Tuesday, November 5, 2019
Wu Gao Zhuang church : Chinese Catholics occupy church to prevent its demolition
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/chinese-catholics-occupy-churchpray-to-prevent-its-demolition
Times have changed. What a great time we live in. Fifty years after Vatican Council II liberals and traditionalists are united on the Council
Vatican Council II indicates most people on earth today go to Hell. Since, the Council says all need faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7). All. Most people die without it.
Vatican Council II is ecclesiocentric and not just Christological. Membership in the Church; with faith and baptism, is necessary for salvation(to avoid Hell).
For Michael Sean Winters, Massimo Faggioli and John Allen Jr., there are no personally known exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 in 2019. They do not ( and cannot) know any one saved outside the Church, saved without faith and baptism.A person saved would be in Heaven and known only to God.He or she would not be visible on earth.So for the correspondents of the National Catholic Reporter, Crux,Commonweal, Tablet and Catholic News Service there are no exceptions to Ad Gentes 7.In Vatican Council II LG 8, LG 14, LG 16,UR 3, NA 2,GS 22 etc are not exceptions also to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), for them.
Cindy Wooden, like her counterpart Phillip Pullela at Reuters, does not know any case of a non Catholic saved today with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance, with or without the baptism of water.So the Council indicates most people are going to Hell and Fr. James Martin, personally does not ( and cannot) know of any exception.
They would all be interpreting Vatican Council II like the traditionalist.
Brother Andre Marie MICM, who is not a sedevcantist or a schismatic who rejects Vatican Council II.The Council is Feeneyite for him. So he accepts it.
Times have changed. What a great time we live in. Fifty years after Vatican Council II liberals and traditionalists are united on the Council.-Lionel Andrades
Before the Jesuits write new books on Vatican Council II someone has to inform them that LG 8, LG 14,LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to hypothetical cases only in 2019 and they are not real and known non Catholics saved outside the Church. So Lumen Gentium does not contradict the past ecclesiology, LG 16 and GS 22 are not practical exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and there is nothing in Unitatis Redintigratio to contradict an ecumenism of return.
Before the Jesuits write new books on Vatican Council II someone has to inform them that LG 8, LG 14,LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to hypothetical cases only in 2019 and they are not real and known non Catholics saved outside the Church. So Lumen Gentium does not contradict the past ecclesiology, LG 16 and GS 22 are not practical exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus and there is nothing in Unitatis Redintigratio to contradict an ecumenism of return.
Jared Wicks sj, recently wrote a book on Vatican Council II which was reviewed by Michael Sean Winters for the National Catholic Reporter.No one cautioned Wicks. He made the commone mistake.-Lionel Andrades
These are great days- when I say that Michael Sean Winters and Massimo Faggioli interpret Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) like the traditionalist Brother Andre Marie MICM- and there is no denial from them.
These are great days- when I say that Michael Sean Winters and Massimo Faggioli interpret Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) like the traditionalist Brother Andre Marie MICM- and there is no denial from them.
When I say this I assume Faggioli and Winters will interpret the Council rationally and honestly.
As adult, responsible men they will not claim that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to real people in 2019, 'physical bodies' in Newton's time and space.This is a being honest.
They will not claim that all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church and that they personally know someone saved outside the Church. As humans, they would be honest.They do not know any one in 2019 saved without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7. LG 14).
They will not claim that the true Church of Christ subsists outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church and they know someone saved outside the Church, to contradict Brother Andre Marie's understanding of EENS. They do no know any such person. It's understood.
Physically, there cannot be any practical exception to EENS, the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return, whatever is the argument at the intellectual, theortical and speculative level of life.
So for Brother Andre Marie ther are no exceptions in Vatican Council II to the Syllabus of Errors of Pius IX.
Similarly Lumen Gentium does not contradict Unam Sanctam on outside the Church there is no salvation.
Vatican Council II does not contradict the ecclesiology of St.Robert Bellarmine.
However Vatican Council II interpreted according to Joseph Ratzinger is irrational and would have to contradict the ecclesiology of St. Robert Belamine and the missionaries of the 16th century.
November 4, 2019
When I say this I assume Faggioli and Winters will interpret the Council rationally and honestly.
As adult, responsible men they will not claim that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to real people in 2019, 'physical bodies' in Newton's time and space.This is a being honest.
They will not claim that all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church and that they personally know someone saved outside the Church. As humans, they would be honest.They do not know any one in 2019 saved without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7. LG 14).
They will not claim that the true Church of Christ subsists outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church and they know someone saved outside the Church, to contradict Brother Andre Marie's understanding of EENS. They do no know any such person. It's understood.
Physically, there cannot be any practical exception to EENS, the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return, whatever is the argument at the intellectual, theortical and speculative level of life.
So for Brother Andre Marie ther are no exceptions in Vatican Council II to the Syllabus of Errors of Pius IX.
Similarly Lumen Gentium does not contradict Unam Sanctam on outside the Church there is no salvation.
Vatican Council II does not contradict the ecclesiology of St.Robert Bellarmine.
However Vatican Council II interpreted according to Joseph Ratzinger is irrational and would have to contradict the ecclesiology of St. Robert Belamine and the missionaries of the 16th century.
November 4, 2019
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