France, Germany, Poland, Hungary... need to re-interpret Vatican Council II rationally : USA and Britain also must use the rational premise

 

taylormarshall.com/2020/02/375-bp-athanasius-schneider-dr-taylor-marshall-discuss-theology-liturgy-podcast.html

AUGUST 31, 2021

Pope Francis is in schism with the past Magisterium which did not interpret the baptism of desire as being a literal case. So for them there were no exceptions to the traditionalist exclusivist ecclesiology.Bishop Athanasius Schneider told Dr. Taylor Marshall in an interview that there are no literal cases of the baptism of desire.This is a complete U-turn with the common interpretation of Vatican Council II(LG 14 etc).

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/pope-francis-is-in-schism-with-past.html

AUGUST 31, 2021

Pope Benedict has always supported the German Synod with his irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II. Bishop Athanasius Schneider and Dr. Taylor Marshall have overturned the interpretation. For the German bishops Lumen Gentium 14( the baptism of desire) is an exception to traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus. For Schneider and Marshall it is not

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/pope-benedict-has-always-supported.html

AUGUST 30, 2021

Pope Benedict needs to be honest and apologize to the Society of St. Pius X(SSPX)

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/pope-benedict-needs-to-be-honest-and_30.html

AUGUST 29, 2021

Bishop Athanasius Schneider and Dr. Taylor Marshall say there are no literal cases of the baptism of desire but the German Synodal path is based upon there being literal cases of the baptism of desire (LG 14) in the present times

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/bishop-athanasius-schneider-and-dr_29.html

Lionel Andrades

Promoter of the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II.Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only pastoral.

Catholic lay man in Rome,

Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.

It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.There can be two interpretations.

Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, non traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional ?

Blog: Eucharist and Mission (eucharistandmission )

E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/bishop-athanasius-schneider-and-dr_28.html

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 AUGUST 8, 2021

This is official schism, ecclesiastic schism. Pope Francis and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith must issue a correction and admit they are wrong

We have a pope in schism since he uses a false premise, instead of a rational one, to interpret Vatican Council II and so create a false break with Tradition. With the false premise, exceptions are created for the Athanasius Creed ( all need Catholic faith for salvation), the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus( with no exceptions) and the Syllabus of Errors with no exceptions.This is official schism with the past Magisterium.It is created by confusing hypothetical cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II as being non hypothetical but objective examples of salvation outside the Church, when such cases do not exist in our reality and can only be known to God.

How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake and confuse what is invisible as being visible, implicit as being explicit and hypothetical as being objective ? It means non Catholics saved in Heaven, allegedly outside the Catholic Church; without faith and the baptism of water, are also visible on earth for them to be practical exceptions to the past ecclesiocentrism of the Church.They are in two places at the same time i.e in Heaven and on earth and are physically visible ? If they were not physically visible there could not be exceptions for EENS, the Creed and the Syllabus of Errors.

This is official schism, ecclesiastic schism. Pope Francis and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith must issue a correction and admit they are wrong. – Lionel Andrades

AUGUST 7, 2021

Pope Francis is in schism-Vatican Council II is being interpreted with a fake premise to create a fake rupture with Tradition . Traditionis Custode also imposes the error : The error needs to be corrected with the rational premise

 

POPE FRANCIS IS IN SCHISM - VATICAN COUNCIL II IS BEING INTERPRETED WITH A FAKE PREMISE TO CREATE A FAKE RUPTURE WITH TRADITION: TRADITIONIS CUSTODE ALSO IMPOSES THE ERROR : THE ERROR NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED WITH THE RATIONAL PREMISE.

Pope Francis was in schism at the National Cathechectical Center, Italy (Jan 30,2021) when he said that Vatican Council II had to be accepted as he interpreted it i.e with a fake premise.He said that his interpretation of Vatican Council II( with the fake premise) which produces a rupture with the past Magisterium- was Magisterial.
He reiterated that the interpretation of the Council with the false premise, which produces a rupture with the Athansius Creed( all need Catholic faith for salvation),changes the meaning of the Nicene and Apostles Creed( we believe in three known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins which exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church hence there are exceptions for EENS), and a re-interpretation of the Catechisms – was the Magisterium.
This is schism since with the irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II there is a break with ‘the true Church’ represented by the Creeds, Catechisms, dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and other Magisterial documents intepreted rationally.
To reject the Athanasius Creed and change the understanding of the Nicene and Apostles Creed, is first class heresy, in the hierarchy of truths of Pope John Paul II(Ad Tuendum Fidem). It is schism in the Church.

This is a scandal.Pope Francis needs to go for Confession and recant.

