Sunday, August 15, 2021
It is important, if the theology was not leftist, that the parishioners proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics.This is a political issue which the centre right politicians in Italy have not made an issue
The campaigning for the Municipal elections in Rome is underway and
Matteo Salvini and Georgia Melloni are ‘not playing the religion card’.Since
they do not know theology and the liberals and Lefebvrists will not explain it
to them.
In my parish in Casaloti,Boccea Rome, the priests interpret Vatican
Council II with an irrational premise. Salvini’s representative does not do
anything about it.
In the parish we don’t have unity on the First Commandment and the
Athanasius Creed.Since the parish priests like the bishop and the pope, are
obligated to follow the irrational Leftist theology approved by the Masonic
lodges and the George Soros.
The Left should keep their politics outside the Church.
Vatican Council II is dogmatic and supports the strict interpretation of
the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The Church does not teach a separation
of Church and State. Everyone needs to accept Jesus in the Catholic Church to
avoid Hell.There are no practical exceptions.So it is important that the Government be Catholic and follow the
traditional teachings of the Church. It is important, if the theology was not
leftist, that the parishioners proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King in
all politics.This is a political issue which the centre right politicians in
Italy have not made an issue.-Lionel Andrades
JULY 17, 2021
Visit my parish
Visit my parish
I saw a publicity vehicle moving at Cornelia, Rome saying there would be a talk at Boccea. Matteo Salvini was to speak.I thought that he needs to call for the interpretation of Vatican Council II without the false premise.This is a political issue he must address.
If a fake premise is used then there is a break with the historical Catholic Church, a break with the traditional Catholic Church which Salvini supports.
So the Lega needs to affirm Vatican Council II ( rational) and even make it a part of their manifesto.
For instance, in the churches at Boccea, the Left forces the priests, to create a rupture with the historicl Catholic Church and this is approved by Pope Francis.
Pope Francis ‘ interpretation of Vatican Council II is political and not Magisterial. He would have to interpret the Council with the rational premise, inference and conclusion, for Vatican Council II to be Magisterial. He must not deliberately continue to use the fake premise to interpreta the Council. This is a political issue for the Left which the Lega must address.
He could visit my parish in Boccea, the church Santa Maria di Nazareth and ask the priests to interpret Vatican Council II rationally and not with falsehood. Tell the people that political candidates who support abortion and homosexual acts are in mortal sin and voting for them in cooperating in this mortal sin. This is politically non separation of the Leftist state and the Church.The Parish Priests cannot ask that the Mayor of Rome be a Catholic, who interprets Vatican Council II rationally.This would be the separation of the Leftist State and the Church.
The Rome Vicarate does not allow any Parish Priests to publically support any candidate for the Mayor’s office but allows him to interpret Vatican Council II irrationally and then in an indirect way support the Left. So the priest cannot say that outside the Church there is no salvation.Since with the premise there is salvation. And so all must be Catholic to avoid Hell and so it is necessary that Government also be Catholic.
Presently there is the non separation of Church and State in Rome where the pontifical universities have to interpret Vatican Council II with a fake premise, create a rupture with Tradition and then be able to receive funds.
If they used the rational premise, inference and non tradtional conclusion to interpret that Council they would be black listed.Since then they would be supporting exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church, like the historical Church in Italy.
So the professors and students to avoid being expelled interpret Vatican Council II, the Creeds, Catechisms etc with the irrational premise and create the break with Tradition, which is presently approved by the Leftist government in Italy.
With the fake premise the Council is a break with the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.New doctrines are created on Ecumenism, Evangelisation etc.
The New Theology created with the false premise says outside the Church there is known salvation. There are known non Catholics saved without faith and baptism and ias referenced in LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc of Vatican Council II. So when there are known people saved outside the Church in 1965-2021, it is asked by Pope Benedict, and others, why have traditional Mission? He supports the Left.
