Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II with an irrational premise.There is no denial from the Vatican.The pope confuses what is subjective,implicit and hypothetical as being objective, explicit and real in real life. So for him there are real people in 1965-2019 who are saved outside the Catholic Church, according to LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2,GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II.It would probably be the same for Marta Cartabia, President of the Constitutional Court, Rome and members of the Judiciary at the Constitutional Court.Since she would have studied at educational institutions in Italy where they all affirm Vatican Council II with the false premise. No judge in Italy has corrected this error.
There is personally known salvation outside the Church for the present two popes ( even though there are no such cases in real life).They assume that there are people who have made it to Heaven without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7, LG 14) and they are visible and known-otherwise they would not be exceptions to exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. So the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation is rejected.
For the present two popes there are exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). There can only be exceptions, however, when there are personally known people.An exception has to be visible. A person who is not physically seen cannot be an example, of someone saved without 'faith and baptism'. These are 'zero cases' and they cannot be considered exceptions to the traditional teaching on the Church having exclusive salvation.This is the view of an Archbishop, a Rector of a Pontifical University in Rome, a lay apologist in the USA and many priests in Rome.
Yet these 'zero cases' are exceptions to EENS for the cardinals and bishops, including the cardinals associated with the Roma Rota.
Also there are exceptions to the past exclusivist ecclesiology and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX, for Pope Francis and Pope Benedict.
Also there are exceptions in Vatican Council II to the past exclusivist ecclesiology, for the judges, canonists, lawyers and Vatican Tribunal workers , who have had their common religious formation at pontifical universities and Catholic schools.
The popes and judges are saying that unknown cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood( BOD) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) are known exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.
The popes and judges are saying invisible cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are visible exceptions to 16th century EENS as it was known to the missionaries and Magisterium of that time.
This is an objective mistake.
The error needs to be corrected and Vatican Council II re-interpreted.
So it was no surprise that when Pope Francis visited a school he told the children that the Catholic Church today teaches that Jews and Muslims do not need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell ( see video).Since for him and Pope Benedict LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc are practical exceptions to the past ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return and 16th century EENS.
This would also be the understanding of the children at schools visited by Marta Cartabia as Vice President of the Constitutional Court.(See video)
There can be tolerance for people of all faiths without changing the teachings of the Catholic Church with a false premise.
The popes since Paul VI have chosen not to interpret LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc as referring to only implicit, subjective and hypothetical cases.This would be rational. This is how I interpret the Council.
For me, in general the popes and the Italian judiciary are making a mistake on Vatican Council II and they need to correct the error.Since an injustice is being done to Catholic religious, men and women, who have a vocation to the religious life but do not interpret the Council irrationally and so there is no rupture with Tradition.
This is an empirical error, a human error and not theology.However a false new theology is created based upon this error and it has spread throughout the Church.It is official and is used as a category for admission in the Law Faculty of La Sapienza.Students have to accept a new moral and faith theology based and the false interpretation of Vatican Council II.
For me Lumen Gentium, Unitatitis Redintigratio, Nostra Aetate, Ad Gentes etc in their entire text, are not exceptions to the traditional ecclesiocentric ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return and 16th century EENS.
The ecclesiology in the Catholic Church is the same before and after Vatican Council II. For me, in general the popes and the Italian judiciary are making a mistake on Vatican Council II and they need to correct the error.
Since an injustice is being done to Catholic seminarians for example, who are not allowed to study at Catholic institutions when they do not interpret the Council with the irrational premise to create an artificial rupture with Tradition.-Lionel Andrades
DECEMBER 24, 2019
TERMS CLARIFIED
BOD( Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved and now in Heaven)
BOB (Baptism of Blood. The case of unknown person who is in Heaven as a martyr without the baptism of water)
I.I (Invincible ignorance: The case of an unknown non Catholics who is in Heaven without faith and baptism and instead in invincible ignorance.)
LG 8 ( Lumen Gentium 8: The case of the unknown person saved outside the Church with 'elements of sanctification and truth' or where the true Church of Christ allegedly subsists.