He could announce that he interprets Vatican Council II with the rational premise, inference and traditional conclusion and so there is no schism with the past Magisterium, the popes and saints on doctrine and dogma.In particular there is no break with the past ecclesiocenterism of the Catholic Church.
In this way Pope Francis would return to the past ecclesiocentric ecclesiology without rejecting Vatican Council II, interpreted with the rational premise.
Pope Francis says in the Letter which accompanies Traditionis Custode :

A recent stage of this dynamic was constituted by Vatican Council II where the Catholic episcopate came together to listen and to discern the path for the Church indicated by the Holy Spirit. To doubt the Council is to doubt the intentions of those very Fathers who exercised their collegial power in a solemn manner cum Petro et sub Petro in an ecumenical council, and, in the final analysis, to doubt the Holy Spirit himself who guides the Church.- Letter of Pope Francis which accompanies Traditionis Custode.

https://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/letters/2021/documents/20210716-lettera-vescovi-liturgia.html

Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise to create a false rupture with Tradition and he calls it the work of the Holy Spirit.
How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake and use a false premise to interpret LG 14( baptism of desire) and LG 16( invincible ignorance),for example ?
For me LG 14 and LG 16 refer to hypothetical and theoretical cases always. They are always speculative and not real people saved outside the Church in the present times, 1965-2021. This is something obvious.

How can LG 14, LG 16 etc be exceptions to EENS, the Athanasius Creed and Syllabus of Errors ? Yet this is how he interprets Vatican Council II and it is different from the rational way I interpret the Council.I consider the interpretation of Vatican Council II with the rational premise Magisterial, since it is not a rupture with the past Magisterium. Pope Francis cannot say the same.

EIGHTY TWO YEARS BACK

Eighty two years back Pope Pius XII allowed doctrine and dogma to be changed in the Catholic Church in exchange for peace and security. He did not defend Fr. Leonard Feeney and allowed the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to say that unknown cases of the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance were known exceptions to the centuries old strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). EENS was based upon the Bible teachings in John 3:5 and Mark 16:16.
So the New Theology was outside the Church there is salvation.

This meant the teachings on ecumenism, other religions, Social Reign of Christ the King in all political legislation and exclusive salvation would have to change.The Zionists could be present in 1960-1965 at Vatican Council II.The Church had surrendered.
Then non Catholics were allowed to be professors at the pontifical universities in Rome, beginning with the John Lateran University.

In 1949, the time of surrender, the popes Benedict, John Paul II and Francis were young.They became cardinals in a Church, which was separated from the State because of a change in doctrine in 1949.
Now if that doctrine is restored to its original, with a rational premise, we have an ecumenism of return, 16th century EENS, the Social Reign of Christ the King in all political legislatioin and the non separation of Church and State based on the there being exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. So the priority would be that all be formal members of the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.
It means we do not not reject Vatican Council II but re interpret it in harmony with the pre-1949 Catholic Churh. We undo what was lost 82 years back.The Council is no more an ally of the liberals.
With the error Pope Francis and the liberals and even traditionalists are maintaining division in the Church.

JOHN HENRY WESTON AND SBC AND SSPX

John Henry Weston had a good program recently on the subject outside the Church there is no salvation .He can now work for creating unity in the Catholic Church but also answer if Pope Francis is in public schism.
The Society of St. Pius X(SSPX) accepts extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) with exceptions and the St. Benedict Centers(SBC) accept EENS with no exceptions.Both groups are Catholic.
For the SSPX, the baptism of desire(BOD) and invincible ignorance (I.I) are exceptions for EENS and for the SBC they are not exceptions.
If you discuss this issue with either of them they will go into their specific theology, defending the founders of their communities.

How can we create unity betweem these two groups ? One of them has to be wrong on doctrine.Similarly Pope Francis or I am in error on this issue.

The SSPX will cite the present two popes who project the BOD and I.I as exceptions to EENS. The SBC will cite the past popes, many of them, who did not project BOD and I.I as exceptions to EENS.
Now after Vatican Council II(1965) and the Fr. Leonard Feeney case in Boston (1949) we know that there are no physically visible cases of the BOD and I.I in our reality.We cannot see or meet any one saved outside the Church with BOD and I.I. So BOD and I.I could not have been practical exceptions to EENS in 1949 or 1965.Someone made a mistake.
It was only be confusing what was speculative (BOD and I.I) as being non speculative and objective, that practical exceptions ( visible cases of being saved with BOD and I.I) were created for EENS.In this way the past ecclesiocentrism of the Church was made obsolete.Ths is the point that John Henry Weston, Editor in Chief at Life Site News, must bring out in questions and discussions with the SSPX and SBC.

It will have a direct bearing on how he personally will interprets Vatican Council II.Will LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II be exceptions for EENS or will they not be exceptions, for him ?

