Wednesday, May 26, 2021
So they all continue to reject EENS with alleged exceptions.This is a new doctrine in the Church which is also approved by the Society of St. Pius X and the sedevacantists
Since 1949 the Catholic Church has been interpreting extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) with a false premise. The mistake was made with the baptism of desire(BOD) and invincible ignorance(I.I) in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949(LOHO).They(BOD and I.I) were confused as being physically visible cases. Then they were projected as exceptions to the traditional strict interpretation of EENs.
Yesterday Fr. John Zuhlsdorf wrote about BOD without mentioning Feeneyite EENS.He rejects Feeneyite EENS since the BOD is an exception to EENS for him. Also since it is politically correct with the Left.
BOD becomes an exception to EENS for him since it refers to a physically visible person, a non Catholic, saved outside the Church without faith and the baptism of water.
If it was an invisible case it would not be an exception.
This is the false reasoning of the International Theological Commission, Vatican and the popes, cardinals and bishops.
So they all continue to reject EENS with alleged exceptions.This is a new doctrine in the Church which is also approved by the Society of St. Pius X and the sedevacantists. -Lionel Andrades
MAY 25, 2021
Prudent Fr. John Zuhlsdorf
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/05/ask-father-can-i-baptize-myself-posted.html
Reciting the Apostles and Nicene Creed knowingly with a false premise is a mortal sin ?
Reciting the Apostles and Nicene Creed knowingly with a false premise is a mortal sin ? - Lionel Andrades
Pope Francis changes the ecclesiology of the Church with a false premise and then offers Holy Mass today and tomorrow
Pope Francis changes the ecclesiology of the Church with a false premise and then offers Holy Mass today and tomorrow. - Lionel Andrades
Rank and file German Catholics need to inform their bishops that they are wrongly using the false premise to interpret Vatican Council II. Even a school boy in Bavaria would know that they have made a mistake
Rank and file German Catholics need to inform their bishops that they are wrongly using the false premise to interpret Vatican Council II. Even a school boy in Bavaria would know that they have made a mistake. - Lionel Andrades
Mons.Guido Pozzo saw Vatican Council II as having the hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition but he was using the false premise.So how could there be a continuity ?
Mons.Guido Pozzo saw Vatican Council II as having the hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition but he was using the false premise.So how could there be a continuity ? - Lionel Andrades
The Superior General of the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) could admit that their Doctrinal Talks with the Vatican, during the pontifical of Pope Benedict, were based upon the false premise. Both sides interpreted Vatican Council II with the false premise instead of the rational alternative
The Superior General of the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) could admit that their Doctrinal Talks with the Vatican, during the pontifical of Pope Benedict, were based upon the false premise. Both sides interpreted Vatican Council II with the false premise instead of the rational alternative. - Lionel Andrades
The Latin Mass is offered by priests who interpret Vatican Council II irrationally
The Latin Mass is offered by priests who interpret Vatican Council II irrationally. - Lionel Andrades
Fr.Hans Kung sj and Fr. Nicholas Gruner 's writings on Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus were based on the false premise.
Fr.Hans Kung sj and Fr. Nicholas Gruner 's writings on Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus were based on the false premise.Hard reality. - Lionel Andrades
With the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Magisterial documents, after Vatican Council II, theology is back on an even keel in the Catholic Church
We don't have unity in the Catholic Church. There is Pope Francis' version of Vatican Council II and mine. So when the popes refer to Vatican Council II it is understood that it has to be rejected. Since there is a rational option available. -Lionel Andrades
Can the present two popes who do not use the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II still be popes? De facto yes.But they would be schismatic, heretical, non Magisterial and non traditional.Since they would use the false premise.
Can the present two popes who do not use the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II still be popes? De facto yes.But they would be schismatic, heretical, non Magisterial and non traditional.Since they would use the false premise to interpret Magisterial documents. This can be avoided with a rational premise, inference and traditional conclusion. -Lionel Andrades
MAY 26, 2021
Questions and Answers about the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/05/questions-and-answers-about-lionel.html
MAY 24, 2021
Now we know that we can affirm Vatican Council II without the political version of the liberals, Lefebvrists and Thucs. We stay clear of Pope Francis and Cardinal Burke, the SSPX and St. Benedict Center. Who is left(no pun intended)?Lionel's blog of course.The interpretation of Lionel Andrades. This is reality today
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/05/now-we-know-that-we-can-affirm-vatican.html
MAY 21, 2021
Pope Paul VI was not Magisterial on Vatican Council II since he used the false premise instead of the rational option.Pope Francis can correct the error
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/05/pope-paul-vi-was-not-magisterial-on.html
MAY 20, 2021
When Pope Francis says that every one needs to accept Vatican Council II, it can not be with his interpretation which is non Magisterial with a fake premise.The only rational interpretation of the Council is the LA interpretation https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/05/when-pope-francis-says-that-every-one.html
Fake premise
Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.
Fake inference
They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.
Fake conclusion
Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.
Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.
Rational Premise
LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.
Rational Inference
They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.
Rational Conclusion
Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.
The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-Lionel Andrades
Lionel Andrades
Promoter of the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II.
Catholic lay man in Rome,
Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.
It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.There can be two interpretations.
Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, non traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional ?
Blog: Eucharist and Mission
E-mail: lionelandrades10@
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Questions and Answers about the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE LIONEL ANDRADES INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II
What's so special about the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II ?
Ir does not use the common fake premise.It's a simple, rational and different way to read Vatican Council II.
What's so special about the Lionel Andrades interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS)?
It does not use the common false premise to interpret the baptism of desire(BOD), invincible ignorance(I.I) and the baptism of blood(BOB).So there are no practical exceptions for EENS.EENS is traditonal and BOD, BOB and I.I are interpreted rationally.It's not EENS or BOB,BOB and I.I. Since the latter are not exceptions for the former.
Is the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Magisterial documents copy writed or trademarked? No. Any one can use it. There is no charge.It is simply going back to the traditiional interpretation of Church documents, without the false premise. The false premise came into the Church in a big way, with the Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr. Leonard Feeney(1949).
How did the Lionel Andrades interpretation of VC 2 emerge?
He kept writing on his blog on EENS and then discovered that Vatican Council II does not really contradict EENS if the false premise is avoided.
Is the LA interpretation of VC2 a new theology?
No. It is going back to the old, traditional theology of the Catholic Church by avoiding the false premise.It is the false premise which has created the New Theology.Without the false premise there cannot be the New Ecumenism, New Evangelisation, New Ecclesiology etc.The New Theology is Cristocentric without the past ecclesiocentrism of the Church.Since exceptions were created to EENS, the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors etc, by projecting a false premise.The error was overlooked by the popes.-Lionel Andrades
Fake premise
Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.
Fake inference
They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.
Fake conclusion
Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.
Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.
Rational Premise
LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.
Rational Inference
They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.
Rational Conclusion
Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.
The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-Lionel Andrades
Lionel Andrades
Promoter of the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II.
Catholic lay man in Rome,
Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.
It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.There can be two interpretations.
Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, non traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional ?
Blog: Eucharist and Mission
E-mail: lionelandrades10@
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