Ralph Martin and Robert Fastiggi agree we cannot identify any exceptions to EENS and there are no visible cases of BOD,BOB and I.I but they will not comment on the salvation of non Catholics in Detroit

I wrote a piece on Ralph Martin and Robert Fastiggi, theologians at the Sacred Heart Major Seminary, Detroit, USA still having difficulty in interpreting magisterial documents with Feeneyism instead of their politically correct Cushingism.

I keep saying that invisible people cannot be visible exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and they seem to understand me.This is basic philosophical reasoning.We cannot see someone who is not there.In general we humans do not have this ability.So the Letter of the Holy Office (LOHO) 1949 made an objective mistake. 

They cite the Letter of the Holy Office 1949(LOHO) which the liberal theologians placed in the Denzinger and referenced in Vatican Council II.

O.K. So they made a mistake in LOHO and Vatican Council II. Invisible people are still invisible.It was an objective error in LOHO. It assumes unknown cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) are visible exceptions to EENS.
The popes, cardinals and bishops accept LOHO. So they they also make a mistake. Even a pope can violate the Principle of Non Contradiction.

The Magisterium cannot make a mistake and so the ecclesiastics were not magisterial on this issue.The Holy Spirit cannot teach Catholics that BOD, BOB and I.I refer to visible people. Or that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to known people saved outside the Church over the last 50 years.

In real life there are no visible exceptions to EENS, the past exclusivist ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.This is something obvious  and Martin and Fastiggi agree.But they understand the implications and are not commenting any further.They are unable to say that there are no practical exceptions to the past exclusivist understanding of salvation.There are no practical exceptions to an ecumenism of return. There are no practical exceptions in 2019 to Feeneyite EENS.

This could be a possible threat to their teaching job in Detroit.A Feeneyite on Vatican Council II and EENS may not be given permission to teach theology.The Archdiocese of Detroit like the present two popes, violates the Principle of Non Contradiction when they suggest unknown people are also visible examples of salvation in Heaven.So there is known salvation outside the Church in this way for them.Luther will be saved. The Muslims will be saved in Abu Dhabi without converting into the Catholic Church. The non Catholics in general in the Amazon will be saved and so there is no need for mission there.

Based upon the invisible people are visible and unknown non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church are known- irrationality there is inter religious dialogue in the Archdiocese of Detroit.It would also be part of Ralph Martin's ecumenism in the Charismatic Renewal Movement.

Robert Fastiggi cites Ludwig Otts Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma.But Ott accepted the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which was Cushingite. Invisible people were visible for Ott. People in Heaven were visible on earth was the LOHO reasoning and Ott did not contest it.It was only in this way the liberals could create a break with Tradition and Ott overlooked it just like Mons. Joseph Clifford Fenton, Fr. William Most and Fr. John Hardon.

I e-mailed Ralph Marin and Robert Fastiggi the following on August 5,2019 :-

Since we agree that we cannot identify any exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and there are no visible cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I),outside or within the Church, are you saying that in general, all non Catholics on earth in 2019 are oriented to Hell without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7) and they need to accept Jesus in the Catholic Church for salvation?

Since for me there are no exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation, Vatican Council II is saying that ll need to formally enter the Catholic Church with faith and baptism to avoid Hell ( for salvation). Would it be the same for you ?

Similarly since LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 2 etc in Vatican Council II refer to only hypothetical cases, we cannot identify such cases on earth; they are not real people in the present times,there is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict the Feeneyite interpretation of EENS ?

Then would you say that Fr. Leonard Feeney was correct and the Holy Office 1949 was wrong in the Letter of the Holy Office (LOHO), since LOHO assumed BOD, BOB and I.I were exceptions to Feeneyite EENS and criticized Fr. Leonard Feeney and the St.Benedict Center in the text of the Letter?

I am still waiting for their response.-Lionel Andrades

AUGUST 3, 2019

The Holy Spirit still guides Ralph Martin to say invisible cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are physically visible exceptions to the past exclusivist ecclesiology,an ecumenism of return and Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS)? This is false. How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake?

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/the-holy-spirit-still-guides-ralph.html

JULY 22, 2019

Ralph Martin and Scott Hahn

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/07/ralph-martin-and-scott-hahn.html

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JULY 24, 2017

Joint statement on Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite ) needed from Bishop Donald Sanborn and Prof. Robert Fastiggi and Ralph Martin https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/07/joint-statement-on-vatican-council-ii.html 

NOVEMBER 13, 2018

Ralph Martin and Robert Fastiggi, have to support heresy and sacrilege, to keep their teaching job https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/11/ralph-martin-and-robert-fastiggi-have.html

MARCH 18, 2019

Professors Robert Fastiggi, Ralph Martin and Phillip Blosser at the Sacred Heart Major Seminary, Detroit, USA agree with me : there are no objective cases of non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church in 2019. https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/03/professors-robert-fastiggi-ralph-martin.html