Is Pope Francis rational or irrational on Vatican Council II ? Is there schism or no schism ? What does he think?. The interpretation of Vatican Council II by Peter Kwasniewski, Fr.John Zuhlsdorf and Michael Matt is also schismatic and so is the interpretation of the FSSP and SSPX.So they overlook the schism of Pope Francis, when he also interprets the Council with an irrational premise,to create a calculated break with Tradition( EENS, Athanasius Creed, Syllabus of Errors etc) and the traditionalists and liberals do the same. -Lionel Andrades

AUGUST 6, 2021

When Archbishop Augustine di Noia interprets Vatican Council II with the common false premise it is not Magisterial. The Holy Spirit cannot confuse hypothetical cases as being objective and visible in the present times (2021) and then reject Tradition, exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church, the Creeds, Catechisms,EENS etc. This is a type of official apostasy.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/vatican-city-cns-pope-francis-letter.html

 AUGUST 5, 2021

Repost : Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise to create a false rupture with Tradition and he calls it the work of the Holy Spirit, in the Letter which accompanies Traditionis Custode.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/repost-pope-francis-interprets-vatican.html

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 AUGUST 28, 2019

Bradley Eli, M.Div., Ma.Th interprets Vatican Council II with an irrational premise to create a non traditional and heretical conclusion and wants the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) to do the same

Bradley Eli, M.Div., Ma.Th interprets Vatican Council II with an irrational premise to create a non traditional and heretical conclusion and he wants the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) to do the same.

POPE FRANCIS: SSPX MUST ACCEPT VATICAN COUNCIL II AND THE NEW MASS

by Bradley Eli, M.Div., Ma.Th.  •  ChurchMilitant.com  •  July 5, 2017    

CDL. MÜLLER: "ON MAY 20, 2017, THE SOVEREIGN PONTIFF APPROVED THESE DECISIONS"

ROME (ChurchMilitant.com) - Pope Francis is requiring that the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) accept an orthodox interpretation of Vatican Council II and the validity of the new Mass in order to be reunited with the Catholic Church.(Lionel: An orthodox interpretation of Vatican Council II is to interpret the Council without the irrational premise.1)

According to a French media report published July 1, the SSPX has received a letter from Cdl. Gerhard Müller, then prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), reminding them that their reunion with the Catholic Church is based on the following conditions:

1. Adherence to the profession of faith written under Pope St. John Paul II in 1988( Lionel : Bradley means a profession of faith with the false premise. So the result is modernism)
2. Explicit acceptance of teachings from Vatican Council II and the post-conciliar period ( Bradley wants the SSPX to interpret Vatican Council with the false premise and so there is a rupture with Tradition 2)
3. Recognition of the validity and legitimacy of the New Rite of Mass and sacraments

​Cardinal Müller says these conditions were contained in the "Doctrinal Declaration" given to the SSPX last year during a meeting on June 13, 2016.(Lionel : He wanted the SSPX to interpret all magisterial documents with the false premise to create a rupture with the Creeds and Catechisms. ) He relates that these same conditions were presented by him with the "approval of the Sovereign Pontiff" to his congregation on May 10 and were approved at that time by a "unanimous decision of all members" of the CDF. He further notes the "Sovereign Pontiff approved these decisions" of the CDF on May 20.(Lionel: The CDF supports schism.) 3

By assuming there is known salvation outside the Church and possibilities known only to God are real people on earth saved outside the Churchthere are objective exceptions to exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.So the dogmaextra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) has alleged objective exceptions. EENS is contradicted and made obsolete.

So by assuming there is known salvation outside the Church the past exclusivist ecclesiology is rejected. It is made obsolete.

By assuming there is known salvation outside the Church the ecumenism of return is rejected. Unitatitis Redintigratio 3 refers to known Christians saved outside the Church. The old ecumenism is rejected and now there is a new ecumenism.

By assuming there is known salvation outside the Church the Syllabus of Errors on exclusive salvation and an ecumenism of return is made obsolete.

By assuming there is known salvation outside the Church the Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation becomes obsolete.

In this way Vatican Council II is also made a rupture with Tradition(EENS, Syllabus of Errors etc).

But there is no known salvation outside the Church. So unknown cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 2 etc cannot be objective examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church.4

Cardinal Müller's five-year term as head of the CDF ended July 2. On June 27, however, while still in charge of the CDF, he sent a letter with the papally approved terms of reunion to Bp. Bernard Fellay, head of the SSPX. The cardinal's letter has subsequently been circulated to all members of the group.

The SSPX has rejected similar terms of reunification with Rome in 2012 and in 2016.(Lionel : The CDF will not interpret Vatican Council II rationally.They want to create a rupture with Tradition ) 5 It is speculated that the group will also reject these conditions. The SSPX claims Vatican Council II is full of doctrinal errors, and these errors are being universally perpetuated by all subsequent popes and the Magisterium.(Lionel: From Pope Paul VI to Pope Francis, Vatican Council II is being interpreted with an irrational premise instead of without it.So there have to be doctrinal errors and heresy.It is official) On its website FAQ, SSPX questions many doctrinal points of Vatican Council II, many teachings of all the popes since then and even the Catechism of the Catholic Church. (Lionel: The CDF and the SSPX have to make the invisible-visible, implicit-explicit distinction when interpreting Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Otherwise the confusion among them will continue. But for political reasons the CDF will not interpret Vatican Council II rationally and Bradley Eli wants the SSPX to also interpret Vatican Council II irrationally and to accept it, like Church Militant TV).