LG 14 (Lumen Gentium 14: Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved and now in Heaven)
LG 16 ( Lumen Gentium 16: The case of the unknown person saved outside the Church in invincible ignorance and who is now in Heaven without faith and the baptism of water)
UR 3 (Unitatitis Redintigratiio 3, Vatican Council II : The case of the unknown Christian, who is saved in his religions without Catholic faith or the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and is allegedly known to someone on earth who has seen him or her in Heaven).
NA 2( Nostra Aetate 2: The case of the unknown non Catholic saved outside the Catholic Church without faith and baptism. He or she is saved with good and holy things in other religion or with the a ray of that Truth which enlightens all mankind.
GS 22 (Gaudium et Specs 22. The case of the unknown non Catholic who is saved outside the Catholic Church. He or she is saved without faith and baptism but with goodwill.
FALSE PREMISE DEFINED
Their false premise is:-
1. Invisible people are visible.
2.Unknown case of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are personally known.
3.The unknown case of the catechumen who desired the baptism of water but dies before he received it and is saved, is a personally known person.
4.There is known salvation outside the Catholic Church for us human beings.
5.We can see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water.
6.We can physically see non Catholics in Heaven and on earth who are saved without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).
7.There are non Catholics who are dead- men visible and walking who are saved outside the Church.
8.There are known people in invincible ignorance through no fault of their own, who are saved.
9.There are some Anglicans and Protestants whom we know who are going to Heaven even though they are outside the Catholic Church.
10.There are some non Catholics whom we know, who are dead, and now are in Heaven, even though they were not Catholic.
With the false premise there are 'objective exceptions' to EENS. There are visible exceptions to the Athanasius Creed, the Nicene Creed is changed, there is a new understanding of the Nicene Creed etc :-
1. The Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation is contradicted.
2. The Nicene Creed in which we say, 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' over the centuries referred to only one known baptism, the baptism of water.The baptism of desire etc cannot be given to someone like the baptism of water.But now the understanding is ' I believe in three or more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins ( desire,blood and ignorance) and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church'.
3. The Apostles Creed says ' we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church'. Over the centuries it was understood that the Holy Spirit guided the Catholic Church and taught that there was no salvation outside the Church.Now unknown cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, and LG 8, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, are assumd to be objective examples of salvation outside the Church.
4.In the past three Church Councils defined the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) in the extraordinary Magisterium .It was an 'infallible teaching' for Pope Pius X( Letter of the Holy Offie 1949).Now it is obsolete with their being alleged known salvation outside the Church.
5.Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are interpreted with the false premise so they become a rupture with EENS( Feeneyite), the Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc.
5.Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are interpreted with the false premise so they become a rupture with EENS( Feeneyite), the Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc.
6.With the false premise the Catechism of Pope Pius X contradict itself. It affirms the strict interpretation of EENS while invincible invincible ignorance is intepreted as referring to personally known non Catholics saved outside the Chuch.Invincible ignorance is not seen as a hypothetical case only.
7.Redemptoris Missio, Dominus Iesus, Ecclesia in Asia, Balamand Declaration etc were all written upholding the false premise. They did not support exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. So in a subtle way they contradicted EENS(Feeneyite), the Athanasius Creed etc. They did not support the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.They are Christological without the traditional ecclesiocentric ecclesiology. It's Christ without the necessity of membership in the Catholic Church for salvation.8. Traditional mission based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church is rejected. Since with the false premise, there is salvation outside the Church.
9.Inter faith marriages which are not Sacraments are common held.It is no more adultery. Since the non Catholic spouse could be saved outside the Church it is assumed. A posibility which could only be known to God is assumed to be a practical exception to EENS and a literally known case of salvation outside the Church in a personal case.
10. There is a new heretical ecclesiology at Holy Mass in all the rites and liturgies. The Latin Mass today does not have the same exclusivist ecclesiology of the Tridentine Rite Mass of the missionaries in the 16th century.
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