Sunday, November 11, 2018
In this state Bishop Bernard Fellay and Fr.Pier Paulo Petrucci offer the Tridentine Rite Mass
In La Tradizione Cattolica ( N.4(97) 2015) published by the SSPX, Italy ( Fraternita Sacerdotale San Pio X) Albano, Fr. Pierpaolo Petrucci, the former Superior General continues to assume Vatican Council II has referred to known explicit cases, of persons saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church, who are explicit exceptions to the old ecclesiology.He has written an article 'Il concilio Vaticano II e la salvezza delle anime'. The explicit-implicit, visible-invisible mix up is there through most of the article.1
On page 8 of the article 'Il concilio Vaticano II e la salvezza delle anime' La Tradizione Cattolica ( N.4(97) 2015) Fr.Pierpaulo Petrucci, Superior General, SSPX ,Italy refers to Lumen Gentium 8 :
This is the one Church of Christ which in the Creed is professed as one, holy, catholic and apostolic, (12*) which our Saviour, after His Resurrection, commissioned Peter to shepherd,(74) and him and the other apostles to extend and direct with authority,(75) which He erected for all ages as "the pillar and mainstay of the truth".(76) This Church constituted and organized in the world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him,(13*) although many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure. These elements, as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ, are forces impelling toward catholic unity.-Lumen Gentium 8 ( emphasis mine) 2
For Fr.Pierpaolo Petrucci, who is no more in Italy, Vatican Council II is saying there are explicit, personally known cases of persons saved with 'elements of sanctification and of truth'(LG 8) outside the visible boundaries of the the Church i.e without faith and baptism. Since these cases are explicit for him, they become exceptions to the old ecclesiology and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). So he complains. He criticizes Vatican Council II.
So like Bishop Bernard Fellay 3, Fr.Petrucci refers to Lumen Gentium 8 which mentions elements of sanctification and truth in other religions.
This is their inference.
For them Lumen Gentium 8 says there are salvific elements in other religions and this is in conflice with the dogma EENS.
But there cannot any such case for us human beings. Practically we cannot know of any non Catholic saved outside the Church with elements of sanctification a nd truth.The text of LG 8 also does not state that there are such known people who are visible and personally known to us. It leaves it up to us to infer whether there are such cases or there are not.
THEY BOTH SUPPORT THE LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE WHICH IS HERETICAL
In the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 accepted by all the Italian priests in Italy there was an objective mistake. The Letter assumed invisible and hypothetical cases were objective exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus.A false premise (invisible people are visible, BOD, BOB and I.I are known people) was used and there was an incorrect inference( there is known salvation outside the Church and so the dogma EENS is contradicted).
HOLY MASS OFFERED WITH HERESY , MORTAL SIN OF FATIH
This has a bearing on the Holy Mass which Bishop Bernard Fellay and Fr.Pierpaulo Petrucci offers.I mentioned yesterday that the SSPX Mass has an impediment : rupture with EENS, Nicene Creed and Catechisms as they were interpreted in the 16th century at Mass is sacrilege.
I wrote :-
'Tomorrow Sunday the SSPX bishops and priests will offer the Tridentine Rite Mass while interpreting the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) with irrational Cushingism, instead of Feeneyism.So with this irrationality Magisterial documents will come across as being heretical.
They interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism. They reject the Council(Cushingite) but do not interpret it with Feeneyism.
I affirm BOD,BOB and I.I with Feeneyism. I also affirm Vatican Council II with Feeneyism. I follow Tradition.
The SSPX interprets the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) with Cushingism. I use traditional Feeneyite philosophy.For me EENS is Feeneyite.So they reject the original interpretation of EENS. Again this is heresy. This is a mortal sin of faith.
This is an impediment to offering Holy Mass.'
HYPOTHETICAL CASE IS AN OBJECTIVE EXCEPTION TO EENS FOR FR. PETRUCCI
In Letters to Friends and Benefactors 82, Bishop Fellay assumes Lumen Gentium 8 is an exception to EENS and here I have shown where the former Superior of the SSPX, Italy makes the same mistake.
BISHOP FELLAY AND FR.PETRUCCI'S UNDERSTANDING OF THE NICENE CREED IS HERETICAL
Since the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) refer to explicit non Catholics saved outside the Church , without the baptism of water, as suggested in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949,for Bishop Bernard Fellay and Fr.Petrucci, there are now two interpretations of the Nicene Creed. For them it is ,'I believe in three or more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins and they exclude the baptism of water, they are the baptisms of desire,blood, invincible ignorance etc'.For me it is 'I believe in one (known) baptism for the forgiveness of sins'.Bishop Fellay and Fr.Petrucci's understanding of the Creed is heretical.
CATECHISM OF POPE PIUS X IS A RUPTURE WITH THE SYLLABUS FOR THEM
CATECHISM OF POPE PIUS X IS A RUPTURE WITH THE SYLLABUS FOR THEM
So when the Catechism of Pope Pius X mentions invincible ignorance, for example,for the SSPX bishops and superiors, this would be a known person saved outside the Church.It would be an exception to EENS and the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church.It would be an exception to the past ecumenism of return. So the Catechism of Pope Pius X would then contradict Feeneyite EENS, the Syllabus of Errors( Feeneyite) and the past excluvist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church.This is a doctrinal mess.
But in this state Bishop Bernard Fellay and Fr.Pier Paulo Petrucci offer the Tridentine Rite Mass.-Lionel Andrades
1
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2016/01/fr-pier-paolo-petrucci-superior.html
https://www.sanpiox.it/pubblicazioni/riviste/88-tradizione-cattolica-archivio
2.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2015/07/frpier-paolo-petrucci-sspx-district.html
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2016/01/if-sspx-bishops-and-frpierpaulo.html
Atti del XX Convegno di Studi Cattolici, Rimini 2012. Concilio Vaticano II e la salvezza delle anime, la morte dello spirit missionario di Don Pierpaolo Petrucci pp.39-58. Published byFraternita Sacredotale San Pio X in collaboration with La Tradizione Cattolica.
p.39 Fuori dellaChiesa non c'e salvezza.
p.47. Gli errori penetrati nel Concilio.
p.49. Unitatis Redintigratio
p.51. Nostra Aetate 2
3.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/11/bishop-bernard-fellays-holy-mass-has.html
SEPTEMBER 12, 2016
Fr.Pierpaulo Petrucci, District Superior, SSPX , Albano,Italy mixes up invisible cases as being visible, what is not seen as being seen
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2016/09/frpierpaulo-petrucci-superior-general.html
NOVEMBER 29, 2017
No denial from Cardinal Ladaria and Bishop Fellay : two interpretations of Vatican Council II and theirs is the irrational one
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/11/no-denial-from-cardinal-ladaria-and.html
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