In
their latest video Bishop Athanasius Schneider and Dr. Taylor Marshall are telling Pope Francis
that all the books on Vatican Council II are written with a false premise and
in general they are obsolete.The bishop is taking the Church back to the pre-Pius
XII times and is re-interpreting Vatican Council II without the error of the
Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston.
The
message is that Traditionis Custode and the other Apostolic Letters of Pope
Francis are not apostolic, they are not Magisterial, in the sense , that they
were written with Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents,
interpreted irrationally. So a fake break with Tradition was created.
This
is such a change.In my parish they interpret Vatican Council II with the fake
premise like the popes since Paul VI.
They
also interpret extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) with the fake premise (
visible cases of the baptism of desire) like Pope John XXIII.
Will
Pope Francis now interpret Vatican Council II and other Church Documents
rationally ?Will he ask Cardinal Braz de Avez
to inform all religious communities to do the same?
Bishop Athanasius Schneider, at the beginning of the interview was asked about the New Theology. It was as if Taylor set him up for the break.
The
bishop responded by saying that we cannot judge if any one will be saved , or
is saved, with the baptism of desire. This is R.I.P for the New Theology. He
continued, as if all was normal, that, even if there are a few people saved with the baptism of desire, we
cannot know of them.So this would not restrict traditional Mission based upon
exclusive salvation.Evangelisation like at the time of St. Athanasius and the saints over the centuries.
There are no physically visible cases of the baptism of desire for us human beings was his message.But the New Theology is based upon there being physically visible cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance, all without the baptism of water and Catholic faith.
So new
exceptions emerged in the Church for EENS and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope
Pius IX ( ecumenism of return).The Apostles and Nicene Creed had a new
interpretation.The First Commandment was past-tense.The Great Commission
had alleged practical exceptions.
There
is known salvation outside the Church has been the accepted-theology of Pope
Benedict and Cardinal Ladaria , ever since they have been working together on
documents of the International Theological Commission.
Known- cases of the baptism of desire ? This not true. This is the message of the new
video.
Of
course there are no such cases. This is common sense.Even a non Catholic would agree.
But now with hypothetical-only cases of LG
8, lG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, how does Pope Francis tread ?
There are no practical exceptions any more, for the Athanasius Creed which says all need
Catholic faith for salvation. LG 14 no more contradicts the Creed.
We
return to the old theology of outside the Church there is no salvation. Boston
College was wrong and the St. Benedict Center was correct.The Jesuits owe an apology to the St. Benedict Centers. Fr. Leonard Feeney was correct. There are no physically visible cases of the baptism of desire.
But is Pope Francis willling to accept this? Or will he and the College of Cardinals
continue to use the fake premise ? There are two interpretations of Vatican Council II. One with LG 14 ( baptism of desire) referring to visible and invisible cases. But there is only one rational option for Catholics.
We are back to Tradition – even at the Novus Ordo Mass.-Lionel Andrades
AUGUST 26, 2021
Bishop Schneider and Dr. Taylor Marshall directly oppose Pope Francis on the New Theology : Vatican Council II is not a break with Tradition when the premise is rational
Bishop Schneider and Dr. Taylor Marshall directly oppose Pope Francis on the New Theology : Vatican Council II is not a break with Tradition when the premise is rational
There are no explicit cases of St. Thomas Aquinas’ “implicit baptism of desire”.
Bishop Athanasius Schneider and Dr.Taylor Marshall broke new ground in the Catholic Church.In their interview the other day they confirmed that there are no literal and visible cases of “implicit baptism of desire”.
There are no explicit cases of Catholics being saved outside the Church in 1965-2021.They are saying the obvious. There are no practical exceptions to Vatican Council II(AG 7). AG 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation.All.
We cannot see or meet someone saved or going to be saved, with the baptism of desire who has a postal code number in our locality or city.
There are no practical exceptions for ‘the norm for salvation’. The norm is ‘faith and baptism’(Ad Gentes 7).
This takes them on a head on collision course with Pope Francis and his interpretation of Vatican Council II with the New Theology. The New Theology says the baptism of desire refers to a visible case.Otherwise how could there be exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) ?
They have crashed with the Traditionis Custode understanding of the Council.