The SSPX even claims the Novus Ordo Mass is intrinsically evil, and no one should ever go to a Mass unless it's in the extraordinary form of the Latin Rite — and only then if it's offered by an SSPX priest. This recent video on the society's website clearly states their long-held position in this regard.

These conditions of accepting an orthodox understanding of Vatican Council II(Lionel: With the false premise, I repeat, there can be no orthodox interpretation of Vatican Council II.The CDF knows this and they are not talking about it in public.)  and the validity of the ordinary form of the Roman rite are not new. In March 2009, Pope Benedict XVI wrote a letter, explaining the SSPX separation is doctrinal(Lionel: Pope Benedict means that the SSPX has to interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise as he does.The SSPX and Bradley Eli are not talking about this) in nature and not merely canonical or legal, as the SSPX would have the public believe.(Lionel: The SSPX will be accepted canonically and legally, like Church Militant TV, when they interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise to create a rupture with EENS, the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.)

Benedict writes:

The fact that the Society of Saint Pius X does not possess a canonical status in the Church is not, in the end, based on disciplinary but on doctrinal reasons. (they have to interpret the Council with a false premise as Pope Benedict does)... In order to make this clear once again: Until the doctrinal questions are clarified,(Until they affirm Vatican Council II, the Catechisms and Creeds with the false premise to create a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors and the Athanasius Creed)  the society has no canonical status in the Church, and its ministers — even though they have been freed of the ecclesiastical penalty — do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church. ... In light of this situation, it is my intention henceforth to join the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei — the body which has been competent since 1988 for those communities and persons who, coming from the Society of Saint Pius X or from similar groups, wish to return to full communion with the Pope — to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. This will make it clear that the problems now to be addressed are essentially doctrinal in nature(they have to choose Vatican Council II(Cushingite) instead of Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) ) and concern primarily the acceptance of the Second Vatican Council( with irrational Cushingism) and the post-conciliar magisterium of the Popes(interpreted only with Cushingism).

The Holy Father continues:

The Church's teaching authority cannot be frozen in the year 1962 — this must be quite clear to the society.(Lionel: Pope Paul VI interpreted Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism; with the false premise instead of without it. Since then the Church is 'frozen' with a schism from the Left. It is official and accepted by the CDF and the present two popes)  But some of those who put themselves forward as great defenders of the council also need to be reminded that Vatican Council II embraces the entire doctrinal history of the Church.(Lionel: Vatican Council II with Cushingism does not embrace the entire doctrinal history of the Church. It is in schism on EENS with the popes before Pius XII ) Anyone who wishes to be obedient to the council has to accept the Faith professed over the centuries (Lionel: Over the centuries they were Feeneyite on EENS. They were Feeneyite on the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and beign saved in invincible ignorance(I.I). From Pope Paul VI the new faith is Cushingite on EENS and BOD, BOB and I.I .This is official heresy and schism. It is a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors, the Athanasius Creed etc) and cannot sever the roots from which the tree draws its life.(Lionel: We have schism from the Left which is trying to appear magisterial. It is not magisterial since the Holy Spirit cannot make an objective mistake and violate the principle of non Contradiction.The Holy Spirit will suddenly not create a gap between faith and reason, as Cushingism does.Cushingism creates the hermeneutic of rupture and Pope Francis and Pope Benedict have accepted it.)- Lionel Andrades

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Their false premise is:- 

1. Invisible people are visible.

2.Unknown case of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are personally known.

3.The unknown case of the catechumen who desired the baptism of water but dies before he received it and is saved, is a personally known person.

4.There is known salvation outside the Catholic Church for us human beings.

5.We can see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water.

6.We can physically see non Catholics in Heaven and on earth who are saved without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).

7.There are non Catholics who are dead- men visible and walking  who are saved outside the Church.

8.There are known people in invincible ignorance through no fault of their own, who are saved.

9.There are some Anglicans and Protestants whom we know who are going to Heaven even though they are outside the Catholic Church.

10.There are some non Catholics whom we know, who are dead, and now are in Heaven, even though they were not Catholic.

