism and ias referenced in LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc of Vatican Council II. So when there are known people  saved outside the Church in 1965-2021, it is asked by Pope Benedict, and others, why have traditional Mission? He supports the Left.

Why also proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politically legislation and the non separation of Church and State , he may ask.So the Parish Priests in Boccea, Rome where Matteo Salvini visited and spoke do not proclaim that it is necessary that Government should also be Catholic.

He could visit my parish and talk to the priests and parishioners. Tell them to interpret the Council without the common false premise, approved by the leftist government. -Lionel Andrades

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 JUNE 5, 2021

Catholic priests agree with me on five points but will not proclaim them in public

The present and past priests at the parish Santa Maria di Nazareth,Casalotti, Boccea, near Rome's Battistini Metro Station,agree with the FIVE POINTS earlier but in public they will not affirm Vatican Council II,interpreted without the false premise. They will not proclaim Vatican Council II without confusing what is invisible as being visible and then projecting practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.

So while Lionel Andrades affirms these Magisterial documents rationally, they have to deny them as being obsolete and contradicted by Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise.The false premise creates exceptions.They have to deny the Athanasius Creed and exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church because of the false premise which creates a non traditional conclusion.

Lionel Andrades can affirm the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24Q,27Q) which is not in conflict with hypothetical cases of being saved invincible ignorance, which is mentioned in that Catechism.The priests from the two religious communities, who offer Holy Mass in Italian, cannot do the same.They cannot do so since being saved in invincible ignorance is not hypothetical for them. If it was hypothetical it would not be an exception to the strict interpretation of EENS. It would mean that they would have to affirm the strict interpretation of EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors. So they reject the Catechism of Pope Pius X (24Q,27Q).-Lionel Andrades

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 JUNE 5, 2021

Catholic priests in the parish Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Rome agree with me on five points

In the parish Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Rome, near the Battistini Metro Station, there have been two religious communities housed there, the Joseleitos Christo and the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate.This is also the parish of Lionel Andrades according to his blog Eucharist and Mission( Lionel's Blog).The religious communities there agree with him on the following five points.

1.They agree that there are no physically visible cases of non Catholics saved with the baptism of desire over the last 60 years in Italy.If any one was saved as such it would only be known to God.

2.They agree that there are no physically visible non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water over the last 60 years in Italy.If any one was saved as such it would be known only to God.

3.The priests of the two religious communities agree with Lionel Andrades when he says that we do not know of any one in the present times who is saved as a martyr(baptism of blood)and without the baptism of water.If St.Emerentiana or Dismas, the Good Thief, was saved without the baptism of water,we do not know of any such case over the last few years or more in Italy.

4.So the baptism of desire,baptism of blood and invincible ignorance cannot be practical examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church.They cannot be practical exceptions for the Athanasius Creed.It says outside the Church there is no salvation.They cannot be practical exceptions for Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II, which says all need faith and baptism for salvation(to avoid Hell).

The Catholic priests agree on this point too.

5.So there can be nothing in Vatican Council II ( interpreted rationally) to contradict the Athanasius Creed and Pope Pius IX's Syllabus of Errors.Since LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2,GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, can refer to only hypothetical cases.They are speculative. They are not practical exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus( Cantate Domino, Council of florence 1441 etc).

None of these FIVE POINTS are denied by the religious communities Joseleitos Christo and the Franciscans of the Immaculate in the parish Santa Maria di Nazareth.This is the parish in which Pope Francis closed down the seminary of the Franciscans of the Immaculate.-Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/06/catholic-priests-in-parish-santa-maria.html

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JUNE 4, 2021

They agree with me : A Catholic should be elected Mayor of Rome : Vatican Council II must be the test of being a Catholic

 The priests of the Joseleitos de Christo community at the church Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Rome, in principle agree that there are no objective examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church in 2021.There are no practical exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) in the present times (1965-2021).There are no physically visible cases of non Catholics, saved with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water and Catholic faith.We cannot see or meet someone who is an exception to the norm for salvation i.e faith and baptism (Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II).This was also the view of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, who were last year in this parish. They too agree with me.The Rector of Francisican Friar seminary in the parish was Fr. Rosario Sammarco f.i and Parish Priest, Fr.Giuseppe Grioni f.i.The seminary is closed and the building is under the management of the Comitato dell Immaculata, set up originally by Fr. Stefano Mannelli f.i.

In the parish today the Parish Priest Fr.Francisco  De Barros Barbosa, sjc in public interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise. If he did not use the false premise, Vatican Council II (AG 7) would affirm the past ecumenism of return to the Catholic Church, an exclusivist ecclesiology, the old traditional theology of outside the Church there is no salvation and the need to proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King in all national politics in Italy.

However he agrees with me - there are no objective exceptions to EENS. There are no physically visible cases of non Catholics saved with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water and Catholic faith.

The priests of the Joseleitos di Christo and Franciscans of the Immaculate need to tell Catholics and especially parishioners, to vote only for candidates for the Mayor's office in Rome, who interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise.They would be true Catholics. With Vatican Council II ( rational) they would be affirming EENS.So based upon EENS they could proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King ( Quas Primas ) in all political legislation.Since outside the Church there is no known salvation the priority is that all accept the norm for salvation-faith and the baptism of water in the Catholic Church, to avoid Hell.

