Ad Tuendam Fidem of Pope John Paul II mentions a hierarchy of truths. They apply to Scott Hahn and Ralph Martin.

Ad Tuendam Fidem of Pope John Paul II mentions a hierarchy of truths. They apply to Scott Hahn and Ralph Martin.

For instance, since Lumen Gentium 16 ( incuplable ignorance ) is an exception for them to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), which they do not affirm.

There are also exceptions for them to the Nicene Creed, when we pray, 'We believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.'( It changes for them, to three known baptisms which exclude the baptism of water,they are desire, blood, invincible ignorance etc).This is what happens when a false premise is used to interpret LG 16 to make it a false rupture with EENS and Tradition.

Also since LG 16 is an exception to the strict interpretation of EENS for them, so they do not affirm the strict interpretation according to the popes and saints, they reject the Athanasius Creed. The Athanasius Creed states all need to be Catholic for salvation.

But for Scott Hahn and Ralph Martin all do not need to be Catholic for salvation. There are known exceptions. Since there are known exceptions to EENS for them they are allowed to appear on EWTN. If there were no exceptions to EENS for them, they may not be allowed to speak at conferences.-Lionel Andrades

There have been so many Protestants who have been inspired by Scott Hahn. They converted into the Catholic Church but they entered a liberal Catholic Church. They were taught to use the false premise to create a hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition. They are Catholic converts who are in a rupture with the Catholic Church of the past, which affirmed an exclusivist ecclesiology, now rejected by the present two popes

 There have been so many Protestants who have been inspired by Scott Hahn. They converted into the Catholic Church but they entered  a liberal Catholic Church. They were taught to use the false premise to create a hermeneutic of rupture  with Tradition.

They are Catholic converts who are in a rupture with the Catholic Church of the past, which affirmed an exclusivist ecclesiology, now rejected by the present two popes. They can change all these errors by re-interpreting Vatican Council II without the false premise; without theoretical possibilities  being objective exceptions to traditional EENS. -Lionel Andrades

Ralph Martin is a member of the Vatican's Congregation for the New Evangelisation whose theology is Christocentric and not ecclesiocentric.They do not cite the popes and saints on extra ecclesiam nulla salus and they cite hypothetical cases in Vatican Council II, as being objective examples of salvation with the Sacraments. So Ralph Martin also says that possibilities are objective exceptions to the dogma EENS. If they were not practical exceptions he would be affirming Feeneyite EENS and then he could lose his teaching positiion at the Sacred Heart Major Seminary, Detroit and his television program on EWTN

 Ralph Martin  is a member of the Vatican's Congregation for the New Evangelisation whose theology is Christocentric and not ecclesiocentric.They do not cite the popes and saints on extra ecclesiam nulla salus and they cite hypothetical cases in Vatican Council II, as being objective examples of salvation with the Sacraments.

So Ralph Martin also says that possibilities are objective exceptions to the dogma EENS. If they were not practical exceptions he would be affirming Feeneyite EENS and then he could lose his teaching positiion at the Sacred Heart Major Seminary, Detroit and his television program on EWTN.-Lionel Andrades

Scott Hahn and Ralph Martin will not affirm the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to the popes and saints. They will not stop projecting hypothetical cases as being non hypothetical. Since there is known salvation outside the Catholic Church for them with the use of their irrational premise and inference, they also reject the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX

   

Scott Hahn and Ralph Martin will :-

1. They will not affirm the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to the popes and saints.

2.They will not stop projecting hypothetical cases as being non hypothetical.So for them speculative and objective cases are objective examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church.