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So with the false premise there are objective exceptions to EENS etc:-

1. The Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation is contradicted.

2. The Nicene Creed in which we say, 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' over the centuries referred  to only one known baptism, the baptism of water.The baptism of desire etc cannot be given to someone like the baptism of water.But now the understanding is ' I believe in three or more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins ( desire,blood and ignorance) and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church'.
3. The Apostles Creed says ' we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church'. Over the centuries it was understood that the Holy Spirit guided the Catholic Church and taught that there was no salvation outside the Church.Now  unknown cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, and LG 8, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, are assumd to be objective examples of salvation outside the Church.4.In the past three Church Councils defined the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) in the extraordinary Magisterium .It was an 'infallible teaching' for Pope Pius X( Letter of the Holy Offie 1949).Now it is obsolete with their being alleged known salvation outside the Church.

5.Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are interpreted with the false premise so they become a rupture with EENS( Feeneyite), the Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc.
6.With the false premise the Catechism of Pope Pius X contradict itself. It affirms the strict interpretation of EENS while invincible invincible ignorance is intepreted as referring to personally known non Catholics saved outside the Chuch.Invincible ignorance is not seen as a hypothetical case only.
7.Redemptoris Missio, Dominus Iesus, Ecclesia in Asia, Balamand Declaration  etc were all written upholding the false premise. They did not support exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. So in a subtle way they contradicted EENS(Feeneyite), the Athanasius Creed etc. They did not support the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.They are Christological without the traditional ecclesiocentric ecclesiology. It's Christ without the necessity of membership in the Catholic Church for salvation.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/schism-from-left-created-with-false.html

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AUGUST 28, 2019

SCHISM FROM THE LEFT CREATED WITH A FALSE PREMISE

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/schism-from-left-created-with-false.html

AUGUST 28, 2019

We have a schism from the Left.It is silent, un-announced, seeping and creeping but there all the same

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/we-have-schism-from-leftit-is-silent-un.html

AUGUST 27, 2019

There is a schism in the Catholic Church today and it is from the Left and the liberals and the popes, cardinals and bishops must correct it

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/there-is-schism-in-catholic-church.html

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https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/there-is-schism-in-catholic-church.html

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Now we can correct the error. We know there is no known salvation outside the Church.Possibilities of salvation outside the Church are known only to God are not real people in 2019. So there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II or the Catechism of the Catholic Church to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.

Vatican Council II is traditional, irrespective of the presence of Fr. Karl Rahner  and the other liberals.

They failed to make the Council a rupture with Tradition.

They put all their money on Catholics assuming there is known salvation outside the Church.

The liberal theologian Fr. Joseph Ratzinger  did not give up even as Pope Benedict. In March 2016 (Avvenire) he asked,that when Vatican Council II says there is salvation outside the Church what is the purpose of mission. Since there is salvation outside the Church according to Vatican Council II, he said, EENS is no more like it was for the missionaries in the 16th century.But there is salvation outside the Church only for him. 

LG 8, LG 16 etc are not just possibilities of salvation but real people, personally known non Catholics who are saved outside the Church, for him. 

This was the ruse the other liberals were also counting on to create a rupture with Tradition.Pope Paul VI was there to see that there was a continuituy with the error.

So today Pope Francis is in a schism, a rupture with the popes before Pius XII on EENS.He is in a rupture with the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return. There is a break with  traditional mission based on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.He has to reject the Syllabus of Errors and the the Athanasius Creed since there are allegedly known examples of non Catholics saved outside the Church.There is a change in the understanding of  inter faith marriage and the traditional understanding of the Nicene and Apostles Creed etc.

There is a schism in the Catholic Church today and it is from the Left and the liberals and the popes, cardinals and bishops must correct it.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/there-is-schism-in-catholic-church.html

Church Militant TV repeats the magisterium's false propaganda on Vatican Council II which they have compromised with

https://gloria.tv/article/eyNBMiNgS2QT2JsBi1PMnXpAw

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TUESDAY, AUGUST 27, 2019  

There is a schism in the Catholic Church today and it is from the Left and the liberals and the popes, cardinals and bishops must correct it.

By assuming there is known salvation outside the Church and possibilities known only to God are real people on earth saved outside the Church there are objective exceptions to exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.So the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) has alleged objective exceptions. EENS is contradicted and made obsolete.

So by assuming there is known salvation outside the Church the past exclusivist ecclesiology is rejected. It is made obsolete.

By assuming there is known salvation outside the Church the ecumenism of return is rejected. Unitatitis Redintigratio 3 refers to known Christians saved outside the Church. The old ecumenism is rejected and now there is a new ecumenism.

By assuming there is known salvation outside the Church the Syllabus of Errors on exclusive salvation and an ecumenism of return is made obsolete.

By assuming there is known salvation outside the Church the Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation becomes obsolete.

In this way Vatican Council II is also made a rupture with Tradition(EENS, Syllabus of Errors etc).

But there is no known salvation outside the Church. So unknown cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 2 etc cannot be objective examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church.

How can they be objective exceptions to the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return?

Now we can correct the error. We know there is no known salvation outside the Church.Possibilities of salvation outside the Church are known only to God are not real people in 2019. So there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II or the Catechism of the Catholic Church to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.

