Wednesday, February 12, 2020

Cardinal Ratzinger's Professio Fidei is based upon the use of the irrational premise,inference and conclusion in the interpretation of magisterial documents including Vatican Council






THE PROFESSIO FIDEI OF CARDINAL RATZINGER IS BASED UPON THE IRRATIONAL INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II AND OTHER MAGISTERIAL DOCUMENTS.

Doctrinal Commentary on concluding formula of 'Professio fidei' 1



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OCTOBER 10, 2017


CDF Doctrinal Commentary – Professio fidei supports heresy approved by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/10/cdf-doctrinal-commentary-professio.html


-Lionel Andrades


Fr.Hunwicke,Brother Alex Bugnolo,Louie Verrecchio and Ann Barnhardt interpret Vatican Council II with the irrational premise, inference and conclusion to contradict the Athanasius Creed on outside the Church there is no salvation



 

ATHANASIUS CREED

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Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the catholic faith is this: that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Essence. For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is; such is the Son; and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father uncreated; the Son uncreated; and the Holy Ghost uncreated. The Father unlimited; the Son unlimited; and the Holy Ghost unlimited. The Father eternal; the Son eternal; and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet they are not three eternals; but one eternal. As also there are not three uncreated; nor three infinites, but one uncreated; and one infinite. So likewise the Father is Almighty; the Son Almighty; and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties; but one Almighty. So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord; the Son Lord; and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not three Lords; but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity; to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord; So are we forbidden by the catholic religion; to say, There are three Gods, or three Lords. The Father is made of none; neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created; but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten; but proceeding. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is before, or after another; none is greater, or less than another. But the whole three Persons are coeternal, and coequal. So that in all things, as aforesaid; the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved, let him thus think of the Trinity.
Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting salvation; that he also believe faithfully the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess; that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man; God, of the Substance [Essence] of the Father; begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the Substance [Essence] of his Mother, born in the world. Perfect God; and perfect Man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father, as touching his Godhead; and inferior to the Father as touching his Manhood. Who although he is God and Man; yet he is not two, but one Christ. One; not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh; but by assumption of the Manhood into God. One altogether; not by confusion of Substance [Essence]; but by unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man; so God and Man is one Christ; Who suffered for our salvation; descended into hell; rose again the third day from the dead. He ascended into heaven, he sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty, from whence he will come to judge the living and the dead. At whose coming all men will rise again with their bodies; And shall give account for their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting; and they that have done evil, into everlasting fire. This is the catholic faith; which except a man believe truly and firmly, he cannot be saved. 

-Lionel Andrades

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50 years of Vatican Council II - drama is over : the Council, EENS, Creeds, Catechisms and BOD, BOB and I.I can be interpreted rationally

50 years of Vatican Council II drama is over : the Council, EENS, Creeds, Catechisms and BOD, BOB and I.I can be interpreted rationally.
  
 
   

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-Lionel Andrades

February 12, 2020


Michael Sean Winters, Massimo Faggioli, John Allen jr and Joshua McElwee agree that even though Yves Congar, Karl Rahner, Richard Cushing and Joseph Ratzinger were there at Vatican Council II. the Council can be interpreted with the rational premise, inference and conclusion. Then it will be in harmony with the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church, an ecumenism of return and 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), with no known exceptions. None of them are disputing this. 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/02/michael-sean-winters-massimo-faggioli.html

 

February 11, 2020


All the speakers at the Rome Forum 2020 need to interpret Vatican Council II, the Creeds and Catechisms, EENS and BOD, BOB and I.I without the irrational premise, inference and conclusion to create a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition. 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/02/all-speakers-at-rome-forum-2020-need-to.html

 

February 10, 2020

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Father John Zuhlsdorf irrationally interprets Vatican Council II, extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), the Creeds and Catechisms and BOD,BOB and I.I like Massimo Faggioli, Michael Sean Winters and John Allen jr.: they use the false premise, inference and conclusion. 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/02/father-john-zuhlsdorf-irrationally.html

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TERMS CLARIFIED 
 BOD( Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved and now in Heaven)
BOB (Baptism of Blood. The case of unknown person who is in Heaven as a martyr without the baptism of water)

I.I (Invincible ignorance: The case of an unknown non Catholics who is in Heaven without faith and baptism and instead in invincible ignorance.)