Why also proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politically legislation and the non separation of Church and State , he may ask.So the Parish Priests in Boccea, Rome where Matteo Salvini visited and spoke do not proclaim that it is necessary that Government should also be Catholic.
He could visit my parish and talk to the priests and parishioners. Tell them to interpret the Council without the common false premise, approved by the leftist government. -Lionel Andrades
JUNE 5, 2021
Catholic priests agree with me on five points but will not proclaim them in public
JUNE 5, 2021
Catholic priests in the parish Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Rome agree with me on five points
In the parish Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Rome, near the Battistini Metro Station, there have been two religious communities housed there, the Joseleitos Christo and the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate.This is also the parish of Lionel Andrades according to his blog Eucharist and Mission( Lionel's Blog).The religious communities there agree with him on the following five points.
JUNE 4, 2021
They agree with me : A Catholic should be elected Mayor of Rome : Vatican Council II must be the test of being a Catholic
The priests of the Joseleitos de Christo community at the church Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Rome, in principle agree that there are no objective examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church in 2021.There are no practical exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) in the present times (1965-2021).There are no physically visible cases of non Catholics, saved with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water and Catholic faith.We cannot see or meet someone who is an exception to the norm for salvation i.e faith and baptism (Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II).This was also the view of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, who were last year in this parish. They too agree with me.The Rector of Francisican Friar seminary in the parish was Fr. Rosario Sammarco f.i and Parish Priest, Fr.Giuseppe Grioni f.i.The seminary is closed and the building is under the management of the Comitato dell Immaculata, set up originally by Fr. Stefano Mannelli f.i.
In the parish today the Parish Priest Fr.Francisco De Barros Barbosa, sjc in public interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise. If he did not use the false premise, Vatican Council II (AG 7) would affirm the past ecumenism of return to the Catholic Church, an exclusivist ecclesiology, the old traditional theology of outside the Church there is no salvation and the need to proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King in all national politics in Italy.
However he agrees with me - there are no objective exceptions to EENS. There are no physically visible cases of non Catholics saved with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water and Catholic faith.
The priests of the Joseleitos di Christo and Franciscans of the Immaculate need to tell Catholics and especially parishioners, to vote only for candidates for the Mayor's office in Rome, who interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise.They would be true Catholics. With Vatican Council II ( rational) they would be affirming EENS.So based upon EENS they could proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King ( Quas Primas ) in all political legislation.Since outside the Church there is no known salvation the priority is that all accept the norm for salvation-faith and the baptism of water in the Catholic Church, to avoid Hell.
We all agree that if there was any one saved outside the Catholic Church it could only be known to God.So Catholic faith and the baptism of water is still the norm and the priority to go to Heaven and avoid Hell for all people with no known exceptions.-Lionel Andrades
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If the laity and politicians in France learn that Vatican Council II interpreted with a rational premise supports 16th century Tradition, it will be taking back the Church from the leftist bishops and priests and politicians. It should show over time in the polls.
If the laity and politicians in France learn that Vatican Council II
interpreted with a rational premise supports 16th century Tradition, it will be
taking back the Church from the leftist bishops and priests and politicians. It
should show over time in the polls.
The only thing preventing a Restoration in France is Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise, by the liberals and Lefebvrists.
With one simple move-change the premise- we take the Church back to the ecclesiology of the times of St. Joan of Arc. Back to the times of the Vendees.
The false premise has brought division into the Church.It shows up in theology, doctrines and discipline.Get rid of it.
The laity in Dijone, for example, should appeal before the Municipal Council and the newspaper offices.Ask them to tell Bishop Roland Minnerath and all the priests to interpret Vatican Council II with a rational premise, irrespective of the Rite of the Holy Mass.
Ask the politicians to issue a statement saying interpreting Vatican Council II with a false premise is unethical and not Catholic.
Show them how Vatican Council II can be interpreted with a rational premise, inference and traditional conclusion and also with an irrational premise, inference and conclusion.Ask the bishops conferences and Catechechetical Centers,to be honest.