Vatican Council II is traditional, irrespective of the presence of Fr. Karl Rahner  and the other liberals.

They failed to make the Council a rupture with Tradition.

They put all their money on Catholics assuming there is known salvation outside the Church.

The liberal theologian Fr. Joseph Ratzinger  did not give up even as Pope Benedict. In March 2016 (Avvenire) he asked,that when Vatican Council II says there is salvation outside the Church what is the purpose of mission. Since there is salvation outside the Church according to Vatican Council II, he said, EENS is no more like it was for the missionaries in the 16th century.But there is salvation outside the Church only for him. 

LG 8, LG 16 etc are not just possibilities of salvation but real people, personally known non Catholics who are saved outside the Church, for him. 

This was the ruse the other liberals were also counting on to create a rupture with Tradition.Pope Paul VI was there to see that there was a continuituy with the error.

So today Pope Francis is in a schism, a rupture with the popes before Pius XII on EENS.He is in a rupture with the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return. There is a break with  traditional mission based on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.He has to reject the Syllabus of Errors and the the Athanasius Creed since there are allegedly known examples of non Catholics saved outside the Church.There is a change in the understanding of  inter faith marriage and the traditional understanding of the Nicene and Apostles Creed etc.

There is a schism in the Catholic Church today and it is from the Left and the liberals and the popes, cardinals and bishops must correct it.

-Lionel Andrades 

AUGUST 26, 2019

U.S Bishops should address the issue of schism in the Catholic Church created with the interpretation of magisterial documents with irrational Cushingism, especially Vatican Council II 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/us-bishops-should-address-issue-of.html

 

AUGUST 26, 2019

The pope interprets Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism.He creates a schism with the popes over the centuries befor Pius XII and Michael Sean Winters at the National Catholic Reporter wants all Catholics to follow this error.It is the pope who is in schism and heresy and he must rectify the error with an announcement 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/the-pope-is-interpreting-vatican.html

 

AUGUST 26, 2019

Feeneyites accept Vatican Council II. They accept that the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) can only be hypothetical cases. They affirm the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) which is not contradicted by hypothetical cases of LG 8, UR 3, GS 22 etc

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/feeneyites-accept-vatican-council-ii.html

 

AUGUST 24, 2019

Masimo Faggioli, Michael Sean Winters interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism and justify so many changes in the Church

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/masimo-faggioli-michael-sean-winters.html

   SATURDAY, AUGUST 31, 2019

Poland, Hungary and Slovakia follow the irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus .So there is no tension with a schismatic Vatican.The bishops conferences support the leftist schism in the Catholic Church.

 Poland, Hungary and Slovakia follow the irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) .So there is no tension with a schismatic Vatican.The bishops conferences  support the leftist schism in the Catholic Church. 

 The bishops conferences are not aware that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF) are  supporting a schism, with the popes of the past.

They have to use a false premise to create a rupture with the past ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return and the proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King with the non separation of Church and State.

1.So with the false premise, Catholics in Poland, Hungary, Slovakia,Croatia etc reject the Athanasius Creed which states outside the Church there is no salvation. 
2.They then reject the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to the Magisterium of the 16th century.

3.They have changed the Nicene Creed with their understanding of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I, referring to personally known, visible and objective non Catholics saved outside the Church. So it is no more, 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins'.Instead it is 'I believe in three or more baptisms for the forgiveness of sins ( desire, blood, invincible ignorance), they are visible and personally known and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.'

4.They have changed the understanding of the Apostles Creed.When we say 'I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church'.For centuries the Holy Spirit taught outside the Church there is salvation. Now the new teaching is outside the Church there is known salvation.

5.They interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise and so LG 8 emerges as an exception to the dogma EENS. This was expressed officially and in public by Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj, at the Placuet Deo Press Conference when a journalist of the Associated Press asked him, if the Church still held that it had the superiority and exclusiveness in salvation.

A priest in Rome who offered the Traditional Latin Mass said that there were no known cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance. They would only be known to God. So he was saying that BOD, BOB and I.I were not exceptions to EENS. 
This was common sense.
 It is obvious that we cannot know of any one saved outside or within the Church with BOD,BOB and I.I.

But for saying this , which I mentioned on this blog, this priest was called up by Archbishop Matteo Zuppi.He was at that time the Auxiliary Bishop of Rome and an active member of the Sant Egido community.

The priest was indirectly saying that he was no more supporting the Leftist schism in the Catholic Church. He was saying that there could only be the traditional strict interpretation of EENS since BOD, BOB and I.I could not be physical exceptions to EENS.

This was not allowed.

The Archbishop then came and met the community.After a week the priest was allowed to offer Holy Mass.

Other priests who do not accept the Leftist schism in the Catholic Church supported with Anti Semitic and under leftist laws, are treated in the same way.