We all agree that if there was any one saved outside the Catholic Church it could only be known to God.So Catholic faith and the baptism of water is still the norm and the priority to go to Heaven and avoid Hell for all people with no known exceptions.-Lionel Andrades

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JUNE 3, 2021

In my parish the priests interpret Vatican Council II irrationally instead of rationally even after being informed.

 In my parish the priests interpret Vatican Council II irrationally instead of rationally even after being informed.The traditional conclusion of the Council, interpreted without the false premise is too much for them. - Lionel Andrades

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JUNE 2, 2021

In my parish the priests do not affirm the Athanasius Creed.

In may parish, Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Rome, the priests do not affirm the Athanasius Creed. They change the meaning of the Nicene and Apostles Creed with the use of a false premise.They re-interpret Vatican Council II with the same fake premise and change the interpretations of all the Catechisms.They do consider this a mortal sin of faith.They about 'new information' and 'being open' and 'following Pope Francis'. Do they believe in the secrecy of the Sacrament of Confession ? Really? Why ? -Lionel Andrades

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 JUNE 1, 2021

Often it is the pope who transfers conservative religious. This time it was a lay organisation which transferred liberal religious, in Rome.

 In the parish of Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Pope Francis closed down the seminary of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate in Rome.The seminary building and adjoining property is now held by the Comitato dell Immaculata, formed by Fr. Stefano Manelli f.i.

They objected to the presence of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculata.They had been there since Pope Francis shuttered the original seminary of Fr. Manelli.

So the Franciscans Friars of the Immaculate  no more live at Casalotti.They do not any more  offer Holy Mass there.

Often it is the pope who transfers conservative religious. This time it was a lay organisation which had the liberal religious, in Rome,tranferred.

I attend Holy Mass in Italian and affirm Catholic Tradition as a lay Catholic.There is no more a Latin Mass in the parish or even the adjoining area.

I affirm the Athanasius Creed (Whoever desires to be saved should above all hold to the catholic faith.Anyone who does not keep it whole and unbroken will doubtless perish eternally...).

I affirm the Nicene and Apostles Creed, interpreted without a fake premise. So my interpretation of these two Creeds would be different from that of the present Parish Priest Fr. Francesco Barbosa, of the Brazilian Societa Joselitos Christo.

The Rector of the seminary at Casalotti, was Fr. Rosario Sammarco f.i.He now offers Mass at St.Mary Majors and remains the rector of the seminary in  Tiburtina,Rome.

Fr.Rosario Samarco would reject the Athanasius Creed.He would interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise.It would be the same for the seminarians.It is the same for the Joselitos Chrito priests and the Italian diocesan priests.They are following the instructions of Vatican and the Rome Vicariate. 

I accept Vatican Council II and interpret it without the false premise. So my interpretation of the Council would not be a rupture with Tradition( Athanasius Creed etc).The priests and religious communities in the parish and diocese, interpret the Council with the false premise. So our Profession of Faith will be different. Since our premises are different the Religious will emerge non traditional and I traditional.

I accept the baptism of desire(BOD) and invincible ignorance(I.I).I do not reject them or deny them.For me they refer to hypothetical and theoretical cases only.They can only be hypothetical and theoretical in our human reality.Since if any one was saved with BOD and I.I it would only be known to God.So for me, BOD and I.I are not examples of known people in the present times ( 1965-2021), saved outside the Catholic Church.I cannot meet or see someone saved with BOD or I.I.So when Vatican Council II refers to BOD(LG 14) and I.I(LG 16), it is always a reference to a hypothetical and theoretical case which exists only in our mind.It cannot be a practical exception to EENS, as EENS was known to the Church Fathers and the missionaries in the 16th century.

For me the Holy Office 1949 made an objective mistake in the Letter to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr. Leonard Feeney.How can BOD and I.I be practical exceptions to Feeneyite EENS ?

So our interpretation of BOD and I.I would also be different. I would affirm an EENS with no exceptions and they would affirm an EENS with exceptions.

It is not known how the seminary building will be used. The original community of the Fransciscans Friars of the Immaculate are not seen here.-Lionel Andrades

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 JUNE 2, 2021

I affirm the Athanasius Creed

 I affirm the Athanasius Creed,interpret the Nicene and Apostles Creed rationally,interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and do not use the false premise to interpret the Catechisms of Trent, Baltimore, Pius X, John Paul II etc.The Catechism of the Catholic Church is not a break with Tradition for me.I do not employ the false premise, inference and conclusion of cardinals Ratzinger and Schonborn.I interpret Vatican Council II rationally with the hermeneutic of continity with Feeneyite EENS, the Deposit of Faith and the popes and saints of the past.My interpretation of Church document is Magisterial,since it is rational, traditional and in harmony with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church.The present two popes interpretation of Magisterial documents with the false premise is not Magisterial. It is political. -Lionel Andrades

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