Canonical decisions are given in general by ecclesiastical courts which interpret Vatican Council II and EENS with a false premise instead of without it. Catholic judges in the secular courts here have not corrected this error.The new liberalism in the Church is based upon a false premise used to interpret Vatican Council II.It is approved by the Roman Rota.

 Canonical decisions are given in general by ecclesiastical courts which interpret Vatican Council II and EENS with a false premise instead of without it. Catholic judges in the secular courts here have not corrected this error.The new liberalism in the Church is based upon a false premise used to interpret Vatican Council II.It is approved by the Roman Rota. -Lionel Andrades

Of what value are the encyclicals and apostolic letters when the popes do not want to affirm EENS, the Syllabus of Errors and the Athansius Creed, without the false premise, like the martyrs and saints.

 Of what value are the encyclicals and apostolic letters when the popes do not want to affirm EENS, the Syllabus of Errors and the Athansius Creed, without the false premise, like the martyrs and saints.

Encylicals and apostolic letters are liberal when Vatican Council II and EENS are interpreted with an irrational premise.So there is a break with the Catholic Faith as it was proclaimed by the martyrs.

When the false premise is not used we automatically return to Tradition ( Feeneyite EENs, Feeneyite Syllabus etc). -Lionel Andrades

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Pope Paul VI could have interpreted Vatican Council II without the false premise and so the Council would be in harmony with the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). Pope Francis and Cardinal Robert Sarah can do the same today.

 Pope Paul VI could have interpreted Vatican Council II without the false premise and so the Council would be in harmony with the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). Pope Francis and Cardinal Robert Sarah can do the same today. -Lionel Andrades

Bishop Bruno Forte, Cardinal Kasper and Bishop Semeraro's books on ecclesiology are still part of the bibliography for the Ecclesiology semesters this year at the pontifical universities in Rome. They all use a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II to create a new liberalism, with dual doctrines.

 Bishop Bruno Forte, Cardinal Kasper and Bishop Semeraro's books on ecclesiology are still part of the bibliography for the Ecclesiology semesters this year at the pontifical universities in Rome. They all use a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II to create a new liberalism, with dual doctrines.Without the irrational premise there is no rupture with the past exclusive ecclesiology of the Catholic Church. There is nothing in Lumen Gentium to contradict the old exclusive ecclesiology of the Church. Forte, Kasper and Semeraro would have to use the false premise when they cite Vatican Council II.

Similarly there is nothing in the whole of Unitatis Redintigratio ( Decree on Ecumenism) in Vatican Council II to contradict the past ecumenism of return. Forte, Kasper and Semeraro would have to re-intepret the Council using the false premise, to create the new ecumenism.

It is the same for Evangelisation and theology in general. -Lionel Andrades

The Catholic News Agency interviewed Cardinal Zen on Vatican Council II knowing that he holds the liberal position which contradicts Archbishop Carlo Vigano. They did not ask Zen if he knew that the Council could be interpreted without the false premise and then the conclusion would be traditional. Soon there will be another interview of Bishop Athanasius Schneider on Life Sites News and he will not be asked if he knows that Vatican Council II can be interpreted without the false premise and then the conclusion would be traditional.

 The Catholic News Agency interviewed Cardinal Zen on Vatican Council II knowing that he holds the liberal position which contradicts Archbishop Carlo Vigano. They did not ask Zen if he knew that the Council  could be interpreted without the false premise and then the conclusion would be traditional.

Soon there will be another interview of Bishop Athanasius Schneider on Life Sites News  and he will not be asked if he knows that Vatican Council II can be interpreted without the false premise and then the conclusion would be traditional. -Lionel Andrades

All the Dominican priests who are permitted to hear Confession at the Basillica of St. Mary Majors, Rome have to tell a lie on Vatican Council II. They have to use the false premise to interpret the Council to create a rupture with Tradition and appear liberal. This is obligatory like wearing the face mask.

 

All the Dominican priests who are permitted to hear Confession at the Basillica of St. Mary Majors, Rome have to tell a lie on Vatican Council II. They have to use the false premise to interpret the Council to create a rupture with Tradition and appear liberal. This is obligatory like wearing the face mask. -Lionel Andrades

The Dominicans who have had their theological formation at the University of St. Thomas Aquinas(Angelicum), Rome and who will be ordained as priests this year have to interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise. There is no ordination without this official lie.

 The Dominicans who have had their theological formation at the University of St. Thomas Aquinas(Angelicum), Rome and who will be ordained as priests this year have to interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise. There is no ordination without this official lie. -Lionel Andrades

Pope Benedict's articles on ecclesiology on line are misleading. They belong to another generation. The one which interpreted Vatican Council II with a false premise to create a non traditional conclusion and the new liberalism. The articles in German translated into English, need to be removed and the error made public.

 Pope Benedict's articles on ecclesiology on line are misleading. They belong to another generation. The one which interpreted Vatican Council II with a false premise to create a non traditional conclusion and the new liberalism. The articles in German translated into English, need to be removed and the error made public. -Lionel Andrades

The media in Germany is not asking Cardinal Marx to interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise and inference and neither is the media - secular and Church - doing the same.