JUNE 20, 2016Prof.Phillip Blosser, a Professor of Philosophy at Musings of a Pertinacious Papist and Tancred at The Eponymous Flower agree with me : hypothetical cases (baptism of desire etc) cannot be explicit for us in 2016 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/06/profphillip-blosser-professor-of.html 

AUGUST 9, 2017For Ralph Martin,Robert Fastiggi and Phillip Blosser BOD etc refer to invisible cases but students at Detroit have to infer that they are visible http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/08/for-ralph-martinrobert-fastiggi-and.html

 

FEBRUARY 26, 2018 Ralph Martin, Fr.Gerald Collins, Eduardo Echeverria,Gavin D'Costa and others make an objective mistake in the Homilectic and Pastoral Review https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/02/ralph-martin-frgerald-collins-eduardo.html

AUGUST 5, 2017  Faculty and students at Sacred Heart Major Seminary, Detroit forced to use irrational Cushingism as a theology instead of Feeneyism: Michael Voris and CMTV also have to accept it   http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/08/faculty-and-students-at-sacred-heart.html

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All or Nothing: Sr. Clare Crockett (Full Movie)

 

The Bible only says that the baptism of water is necessary for salvation ( John 3:5) and it does not mention the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance.

The Bible only says that the baptism of water is necessary for salvation ( John 3:5) and it does not mention the baptism of desire (BOD), baptism of blood (BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I).

When the popes and saints mentioned BOD, BOB and I.I they were referring to speculative and theoretical cases. BOD, BOB and I.I cannot be anything else for us humans.

The liberal theologians and the popes from Paul VI interpreted these hypothetical cases as being real and known people, saved outside the Catholic Church.

So the popes over the centuries were Feeneyite( unknowable cases of BOD, BOB and I.I) and the popes from Paul VI were Cushingites ( personally known cases of BOD, BOB and I.I which were examples of salvation outside the Church).

Vatican Council II can be interpreted with Feeneyism or Cushingism and the conclusion is traditional or non traditional.But the Bible cannot be interpreted with Cushingism.Since there are no cases of BOD, BOB and I.I mentioned.-Lionel Andrades

 JULY 29, 2019

Bible supports the strict interpretation of the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/07/bible-supports-strict-interpretation-of.html

Judge who presided at Pell's appeal said there was a body of evidence that made it impossible to accept the victim's account

Pell loses his appeal

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Justice Weinberg, a former Federal Court judge who presided over the trial of Melbourne's Bourke Street killer James Gargasoulas last year, said there was a body of evidence that made it "impossible to accept" the victim's account.

"From ... the complainant’s evidence, it can be seen that there was ample material upon which his account could be legitimately subject to criticism. There were inconsistencies, and discrepancies, and a number of his answers simply made no sense," Justice Weinberg wrote in his judgment released on Wednesday.

https://gloria.tv/video/NJakodJxkKiq4zF87xRziuXup

Una Voce and the Latin Mass Societies continue to interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism as did the Roman Forum Gardone meeting recently : Gloria TV creates a rupture with Tradition and consider themselves traditionalists

Una Voce and the Latin Mass Societies continue to interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism.Traditionalists who attended the Roman Forum Gardone Riviera, Italy meeting recently also do not interpret Vatican Council II with Feeneyism.

The priests and lay staff at Gloria TV also assume unknown cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) are known exceptions to the traditional strict interpretation of EENS. So there is an EENS ( Cushingite) which has exceptions of BOD, BOB and I.I which has replaced an EENS( Feeneyite) in which BOD, BOB and I.I are not exceptions to EENS. 

Similarly LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II with Cushingism is a rupture with EENS( Feeneyite) but interpreted with Feeneyism i.e hypothetical cases are just hypothetical, are not a break with EENS( Feeneyite) and the rest of Tradition.

So with Feeneyism as a philosophy and theology Vatican Council II does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS( Feeneyite) and neither does LG 8 etc contradict Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.

Gloria TV, like the other traditionalists, support Cushingite theology and philosophy which creates a rupture with Tradition and then they call themselves traditionalists.

They will not affirm Feeneyite Vatican Council II and EENS which has the 'hermeneutic of continuity' with the past.

With Cushingism Gloria TV is also in a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed, past exclusive ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.Since with Cushingism there is alleged salvation outside the Church which is known in personal cases. So the exceptions emerge. Possibilities known only to God are assumed to be practical exceptions to EENS and so an artificial rupture with Tradition is created. Speculative cases are assumed to be real people in the present times saved outside the Church. This is the hallmark of Cushingism.

-Lionel Andrades

Pope Paul VI chose to interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism.This was a mistake.Now Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider are doing the same

Pope Paul VI chose to interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism.This was a mistake.Now Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider are doing the same.The same mistake was made by the apologists Ludwig Ott, Mons. Clifford Joseph Fenton and Fr. John Hardon.Fr. William Most and the EWTN apologists.

Now Cardinal Burke and Bishop Schneider can choose to interpret Vatican Council II with Feeneyism and ask the present two popes to do the same.

-Lionel Andrades

EU rejects UK request to scrap 'Irish backstop' provisions in Brexit accord