The people have to be aware, that presently even the FSSP and SSPX are interpreting Vatican Council II with a false premise (invisible cases are visible in 2021) rejecting the non traditional conclusion and going back to traditional sources of the Faith.
The liberals and ecclesiastics are also interpreting Vatican Council II with the same false premise(invisible people are visible) and are accepting the non traditional conclusion, which they use to make Tradition obsolete.
Both groups are using the same fake premise.
The laity only know of the results, the change in doctrine and discipline.They are not aware of the original fake premise which creates 'the reforms of Vatican Council II' as the secular media calls it.
The Latin laity can take back the Church in Dijone, France.Their advantake is that they have a coherent and consistent body of knowledge from which to draw from.It never changes.This is Catholic Tradition.It would appeal to even those who attend the Novus Ordo Mass once they learn that there can only be a rational interpretation of Vatican Council II.
The FSSP must not leave Dijone.It is the Minneraths who must be on the defensive with their irrational and bad theology.
The FSSP could offer a solemn Mass in the French language. Vatican Council II ( rational ) is now no more an issue.So they could offer the Novus Ordo Mass with the Tridentine ecclesiology.Go through the rubrics as if it was the Mass in Latin.They can offer the Latin Mass privately,for now.-Lionel Andrades
MONDAY, JUNE 28, 2021
Le Pen must see that the problem in Dijon is political and not only religious : Bishop Minnerath must be asked to interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise at Holy Mass
LE PEN MUST SEE THAT THE PROBLEM IN DIJON IS POLITICAL AND NOT ONLY RELIGIOUS: BISHOP MINNERATH MUST BE ASKED TO INTERPRET VATICAN COUNCIL II WITHOUT THE FALSE PREMISE AT HOLY MASS.
Le Pen must be shown that the Dijon problem is not only religious but also political. Bishop Minnerath wants to interpret Vatican Council II like the poltiical Left and so create a rupture between Church and State, faith and practical government.
Le Pen could ask Bishop Minnerath to interpret Vatican Council II and the Syllabus of Errors without the false premise and to interpret the First Commandment as did the Magisterium of the Church over the centuries in France.
The difference between Bishop Minnerath and me is that I consider baptism of desire (BOD), baptism of blood (BDS) and invincible ignorance (I.I) as not being exceptions to Feeneyite EENS. There are no literal cases in 2021. So the Second Vatican Council is not a break with Tradition for me. It has a continuity with the traditional exclusive salvation. Ad Gentes 7 says that everyone needs faith and baptism for salvation. Therefore according to the Council everyone needs to convert to the Catholic Church for salvation (AG 7) and not only those who "know" (LG 14). Those who "know" and who are saved,are known only to God. The norm for salvation is AG 7 and not LG 14. While LG 14(invincible ignorance) is not exception for AG 7. -Lionel Andrades_____________________ MARCH 2, 2021
Could a new discovery about Vatican Council II change the voting pattern in Catholic France ?
LE PEN MUST SEE THAT THE PROBLEM IN DIJON IS POLITICAL AND NOT ONLY RELIGIOUS: BISHOP MINNERATH MUST BE ASKED TO INTERPRET VATICAN COUNCIL II WITHOUT THE FALSE PREMISE AT HOLY MASS.
Le Pen must be shown that the Dijon problem is not only religious but also political. Bishop Minnerath wants to interpret Vatican Council II like the poltiical Left and so create a rupture between Church and State, faith and practical government.
Le Pen could ask Bishop Minnerath to interpret Vatican Council II and the Syllabus of Errors without the false premise and to interpret the First Commandment as did the Magisterium of the Church over the centuries in France.