LG 8 ( Lumen Gentium 8: The case of the unknown person saved outside the Church with 'elements of sanctification and truth' or where the true Church of Christ allegedly subsists.
 LG 14 (Lumen Gentium 14:  Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved and now in Heaven)
LG 16 ( Lumen Gentium 16: The case of the unknown person saved outside the Church in invincible ignorance and who is now in Heaven without faith and the baptism of water) 
UR 3 (Unitatitis Redintigratiio 3, Vatican Council II : The case of the unknown Christian, who is saved in his religions without Catholic faith or the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and is allegedly known to someone on earth who has seen him or her in Heaven).
NA 2(  Nostra Aetate 2: The case of  the unknown non Catholic saved outside the Catholic Church without faith and baptism. He or she is saved with good and holy things in other religion or with the a ray of that Truth which enlightens all mankind.

GS 22 (Gaudium et Specs 22. The case of the unknown non Catholic who is saved outside the Catholic Church. He or she is saved without faith and baptism but with goodwill.

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It is not orthodoxy when Roberto dei Mattei interprets the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) with a fake premise, inference and conclusion to create a rupture with 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). For me EENS has no exceptions. For him BOD, BOB and I.I are exceptions to EENS.

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It is not orthodoxy when  Roberto dei Mattei interprets the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) with a fake premise, inference and conclusion to create a rupture with 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). For me EENS has no exceptions. For him BOD, BOB and I.I are exceptions to EENS.
It is not orthodoxy when Mattei interprets Vatican Council II( LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc) with the false premise, inference and conclusion to create a rupture with EENS, the Catechism of Pope Pius X, the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX, the Athanasius Creed( outside the Church no salvation) and the rest of Tradition.
It is not orthodoxy when Mattei interprets the Catechism of the Catholic Church with the false premise,inference and conclusion to create a rupture with EENS, the Catechism of Pope Pius X, the Syllabus of Errors and the Athanasius Creed.
It is not orthodoxy when Mattei interprets the Catechism of Pope Pius X (invincible ignorance) as a rupture with EENS, the Syllabus of Erroirs, Athanasius Creed etc, by using a false premise, inference and conclusion.
It is not orthodoxy when Mattei interprets the Nicene Creed with the false premise, inference and conclusion,so BOD, BOB and I.I become exceptions to 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins'.Today it is, 'I believe in three or more baptisms for the forgiveness of sins and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church'.
It is orthodoxy when Mattei interprets BOD, BOB and I.I with a rational premise, inference and conclusion to create a harmony with 16th century EENS. BOD,BOB and I.I do not contradict EENS as it was interpreted in the Patristic period.They are not exceptions.
It is orthodoxy when Mattei interprets Vatican Council II( LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc) with the rational premise, inference and conclusion. This creates a continuity with EENS etc.
It is orthodoxy when Mattei interprets the Catechism of the Catholic Church with the rational premise, inference and conclusion to create a rupture with EENS, the Catechism of Pope Pius X, Syllabus of Errors and the Athanasius Creed.
It is orthtodoxy when Mattei interpres the Catechism of Pope Pius X( invincible ignorance) with the rational premise, inference and conclusion to create a harmony with EENS, Syllabus of Errors etc.
It is orthodoxy when Mattei interprets the Nicene Creed with the rational premise, inference and conclusion and so the understanding is that we believe in one visible and known baptism, the baptism of water, for the forgiveness of sins.It is not three visible and known baptisms which exclude the baptism of water and so are alleged exceptions to EENS, the Syllabus of Errors, Catechism of Pope Pius X, the Athansius Creed and the rest of Tradition.
Roberto dei Mattei wants to interpret Vatican Council II etc as a rupture with Tradition since he does not want to affirm EENS with no exceptions.So he will say outside the Church there is no salvation and also claim invincible ignorance etc, are practical exceptions to EENS. So he rejects Feeneyite EENS.There are literal cases of being saved in invincible ignorance in the present times for him. This is a false premise. But he remains politically correct with the Left, in this way.-Lionel Andrades 


February 11, 2020

 


Lepanto Foundation,Correspondenza Romano, Radici Cristiane,RadioRomalibera of Roberto dei Mattei do not rationally interpret Vatican Council II, the Creeds and Catechisms, EENS, BOD, BOB and I.I and the Catechism of Pope Pius X : an irrational premise, inference and conclusion is used. 