For Pope Francis, Lumen Gentium 14 ( baptism of desire ) refers to an exception to Feeneyite EENS.It is a break with EENS according to the missionaries of the 16th century.Vatican Council II was a rupture for the Council Fathers in 1965, Cardinal Cushing, Fr. Joseph Ratzinger, Fr. Karl Rahner, Fr. John Courtney Murray sj, Fr. Yves Congar op and Fr. Hans Kung sj.
So now we have :-
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own. (Lumen Gentium, 14)
Catechumens, while not fully members of the Church, are united to the Church in a special way (canon 206, 1183; Catechism 1249).
These catechumens are seen as implict and theoretical cases only .This is what Bishop Schneider is saying in the interview.
So now the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX on an ecumenism of return is not contradicted by Lumen Gentium 14.There are no practical exceptions mentioned in hypopthetical cases of Unitatis Redintigratio 3, Lumen Gentium 14 etc.Since they are always “implicit”. They exist only in our mind and not in Newton’s measurable time and space.
Bishop Schneider is refusing to interpret LG 14 with a false premise i.e what is invisible is assumed to be physically visible.Then a new theology is created upon this empirical error.
Pope Francis has to use the false premise to project Vatican Council II as a break with the Athanasius Creed ( all need Catholic faith for salvation).There is no liberalism without the false premise.
This was not known to Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. He saw the smoke originating from Vatican Council II but did not know the precise cause. He did not know where was the fire.Now we know.
Now we know.So why should Catholics interpret Vatican Council II like Pope Francis, Pope Benedict and Cardinal Luiz Ladaria and not like Bishop Schneider and Dr. Taylor Marshall. ?
The SSPX can accept and affirm Vatican Council II with Schneider’s rational premise. So they would be accepting Vatican Council II and Tradition.They would not be in schism.-Lionel Andrades
AUGUST 25, 2021
Bishop Schneider is one step away from saying that Vatican Council II does not contradict Tradition and the SSPX are no more in schism
"Is the SSPX in schism ?", Bishop Athanasius Schneider is asked.He does not answer it with respect to Vatcian Council II.
The mainline newspapers have often stated that the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) is in schism since they reject the ‘reforms’ or ‘revolution’ of Vatican Council II.
The issue is Vatican Council II. The SSPX have often said that they reject Vatican Council II.
Bishop Bernard Fellay the former Superior General of the SSPX has cited UR 3 and LG 16 as exceptions to the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church. The Council has always been seen as a break with Tradition and even Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre rejected it.
So the SSPX are said to be in schism.
But the glimmer of hope, for a change, is the statement Bishop Athanasius Schneider made in this video.In a sense it is historic. It opens the possibility of change which will be good news for the SSPX.
He has said that there are no literal cases of the baptism of desire. We cannot judge if someone will be saved with the baptism of desire outside the Church. Only God can know this if it happens.
He is saying that being saved with the baptism of desire refers to invisible cases in 2021.There are no cases in our reality.
Now the next step is for him to see LG 16 as also being invisible in 2021.We cannot see someone saved with invincible ignorance or a good conscience, outside the Church.
There are no such cases in our human reality.
The same could be said for UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 , LG 8 etc. So they cannot be practical exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which was a motivation for traditional mission.
So in this way he could say like me that Vatican Council II is dogmatic.It supports the dogma EENS and the Council is not a break with the Syllabus of Errors and traditional ecclesiocentrism.
It is then that the SSPX can fully affirm Vatican Council II and also Tradition. It does not have to be either-or.So then the charge of schism cannot be made against them.
The other point which needs to be clarified is that of the baptism of water. All need the baptism of water and also Catholic faith. Catholic faith is necessary for salvation says Vatican Council II(AG 7).Also the faith of the Catholic Church is necessary. So there must be a baptism of water and Catholic faith. The baptism of water is needed in the Catholic Church.
There are Christian denominations which have the baptism of water but approve mortal sins of faith, example, contraception, homosexual acts etc.So the baptism of water would be invalid over time.It would be the same in the Catholic Church. If someone is baptized but then commits mortal sins, he loses the Sanctifying Grace needed for salvation. This grace is restored in the Sacrament of Reconciliation.
Bishop Schneider has to specify that the baptism of water is needed in the Catholic Church. Since we cannot separate Jesus from His Mystical Body the Catholic Church.-Lionel Andrades
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