3.Since there is known salvation outside the Catholic Church for them with the use of their irrational premise and inference, they also reject the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX. -Lionel Andrades

The books written on Vatican Council II by Aidan Nicols, Massimo Faggioli, Gavin D'Costa, cardinals, bishops and priests use the irrational liberal approach

 The books written on Vatican Council II by Aidan Nicols, Massimo Faggioli, Gavin D'Costa, cardinals, bishops and priests use the irrational liberal approach. 1) They d not cite the pope or saint  who affirms the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. 2) They interpret unknown cases of the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance as being objective exceptions to EENS. 3)So they become personally known people saved outside the Catholic Church and the dogma EENS is made obsolete.-Lionel Andrades

The professors in general at the pontifical universities and seminaries in Italy use the false liberal approach to reject Catholic Tradition.

 The professors in general at the pontifical universities and seminaries in Italy use the  false liberal approach to reject Catholic Tradition. They depend upon an irrationality to confuse students.They are politically obliged to do this by the Left, to keep their teaching job.

1. They will not affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They will not quote a pope or saint.

2.They will cite hypothetical and theoretical cases referenced in Vatican Council II, the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 or the Catechism of the Catholic Church.They will be projected as non hypothetical and objective and known non Catholics saved outside the Church, without the Sacraments.

3.Then they will conclude that the dogma EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX are obsolete. There is a development of doctrine which emerges for them, with the use of a false premise.-Lionel Andrades

1. The popes and saints on extra ecclesiam nulla salus are not cited.

 

2. HYPOTHETICAL AND THEORETICAL POSSIBILITIES ARE CONSIDERED OBJECTIVE EXCEPTIONS TO THE POPES AND SAINTS ON EENS.

1. What does Vatican Council II say about people outside the Church being saved ? Well In Lumen Gentium 16 we do read...yes it is possible that those outside the fold will be saved.

2.St. Thomas Aquinas refers to the baptism of desire for someone who has not received the baptism of water.

3. Whereby God whose power is not tied to visible Sacraments sanctifies man inwardly.

4. Hence St. Ambrose says of his friend the Emperor Valintinian that I lost him but he did not lose the grace he prayed for.

5.God is not bound Sacraments ( CCC 1257).

6.Those who have an implicit desire for the baptism of water can also be saved.

3.At Step 2 the hypothetical cases are considered exceptions to EENS. So the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors had become obsolete for Cardinal Ratzinger, Cardinal Muller, Cardinal Ranjit etc.-Lionel Andrades

Can You Find Salvation Outside the Church? w/ Steve Ray : Matt Fradd uses the false liberal pattern in the interview with a liberal apologist

 

Matt Fradd uses the false liberal pattern in the interview with fellow liberal Steve Ray.Here are his three steps to error.

1.Matt Fradd does not affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) according to St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine.

2

THEORETICAL POSSIBILITIES WHICH ARE EXCEPTIONS TO ST. THOMAS AQUINAS for Steve and Matt.

1.Evangelicals know the faith and live it.

2.God is 'no respecter of persons'.

3.Innocent boy in Africa known to Steve Ray who will be saved as an animist.

4.Catholic Church considers ignorance an factor.

5.Vatican Council II said lets re-define every thing.

6.It is the work of Christ so there can be exceptions.

7.Vatican Council II says there are exceptions. They are saved even outside the Church.

8.We need to work on ecumenism.

9. Those outside the Church are saved through the Church and so they do not need to enter as members.Protestants cannot ve called heretics.

3.So they conclude that there is known salvation outside the Church, phyisically visible cases of non Catholics saved without the Sacraments.These people are objective exceptions  to St. Thomas Aquinas and the saints and popes who affirmed EENS

-Lionel Andrades

Matt Fradd's sponsors want him to use the three point liberal approach to end triumphalism in the Catholic Church.Catholics are fooled with the irrational premise

Matt Fradd's sponsors want him to  use the three point liberal approach to end triumphalism in the Catholic Church.Catholics are fooled with the irrational premise.

1)  He does not quote the popes and saints on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

2) He cites Vatican Council II confusing what is implicit as being explicit.

3) With alleged known salvation outside the Catholic Church he concludes that the exclusive salvation of the past is obsolete. At least for him, point number one is obsolete.-Lionel Andrades