The difference between Bishop Minnerath and me is that I consider baptism of desire (BOD), baptism of blood (BDS) and invincible ignorance (I.I) as not being exceptions to Feeneyite EENS. There are no literal cases in 2021. So the Second Vatican Council is not a break with Tradition for me. It has a continuity with the traditional exclusive salvation. Ad Gentes 7 says that everyone needs faith and baptism for salvation. Therefore according to the Council everyone needs to convert to the Catholic Church for salvation (AG 7) and not only those who "know" (LG 14). Those who "know" and who are saved,are known only to God. The norm for salvation is AG 7 and not LG 14. While LG 14(invincible ignorance) is not exception for AG 7. -Lionel Andrades
MARCH 2, 2021
Could a new discovery about Vatican Council II change the voting pattern in Catholic France ?
Macron and Le Pen in France interpret Vatican Council II with a fake premise to create a rupture with Catholic theology of France in the Middle Ages.Will a new discovery about Vatican Council II change the voting pattern in Catholic France ?
Practising Catholics who voted for Fellon would appreciate the Catholic Church going back to Tradition. They simply have to interpret the Council without the fake premise and it is back to Catholic doctrine of the 15th century.1
Traditional Catholics voted for Fellon in a Church divided with liberalism based upon a false interpretation of Vatican Council II. Now it is clear that the Council can be interpreted in harmony with Tradition and there is no theological opening for the liberalism of the last 55 years.2
-Lionel Andrades
1
According to a recent poll, only 42 percent of Fillon voters plan to vote Macron in the runoff, versus 31 percent for Le Pen; 27 percent either have not made up their mind or plan to stay home. Not all Fillon voters are Catholics, of course, but the Fillon vote overlaps with a lot of practicing Catholics. Forty-four percent of Mass-going Catholics voted for Mr. Fillon in the first round, according to a Harris Interactive poll, and 68 percent of practicing Catholics voted for a candidate who is not in the runoff, reports the Catholic magazine La Vie.https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2017/05/03/macron-le-pen-runoff-reveals-fault-lines-french-catholic-revival
2
But Francois Fillon showed in November that there were still lots of votes to win on the right when he swept the primary of the Republicans — the main conservative party — by openly appealing to traditional Catholics angered by the Socialist government’s legalization of same-sex marriage in 2013.
His unexpected primary victory made him look like the probable next president. But his campaign soon became mired in a series of financial scandals that unsettled Catholics originally attracted by his Mr. Clean image.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/03/24/france-president-election-politicians-religion-muslims/99580576/
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Macron and Le Pen in France interpret Vatican Council II with a fake premise to create a rupture with Catholic theology of France in the Middle Ages.Will a new discovery about Vatican Council II change the voting pattern in Catholic France ?
Practising Catholics who voted for Fellon would appreciate the Catholic Church going back to Tradition. They simply have to interpret the Council without the fake premise and it is back to Catholic doctrine of the 15th century.1
Traditional Catholics voted for Fellon in a Church divided with liberalism based upon a false interpretation of Vatican Council II. Now it is clear that the Council can be interpreted in harmony with Tradition and there is no theological opening for the liberalism of the last 55 years.2
-Lionel Andrades
1
According to a recent poll, only 42 percent of Fillon voters plan to vote Macron in the runoff, versus 31 percent for Le Pen; 27 percent either have not made up their mind or plan to stay home. Not all Fillon voters are Catholics, of course, but the Fillon vote overlaps with a lot of practicing Catholics. Forty-four percent of Mass-going Catholics voted for Mr. Fillon in the first round, according to a Harris Interactive poll, and 68 percent of practicing Catholics voted for a candidate who is not in the runoff, reports the Catholic magazine La Vie.https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2017/05/03/macron-le-pen-runoff-reveals-fault-lines-french-catholic-revival
2
But Francois Fillon showed in November that there were still lots of votes to win on the right when he swept the primary of the Republicans — the main conservative party — by openly appealing to traditional Catholics angered by the Socialist government’s legalization of same-sex marriage in 2013.