Catholic religious, who go back to Tradition, ignoring the irrational interpretation of magisterial documents by using  a false premise, are being persecuted by ecclesiastical Masonry.

The St.Benedict Center, New Hampshire, who affirms  extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and Vatican Council II without the false premise, has been officially labelled non Catholic.This is the decision of Bishop Peter Libasci, bishop of the Diocese of Manchester, USA and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF).The decision was approved by the far left Southern Poverty Law Center(SPLC).They would not sue the diocese and the Vatican under some leftist law they have created.

Similarly, after Michael Voris produced a good video saying that the Catholic Church is the fulfillment and completion of the Jewish religion and that outside the Catholic Church, there is no salvation. The Archbishop of Detroit, asked Michael not to call his media , Real Catholic TV. So Michael had to remove the word Catholic.Otherwise he would legally not be Catholic for the Left.

Until today CMTV cannot make that particular video available for all and restrict it to premium members of CMTV.

Michael Voris reacted with a program critical of Abraham Foxman and the ADL.

Presently the Catholic  bishops conferences of Poland, Hungary and Slovakia are also following this irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II and EENS and and so there is no tension with a schismatic Vatican on this point.-Lionel Andrades

WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 1, 2018

Repost : It's official : the present Magisterium is in schism doctrinally and they admit it in public

 MARCH 7, 2018

It's official : the present Magisterium is in schism doctrinally and they admit it in public

POPE BENEDICT CONFIRMS SCHISM

Pope Benedict confirmed this schism in March 2016 when he said in public that EENS for him, was  no more like it was for the missionaries in the 16th century. There was 'a development' with Vatican Council II for him.He questioned the need for Mission since for him there was known salvation outside the Church and this was mentioned in Vatican Council II for him.

CARDINAL LADARIA CONFIRMS SCHISM

Then on March 1,2018, two years after the popes schismatic statement, Cardinal Luiz Ladaria at the Press Conference on Placuito Dei confirmed that the Catholic Church no more claims superiority and exclusiveness in salvation, as in the past.He cited Lumen Gentium 8  as an exception  to EENS.Since for him it refers not to a hypothetical case but known people saved outside the Church in the present times.This was his take on LG 8 and definitely not mine.

OFFICIAL SCHISM ON DOCTRINE MADE PUBLIC BY THEM

This is public schism with the popes and Church Councils of the past. Pope Benedict and Cardinal Ladaria could have interpreted Vatican Council II as I do. Then there would not be a rupture with Tradition.They chose not to do so even though there are so many reports on line explaining this error which can be avoided.

It is really the present Magisterium which is in schism and the doctrinal proof is there on line.

Here is the proof. It can be seen with the following three examples.Cardinal Ladaria , when he was Father Luiz Ladaria s.j, interpreted invisible and unknown cases as being known and visible exceptoins to the exclusivist e ecclesiocentrism of the past. This was approved by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.This can be seen in the International Theological Commission' s papers, Christianity and the World Religions(1997),  and The Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die Without Being Baptised,Internaional Theological Commission(2007).

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10. Exclusivist ecclesiocentrism—the fruit of a specific theological system or of a mistaken understanding of the phrase extra ecclesiam nulla salus—is no longer defended by Catholic theologians after the clear statements of Pius XII and Vatican Council II on the possibility of salvation for those who do not belong visibly to the Church (cf, e.g., LG 16; GS 22).-International Theological Commission, Christianity and the World Religions 1997. President : Father Luiz Ladaria s.j 

 http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_cti_1997_cristianesimo-religioni_en.html

MARCH 24, 2012

VATICAN'S INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION MAKES AN ERROR IN ITS POSITION PAPER CHRISTIANITY AND THE WORLD RELIGIONS

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/vaticans-international-theological.html#links

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41. The semina verbi, "seeds of the word", can be found outside the limits of the visible Church and specifically in the different religions; this motif is frequently combined with that of the light which enlightens all men and with that of the preparation for the Gospel (AG 11, 15; LG 16, 17; NA 2; Redemptoris missio, 56).-Christianity and the World Religions, International Theological Commission.

MARCH 26, 2012

INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION ASSUMES ‘SEEDS OF THE WORD’ (VATICAN COUNCIL II ) IN OTHER RELIGIONS ARE KNOWN TO US AND THIS IS AN EXPLICIT EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commission.html#links

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59. The Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston (1949) offers further specifications. “To gain eternal salvation, it is not always required that a person be incorporated in reality (reapse) as a member of the Church, but it is necessary that one belong to it at least in desire and longing (voto et desiderio). It is not always necessary that this desire be explicit as it is with catechumens.-The Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die Without Being Baptised,Internaional Theological Commission(2007)

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070419_un-baptised-infants_en.html

This is public schism but it is not known to Catholics at large because of the following confusion.

