It is Vatican Council II which is part of the seismic shift. It has changed before our very eyes ( Graphics )

 

 

 

 



 

 

 

- Lionel Andrades

FEBRUARY 9, 2019

The red is not an exception to the blue' : new extraordinary understanding of Vatican Council II

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/the-red-is-not-exception-to-blue-new.html

FEBRUARY 9, 2019

Professor Roberto dei Mattei is really saying outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation and in Heaven there are only Catholics according to Vatican Council II (AG 7-blue passages) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 (AG 7-blue passages)

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/professor-roberto-dei-mattei-is-really.html

Professor Roberto dei Mattei is really saying outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation and in Heaven there are only Catholics according to Vatican Council II (AG 7-blue passages) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 (AG 7-blue passages)

Professor Roberto dei Mattei has affirmed the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) 1.
 It is a dogma of faith proclaimed by the Fourth Lateran Council, under Innocent III, that “there is indeed one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which absolutely no one can be saved.”
 He acknowledges being saved in invincible ignorance  and says that a person in this state cannot be sure of himself.
 The principle “nulla salus extra Ecclesiam” does not exclude from salvation those who are outside the Church as a result of invincible error, but they are ordered to her at least through an implicit desire. However, they lack the assurance of salvation and the ordinary means to attain it. This truth of faith was confirmed by Gregory XVI (Mirari Vos of August 15, 1832); Pius IX (Singulari quidem, of March 17, 1856 to the bishops of Austria); and Leo XIII (Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896), among others.

Professor Mattei personally does not know any one in particular saved outside the Church in invincible ignorance.Since obviously if there was such a case it would only be known to God.

So he is affirming the passages in blue in magisterial documents  while hypothetical cases of invincible ignorance etc, marked in red, cannot be objective exceptions.They are personally unknown to us.They do not exist in our reality in 2019.Invisible non Catholics cannot be visible examples of salvation outside the Church.So they are not practical exceptions to EENS and all needing to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation.Literally we do not know of any exceptions.

So there are no exceptions to EENS mentioned in magisterial documents (Vatican Council II etc) for Professor Roberto dei Mattei.

He affirms EENS, the Syllabus of Errors and an ecumenism of return based on Vatican Council II ( AG 7 - blue passages) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 ( AG 7- blue passages).

The red passages in LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are not practical exceptions to AG 7( blue passages) . They are not examples of objective people saved outside the Catholic Church.Instead they are theoretical possibilities, speculative cases and unknown people.

So this would be a new way of reading Vatican Council II for Professor Mattei.

The Council would no more be a rupture with Tradition ( EENS, Syllabus of Errors etc).Instead the Council supports Tradition( ecumenism of return, past exclusive ecclesiology etc).

So all non Catholics need to enter the Church as members for salvation( dogma EENS, Catechism of Pope Pius X etc) and there are no  exceptions in the red passages of Vatican Council II.
So Professor Mattei would now be saying outside the Church there is no salvation, there are unknown cases of being saved in  invincible ignorance-as there are unknown cases of being saved referenced in LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, and all need to be members of the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.So for him, in Heaven there are only Catholics and most people on earth go to Hell, since  they die outside the Catholic Church, without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7, LG 14).
So traditional mission is important.Since all Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, atheists and other non Christians are oriented to the fires of Hell ( CDF, Notification on Fr. Jacques Dupuis sj n.7). 
Similarly all Orthodox Christian, Protestants, Pentecostals and Evangelical Christians are outside the Catholic Church, Jesus' Mystical Body, similar to a Catholic who believes in Jesus but dies in mortal sin.
-Lionel Andrades




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 February 7, 2019
For Professor Roberto dei Mattei invincible ignorance is not an objective exception to the dogma EENS since obviously there are no cases of salvation in invincible ignorance, which can be personally known to us human beings.

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/for-professor-roberto-dei-mattei.html

The red is not an exception to the blue' : new extraordinary understanding of Vatican Council II

 

The red is not an exception to the blue' : new extraordinary understanding of Vatican Council II

We have a dramatic, extraordinary and new understanding of Vatican Council II which was always there before our very eyes but no one noticed it.Or if they did, they kept quiet.

The 50- year- old stereotypes of  Vatican Council II being a revolution etc are over.

'The red is not an exception to the blue'. This is the new code.It is the hidden clue.

The old one was 'The red is an exception to the blue'.

Everything hinges on this.

The New Theology was based upon the red being a rupture with the orthodox blue.

We now know that the red passages are hypothetical. Always hypothetical.

They are only possibilities, theoretical and speculative.

They do not refer to personally known people in 2018-2019.

'Zero cases of something cannot be exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS)' confirms John Martignoni , the apologist at EWTN.Archbishop Thomas E Gullickson papal nuncio to Switzerland and Liechtenstein and Fr.Stefano Visintin osb, theologian-physicist and rector of the University of St. Anselm, Rome - AGREE WITH HIM.

The passages in red are 'zero cases'.

They do not contradict the past exclusive ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return. The Council is no more a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX or the teaching on all needing to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation ( Catechism of Pope Pius X ).

The red never was an exception to the blue.But this was how the liberals and ecclesiastics interpreted the Council  and the conservatives and traditionalists, wrongly followed.

Now we know that the blue is no more contradicted by red passages in Lumen Gentium 8 as was suggested by Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj, at the Placquet Deo , Press conference ( March 1, 2018).

The blue passages  and EENS are no more contradicted by the red passages in LG 16 and GS 22 of Vatican Council II. This was a mistake Pope Benedict and Cardinal Ladaria made in two papers of the International Theological Commission, Vatican.They were wrong and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston was correct.

Fr. Leonard Feeney was saying that there are no literal cases of the baptism of desire(LG 14) etc. The red does not refer to literal cases and so could not have been practical exceptions, or even relevant, to EENS.

This means our entire understanding of Vatican Council II has changed. Move over Bugnini and Bea. The Council has gone back to 'the pre-Vatican Council II times'. The 'Conciliar Church' today is traditional and Feeneyite.This is a whopper for the prudent and politically correct within the Church.

It is Vatican Council II which is part of the seismic shift  and it is not just going back to Tradition and EENS.The Council has changed before our very eyes.

'The red is not an exception to the blue.' I like that sound.

'The red is not an exception to the blue'. Mama mia! Everything has changed. This is unbelievable!.

-Lionel Andrades

 

January 28, 2019

In Magisterial documents the red is not an exception to the blue, the red does not contradict the blue : with the blue there is a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition (16th- century extra ecclesium nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors, ecumenism of return, past exclusivist ecclesiology etc) 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/in-magisterial-documents-red-is-not.html

 

February 4, 2019

Nei documenti magistrali il rosso non è un'eccezione al blu, il rosso non contraddice il blu: con il blu c'è un'ermeneutica di continuità con la Tradizione (extra ecclesium nulla salus del 16 ° secolo , Sillabo degli Errori di Pio IX, ecumenismo del ritorno, esclusivista ecclesiologia ecc. ) 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/nei-documenti-magistrali-il-rosso-non-e.html