His unexpected primary victory made him look like the probable next president. But his campaign soon became mired in a series of financial scandals that unsettled Catholics originally attracted by his Mr. Clean image.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/03/24/france-president-election-politicians-religion-muslims/99580576/
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The cause for the liberalism in the Church after Vatican Council II is unknown and the result of the Council is mistaken as the cause of 'the revolution', 'the reforms' in the Church : the result is confused as the cause
The
rejection of traditional exclusive salvation , the new ecumenism, ‘the spirit
of Vatican Council II’, the general liberalism is not caused by Vatican Council
II(VC2) per se, in itself.The result of VC2 has a hidden cause. It is
subtle.Most people are unaware of the real cause of the liberalism. They
confuse ‘the result’ as being the cause.Once the precise cause of the
liberalism is known, it makes no difference, knowing that Rahner, Ratzinger,
Congar, Cushing and Murray were present at the Counci. They all are incidental.Since once the
cause of the liberalism is known, the liberalism can be eliminated and so the
presence of the Masons at the Council, does not prevent a return to Tradition
today, with the same Vatican Council II of 1965.
CAUSE AND EFFECT
This
point of cause and effect is very important. Since most Catholics confuse the
effect, the ‘liberal reforms of VC 2’ with the presence of
liberal ecclesiastics and non Christians at the venue of the Council as being the cause. Or they
confuse the change in liturgy, the new Mass, as the cause of the liberalism.
They are not aware of the precise cause of the break with Tradition.It is hidden. So they put the responsibility, for the change in the Church, on many things, except for the precise cause.
Those who have been reading this blog Eucharist and Mission ( euchararistandmission ) will know what is the precise cause and how in a flash we can go back to Tradition in 2021.
But this was not known in 1965. It was not known to Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. If Fr. Leonard Feeney knew about it he did not mention it in public. It was not known clearly to Archbishop Pierre Thuc.
THE NEW THEOLOGY WAS BASED UPON AN EMPIRICAL ERROR
Let me name it.The precise cause for 'the revolution', 'the reforms of VC2', 'the paradigm shift' in the Catholic Church, 'the New Theology', was an empirical error, an error in observation, a philosophical error, that go passed every one.It was there in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston (LOHO).
Now we come to the 'cause'. The cause, in a surprise for some, would not be the German theologians or the German ecclesiastics.The cause was a simple and subtle error, which brought in a New Theology which says outside the Church there is known salvation in the present times.This resulted in new doctrines, a dogma being discarded. The result was there were new disciplines in the Church, a new understanding of Church ( ecclesiology). With the New Theology it was possible to have the New Ecumenism, New Ecclesiology, New Evangelisation, New Canon Law etc.
It seems as if Cardinal Ratzinger/Pope Benedict, knew what was the precise cause and he would not make it public. He would use it to make changes in the Church. He would sustain the progressivism and liberalism, now seen in the German Synodal Path.He did not tell Archbishop Lefebvre about 'the cause', but allowed him to be excommunicated. If Pope Pius XII knew of 'the cause' i.e invisible cases of the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance are not visible exceptions to traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus, he did not announce it. He allowed Fr. Leonard Feeney to be excommunicated.He let the Church believe that invisible cases are visible.
So the irrationality, 'the cause' came into the Church when Joseph Ratzinger was a young man during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII.Ratzinger was not responsible for it.He went along with 'the dark secret ', beleiving it was in the interest of peace and security and the welfare of the Church.
Our Lady would tell Fr. Stefano Gobbi, in her locutions to him, that Satan would enter the Church at the highest levels and confuse ecclesiastics.
Pope Pius XII knew about the dark secret but he kept quiet with reference to Fr. Leonard Feeney, the archives indicate. This was mentioned by Brother Andre Marie MICM when interviewed by Timothy Flanders, the new editor at 1Peter5.
The 'cause' was the confusing of hypothetical cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) as being objective examples of salvation outside the Church and practical exceptions to the past ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church.
So the LOHO wrongly concluded that not every one needs to be a formal member of the Church for salvation.Why? Since there were, allegedly, personally known cases of non Catholics saved outside the Church, without faith and the baptism of water, and instead with BOD, BOB and I.I.