1. It is assumed by most people that there are known people in the present times (1965-2018) who are saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and instead with the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and in invincible ignorance(I.I) etc.

2.They assume that the Magisterium was correct and Fr. Leonard Feeney was wrong since the BOD, BOB and I.I  are exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).In other words they know particular people saved with BOD, BOB and I.I.This is irrational and not clear thinking but this is the common way of thinking on this subject.

3.They assume that when the popes referred to BOD,BOB and I.I (Mystici Corporis, Catechisms of Trent,Pius X etc) it was to known people at that time saved outside the Church.Someone saw St.Emerentiana and St.Victor in Heaven without the baptism of water.Again this is irrational No one could have physically seen St.Emerentiana for example in Heaven.This is important. Since for there to be an exception to all needing to be members of the Church for salvation there has to be someone alive, some one who is visible and is saved outside the Church.An invisible person obviously cannot be an exception to EENS.
So a probability or possibility in the past cannot be an exceptioin to EENS in 2018. Again this would be irrational reasoning.

4.They presume that the Magisterium cannot make a mistake on faith and morals.The Magisterium did make a mistake when it accepted the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office.This Letter to the Archbishop of Boston confused hypothetical cases as being objective exceptions to traditional EENS.

5.They assume that the Holy Spirit guides the Church to teach that there are known cases of BOD,BOB and I.I.This is not true.Since in the 16th century for example, the Magisterium and missionaries knew that there were no known exceptions EENS. We can also read this in the statements of the popes and the saints, like St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine who affirmed the 'stict intepretation' of outside the Church there is no salvation.

So it was sadly normal for everyone, when Cardinal Ladaria, made a mistake at the Press Conference on Placuit Deo(March 1,2018).He told the lady journalist from the Associated Press that Lumen Gentium 8(subsist it in/ elements of sanctification and truth in other religions) was an exception to the old teaching on the Catholic Church having the superiority and exclusiveness of salvation.

No one corrected Cardinal Ladaria.No one told him that this was schism.He had a choice.











 He could have re-interpreted Lumen Gentium 8 as just referring to a hypothetical case, an invisible person in the present times.Then there would be no rupture with the past.

-Lionel Andrades

MARCH 7, 2018

I am the only Catholic pointing out this general schism, which is a like a doctrinal epidemic in the Church.I do not use the false premise and so am schism-free.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/i-am-only-catholic-pointing-out-this.html

FEBRUARY 26, 2018

When you read the text of Vatican Council II do not read the text as being for and against extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). This would mean you are using the false premise

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/when-you-read-text-of-vatican-council.html

MARCH 4, 2018

If Cardinal Luiz Ladaria s.j had used the For and Neutral to EENS approach Lumen Gentium 8 would not be a rupture with the old teaching on the superiority and exclusiveness of salvation in the Catholic Church

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/if-cardinal-luiz-ladaria-sj-had-used.html

MARCH 4, 2018

Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.j has duped Catholic traditionalist bloggers and all of them are still clueless.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/cardinal-luiz-ladaria-sj-has-duped.html

RELEVANT LABELS/ TAGS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THIS BLOG

Vatican Council II( premise free)(2)

Vatican Council II(Cushingite).(5)

Vatican Council II(Feeneyite)(8)

Vatican Council II(premise free)(2)

Vatican Council II(premise-free)(6)

 

Vatican Council II and EENS(2)

Vatican Council II but interpreted with two different theologies(2)

Vatican Council II Cushigite(1)

Vatican Council II Cushingite(1)

Vatican Council II Development(1)

Vatican Council II Feeneyite(4)

Vatican.Extra ecclesiam nulla salus(premise free)(1)

Vatican Council II is Feeneyite(11)

Vatican Council II in harmony with EENS( Feeneyite)(1)

  

Nicene Creed(10)

Nicene Creed was changed with the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 mistake(5)

Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Cushingite)(2)

Catechism of the Catholic Church (Feeneyite)(2)

  

Feeneyite EENS(1)

Feeneyite EENS Vatican Council II(Feeneyite)(3)

Feeneyite Theology(1)

Feeneyite Vatican Council II(1)

Feeneyite-Cushingite Model(1)

  

Cushing Additions(2)

Cushing heresy(4)

Cushing-Jesuit Factual Error(22)

Cushing-Jesuit Factual Error Examples in Vatican Council II(25)

Cushingis(2)

Cushingism(104)

Cushingism and the Catholic popes(7)

Cushingism in Vatican Council II(17)

Cushingismo(5)

Cushingite(3)

Cushingite Bishops(1)

Cushingite Theology(6)

Cushingites(1)

Cushngism(2)

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JANUARY 27, 2018

What is Feeneyism? (Graphics)

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/01/what-is-feeneyism.html

JANUARY 27, 2018

What is Cushingism ?(Graphics)

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/01/what-is-cushingism-graphics.html

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