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Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke must ask Pope Francis and Archbishop Victor Manuel Fernandez if Catholics must continue to interpret Vatican Council II, the Creed, Councils and Catechisms irrationally and not rationally as part of the ‘unique charism’ of Pope Francis.

 

Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke must ask Pope Francis and Archbishop Victor Manuel Fernandez if Catholics must continue to interpret Vatican Council II, the Creed, Councils and Catechisms irrationally and not rationally as part of the ‘unique charism’ of Pope Francis.

Similarly Cardinal Robert Sarah could ask if at every liturgy, Vatican Council II is to be interpreted irrationally and not rationally and this would be the new Magisterium?

Wikipedia, Alberto Melloni’s FSCIRE ( Bologna School) , Reuters and the New York Times must continue to interpret LG 8, LG 14,LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc as being objective and not hypothetical cases in 2023 ? This is how they are presently interpreting LG 8 etc. There is no denial from the FSCIRE, NYT or even the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX).This is considered Magisterial by Pope Francis?

Consider these examples: 1) If there are seven patients in a TB sanatorium and one is cured then he is an exception there, not only because he is different but because he exists there in that ward. If he was not there he would not be an exception.

If there is an apple in a box of oranges then the apple is an exception in that box since it is different. If it was not there it would not be an exception. An invisible apple cannot be an exception.

Now we know that there are no visible cases of someone being saved, as referred to, in LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc. There are no such cases in our human reality. If anyone was saved as such it would only be known to God. So how can LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, be examples of salvation outside the Church? How can they be exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS)? Invisible cases cannot be visible exceptions for the Athanasius Creed which says all need to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation. This is the exclusivist message also of the old Catechisms which are not contradicted by LG 8 etc, for me.

So for me there is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.

When we are back to the past exclusivist ecclesiology, there can be no New Ecumenism, New Ecclesiology, New Theology, New Evangelization, New Canon Law etc. Since the New Theology is based upon there being known salvation outside the Church, personally visible exceptions for the dogma EENS. The dogma EENS was made obsolete by confusing what is invisible as being visible.

So we are back to the old theology, with the old faith and morals. There is no denial from the FSCIRE, SSPX etc. There is no denial from the new Prefect of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith. They agree with me. -Lionel Andrades