So now it is asked , how can invisible people be practical exceptions for the Syllabus of Errors on an ecumenism of return, or the traditional ecclesiocentrism of Fr. Leonard Feeney and the St. Benedict Center ?
Fr.Leonard Feeney could see through the error. He commented on the ecclesiastics in Boston and Rome, not knowing theology.
They probably knew theology but for political reasons were projecting invisible cases as being practical exceptions to traditional EENS. This was after World War II and the creation of the new state of Israel.
Fr. Leonard Feeney had the Boston establishment and hierarchy in Rome against him.Their agenda seemed, 'get rid of the dogma EENS in the Catholic Church. Teach error.'Archbishop Lefebvre was up against the same thing in 1965.The St. Benedict Center(SBC) and the SBC professors dismissed by Jesuit Boston College, knew what was happening, but to whom could they go to ? Boston and Rome wanted to change doctrine and then Pope Paul VI made it official at Vatican Council II.
LUMEN GENTIUM 16 IS ALWAYS INVISIBLE
In all the confusion of those times no one pointed out that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, like BOD and I.I in 1949 were always invisible cases.
If LG 8 etc, like BOD and I.I are seen as invisible cases the Church could return to it's past exclusivist ecclesiology. There would no more be the New Theology and New Liberalism.
THEY COULD SEE THE RESULT BUT NOT THE CAUSE.
Many religious left the Church after 1965.They could see 'the result'.They did not know about the cause. May be some in Boston knew what was the cause.The cause was not the elimination of the dogma EENS-that was the result. The cause was the official use of the false premise.It was confusing hypothetical cases of BOD, BOB and I.I as being practical exceptions to EENS, the Syllabus of Errors, the Athanasius Creed etc.
The cause of the rupture with Tradition was not known to the SBC either.They were interpreting Vatican Council II as a break with Tradition.This can be seen today on the Catholicism.org reports on Vatican Council II.The SBC never said that Vatican Council II was Feeneyite. Instead, like the SSPX, the Council was always Cushingite for them.They interpreted the Council with the false premise.It was the popes who also used the false premise and so were irrational, heretical and schismatic.
The SBC communities held on to the truth about EENS for all of us and we have to admire them for this.
The 'cause'- was the false premise.
Now Pope Francis can re-read Vatican Council II differently. He has a choice. We all have a choice. We don't have to read the Council like Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.Our premise is invisible cases are always invisible on earth.This is rational.So our conclusion is invisible cases of LG 8, LG 16, UR 3 etc in Vatican Council II, are not visible exceptions to EENS).Our conclusion is now rational and traditional.
For us, the ecclesiology of the Church today, can be the same as in 1948 and earlier.Vatican Council II (rational) is an ally, with the hermeneutic of continuity with past.It means when Pope Francis and Pope Benedict interpret Vatican Council II, EENS and other Magisterial documents with the rational premise they are Magisterial. When they use the false premise they are no more magisterial.-Lionel Andrades
AUGUST 14, 2021
Pope Francis’ interpretation of Vatican Council II is now obsolete.Catholics can interpret the Council with a rational premise and undo the error of half a century.
AUGUST 14, 2021
There is an objective and factual error in Eric Sammons new book Deadly Indifference. His Salvation Spectrum is based upon the irrational premise he uses to interpret Vatican Council II.Without the objective mistake in the interpretation of Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus he would be left with only the ‘absolutist’ interpretation, in his spectrum.Now he chooses the New Theology
AUGUST 14, 2021
All the reports on Traditionis Custode are not mentioning that the popes have interpreted Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) with a fake premise and this is the officially approved interpretation for all priests who wish to offer Holy Mass in any rite
AUGUST 14, 2021
The popes from Paul VI to Francis have used a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II . The popes from Pius XII to Francis have used a false premise to interpret extra ecclesiam nulla salus
AUGUST 14, 2021
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