 The media in Germany is not asking Cardinal Marx to interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise and inference and neither is the media - secular and Church -doing the same. -Lionel Andrades

Who is conservative and who is liberal ?

 Who is conservative and who is liberal ?

If you interpret Vatican Council II and Magisterial documents with a false premise you are a liberal since you have created an artificial rupture with Tradition ( EENS, Syllabus etc).

If you do not use the false premise, you are conservative. Since you are affirming exclusive salvation and the rest of Tradition. -Lionel Andrades

So what if a Catholic goes for the Latin Mass. If he interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise, he is a liberal.

 So what if a Catholic goes for the Latin Mass. If he interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise, he is a liberal. -Lionel Andrades

Proclaiming exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church does not depend upon the Latin Mass. It comes about simply by avoiding the false premise.

 Proclaiming exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church does not depend upon the Latin Mass. It comes about simply by avoiding the false premise. -Lionel Andrades

I affirm all Magisterial documents which I interpret without the false premise. So I cannot be a liberal. There is no choice.

 I affirm all Magisterial documents which I interpret without the false premise. So I cannot be a liberal. There is no choice. -Lionel Andrades

Young Catholics in the churches are presented with a political concept of Vatican Council II created with a false premise. When they do not accept it and return to Tradition they are told they are causing division in the Church - when it really is the use of the false premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II which causes division with the Magisterium of the past on EENS, Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc

 Young Catholics in the churches are presented with a political concept of Vatican Council II created with a false premise. When they do not accept it and return to Tradition they are told they are causing division in the Church - when it really is the use of the false premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II which causes division with the Magisterium of the past on EENS, Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc. -Lionel Andrades

An apology from Andrea Tornelli at the Vatican Press Office is over due. He wrote his books assuming unknown cases of the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance were objective exceptions to traditional 16th century EENS.

An apology from Andrea Tornelli at the Vatican Press Office is over due. He wrote his books assuming unknown cases of the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance were objective exceptions to traditional 16th century EENS.- Lionel Andrades

Knock them off your shelf.

 In about all the books on Vatican Council II invincible ignorance(LG 16) is assumed to be an exception to Feeneyite EENS. So 16th century EENS is written off. The books on the Council are non traditional  and mislead the reader.

Knock them off your shelf. -Lionel Andrades

An apology is needed from Pope Benedict

 At Vatican Council II Fr. Ratzinger  assumed Lumen Gentium 16(LG 16) was an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).

In two papers of the International Theological Commission(ITC), Vatican, he made the same mistake as Cardinal Ratzinger.

In the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1994) he made the same mistake along with Cardinal Schonborn.

An apology is needed from him. -Lionel Andrades

Look at the baptism of desire differently

 When there are no baptism of desire(BOD) cases in our reality then BOD is not an exception to EENS.It does not exist. Look at BOD differently. -Lionel Andrades

We don't know of any one saved outside the Church in invincible ignorance.

 We don't know of any one saved outside the Church in invincible ignorance. - Don Antonio, Chaplain, Pontifical University of the Sacred Heart ( Opus Dei), Rome. 

Invincible ignorance is not a defacto exception to EENS. It is not a known person saved outside the Catholic Church.

 Invincible ignorance is not a defacto exception to EENS. It is not a known person saved outside the Catholic Church.

Being saved in invincible ignorance technically exists only on paper. - Ann Barnhardt.

Being saved in invincible ignorance is 'a zero case'. -John Martignoni. -Lionel Andrades

There is no separation of Church and State when the false premise is not used.

 There is no separation of Church and State when the false premise is not used.Since then the Council does not contradict Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) upon which is based the traditional proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King in political legislation. Vatican Council II interpeted with the false premise creates a rupture with EENS and the Syllabus and so the teaching on the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics is made obsolete. It is asked why proclaim it when there is known salvation outside the Catholic Church.?-Lionel Andrades

The following books on Vatican Council II reviewed on the National Catholic Reporter were written with a false premise to create a false liberalism with an aritificial break with Tradition. Throw them out.

 The following books on Vatican Council II reviewed on the National Catholic Reporter were written with a false premise to create a false liberalism with an aritificial break with Tradition. Throw them out. -L.A

THE GOOD POPE: JOHN XXIII & VATICAN II: THE MAKING OF A SAINT AND THE REMAKING OF THE CHURCH
By Greg Tobin
Published by HarperOne, $26.99

But his abilities were seriously underestimated, as can be seen in Greg Tobin’s biography, The Good Pope. The book offers an engaging profile of the man who convened the 21st ecumenical council, which, depending on one’s interpretation, either threatened centuries of Roman Catholic tradition or enlightened them.

VATICAN II: THE BATTLE FOR MEANING
By Massimo Faggioli
Published by Paulist Press, $14.95

Some considered the council to be blessed by the Holy Spirit. Others, like the French Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, thought the council was the work of Satan. In Vatican II: The Battle for Meaning, Massimo Faggioli offers a hard-hitting study of the battles that took place during the council.

The council had barely begun when, on Oct. 30, 1962, dissension broke out. The conservative Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani protested a draft of a document concerning changes to the Mass. He asked, “Are we dealing here with a revolution regarding the whole Mass?” He listed his complaints, causing his speech to run over the time allotted. When he was cut off, something almost unheard of happened: “The assembly broke out in applause.”

Although traditionalists, as Faggioli shows, were a minority, they wielded great power and could count among their members the Roman Curia. Some traditionalists thought the council agenda was wrong to the point of being heretical. Lefebvre, for example, believed that when Paul VI promulgated the documents of Vatican II, he had ceased to be pope because his actions had been schismatic; the cardinals he appointed were therefore invalidly appointed. Others opposed the council but professed allegiance to the pope and to the bishops while fighting for a pre-Vatican II church.

VATICAN II: THE ESSENTIAL TEXTS
Edited by Norman Tanner, SJ
Published by Image Books, $19

In Vatican II: The Essential Texts, Jesuit Fr. Norman Tanner edits the council documents and frames each with a brief but informative overview by Edward Hahnenberg, author and professor of theology. The book opens with two essays offering opposing perspectives that set up the lines of argument emanating from council documents. Author James Carroll writes from the perspective of one who believes that the work of the council was to dismantle the last divine right monarchy and achieve a needed break with the past. Pope Benedict XVI, who takes the opposing view, sees the dissent regarding the council as one of hermeneutics (interpretation) and believes that the council called for renewal, not revolt.

KEYS TO THE COUNCIL: UNLOCKING THE TEACHING OF VATICAN II
By Richard Gaillardetz and Catherine E. Clifford
Published by Liturgical Press, $19.95

Despite the debates about Vatican II, few people knew what really happened during the council. Partly it was because of the secrecy surrounding it. But also, as explained in Richard Gaillardetz and Catherine E. Clifford’s Keys to the Council, it was difficult to understand such a large body of material dealing with thorny theological and philosophical issues. Paul VI increased the difficulty by allowing opposing sides to add their varying views to the documents, which tended to obfuscate their meaning. Shortly after the council ended, its major documents were published. This was followed by a flood of interpretations trying to explain what the documents actually meant.

Even the press releases concerning the council were difficult to follow. As Tobin mentions, a London periodical complained of “English so peculiarly outrageous that one hardly knows whether to laugh or cry.”

VATICAN II: FIFTY YEARS OF EVOLUTION AND REVOLUTION IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
By Margaret Lavin
Published by Novalis, $18.95

In Vatican II: Fifty Years of Evolution and Revolution in the Catholic Church, professor of theology Margaret Lavin offers an accessible, coherent look at the council. She explains the impetus behind the council, presents an overview of its documents, and then looks at their history, major themes and challenges.

CHRIST, CHURCH, MANKIND: THE SPIRIT OF VATICAN II ACCORDING TO POPE JOHN PAUL II
Edited by Zdzislaw Josef Kijas, OFM Cap, and Andrzej Dobrzynski
Published by Paulist Press, $15.95

Scholars worked to achieve a consensus in interpreting the documents, but as these books show, conflicts still exist. Some, for example, see John Paul II’s papacy as one that attempted to curb the agenda of Vatican II. Others, like journalist Michael Novak, believe that John Paul, with his awareness of the presence of the Holy Spirit, rescued the council. The book Christ, Church, Mankind notes John Paul’s ardent passion for Jesus Christ and his efforts to spread that passion as part of the vision of Vatican II. Based on a 2008 international assembly that studied his pontificate and its connection to Vatican II, the book points out that Karol Wojtyla’s beliefs about the family, women and motherhood positively influenced council documents. But it says little about the council’s particulars.

VATICAN II: FIFTY PERSONAL STORIES
Edited by William Madges and Michael J. Daley
Published by Orbis Books, $28

Dennis Doyle’s foreword to Vatican II: Fifty Personal Stories offers an insightful, clearly written “interpretive introduction” to Vatican II and to the 50 memoirs collected here. In one especially engaging memoir, Redemptorist Fr. Francis Xavier Murphy recounts using the pseudonym Xavier Rynne to protect himself from the Roman Curia, so he could cover the council for The New Yorker and let the world in on the council’s secrets. In another, Fr. Joseph Komonchak, professor emeritus of theology and religious studies at The Catholic University of America, notes somewhat wistfully that many of those involved in the tense drama of the council are deceased, while most Catholics today wonder what the fuss was about.

Was the council a power struggle between conservatives and liberals? Or were both sides trying to be faithful to the authentic and apostolic church as they understood it to be? These books offer no definitive answers to the questions. But after reading them, one can say that despite -- or because of -- being guided by the Holy Spirit, the council created such dissension that the church is still reeling from it.

Who would have thought that the approximately 2,500 bishops and cardinals who debated, wrote, revised and promulgated the documents of the 21st ecumenical council (as well as the good pope who convened it) could start a fight like the one that’s going on in the church today? Who indeed?

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New Books need to be written on Vatican Council II

 NEW BOOKS NEED TO BE WRITTEN ON VATICAN COUNCIL II WHICH DO NOT USE THE FALSE PREMISE TO INTERPRET THE COUNCIL. -Lionel Andrades

A trove of new books on Vatican II