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/02/lepanto-foundationcorrespondenza-romano.html

 TERMS CLARIFIED 

 BOD( Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved and now in Heaven)
BOB (Baptism of Blood. The case of unknown person who is in Heaven as a martyr without the baptism of water)

I.I (Invincible ignorance: The case of an unknown non Catholics who is in Heaven without faith and baptism and instead in invincible ignorance.)

LG 8 ( Lumen Gentium 8: The case of the unknown person saved outside the Church with 'elements of sanctification and truth' or where the true Church of Christ allegedly subsists.
 LG 14 (Lumen Gentium 14:  Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved and now in Heaven)
LG 16 ( Lumen Gentium 16: The case of the unknown person saved outside the Church in invincible ignorance and who is now in Heaven without faith and the baptism of water) 
UR 3 (Unitatitis Redintigratiio 3, Vatican Council II : The case of the unknown Christian, who is saved in his religions without Catholic faith or the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and is allegedly known to someone on earth who has seen him or her in Heaven).
NA 2(  Nostra Aetate 2: The case of  the unknown non Catholic saved outside the Catholic Church without faith and baptism. He or she is saved with good and holy things in other religion or with the a ray of that Truth which enlightens all mankind.
GS 22 (Gaudium et Specs 22. The case of the unknown non Catholic who is saved outside the Catholic Church. He or she is saved without faith and baptism but with goodwill.

 




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Michael Sean Winters, Massimo Faggioli, John Allen jr and Joshua McElwee agree that even though Yves Congar, Karl Rahner, Richard Cushing and Joseph Ratzinger were there at Vatican Council II. the Council can be interpreted with the rational premise, inference and conclusion. Then it will be in harmony with the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church, an ecumenism of return and 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), with no known exceptions. None of them are disputing this.

So Michael Sean Winters, Massimo Faggioli, John Allen jr and  Joshua McElwee  agree that even though Yves Congar, Karl Rahner, Richard Cushing and Joseph Ratzinger were there at Vatican Council II. the Council can be interpreted with the rational premise, inference and conclusion. Then it will be in harmony with the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church, an ecumenism of return and 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), with no known exceptions.
None of them are disputing this.
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They also agree that when the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood (BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) are interpreted with the rational premise, inference and conclusion, they are not practical exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.They do not contradict Feeneyite EENS.So the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 made an objective mistake.The cardinal who issued the Letter assumed unknown cases of the BOD, BOB and I.I were known exceptions to Feeneyite EENS. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(Holy Office ) made a mistake in 1949 and the mistake was repeated at Vatican Council II. In Ad Gentes 7 for example, BOD and I.I are mentioned with reference to all needing faith and baptism for salvation.BOD and I.I were really irrelevant to EENS.
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So the CDF Secretaries would also be wrong to ask Brother Andre Marie MICM and the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire,to interpret unknown cases of being saved in invincible ignorance as exceptions to EENS. 
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They have officially asked the community of Fr. Leonard Feeney to interpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( CCC 847-848 on Invincible ignorance) as being exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.The CDF Secretaries Morandi and Di Noia use the false premise, inference and conclusion to interpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church. 
The National Catholic Reporter, Crux and Commonweal correspondents agree with me.The Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II do not contradict Feeneyite EENS.The post Vatican Council II ecclesiology is the same as that of the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century.
Neihter do any of the correspondents at the National Catholic Register, EWTN and Catholic Answers have any objections.I have e-mailed them these blog posts.-Lionel Andrades  
TERMS CLARIFIED 
 BOD( Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved and now in Heaven)
BOB (Baptism of Blood. The case of unknown person who is in Heaven as a martyr without the baptism of water)

I.I (Invincible ignorance: The case of an unknown non Catholics who is in Heaven without faith and baptism and instead in invincible ignorance.)

LG 8 ( Lumen Gentium 8: The case of the unknown person saved outside the Church with 'elements of sanctification and truth' or where the true Church of Christ allegedly subsists.
 LG 14 (Lumen Gentium 14:  Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved and now in Heaven)
LG 16 ( Lumen Gentium 16: The case of the unknown person saved outside the Church in invincible ignorance and who is now in Heaven without faith and the baptism of water) 
UR 3 (Unitatitis Redintigratiio 3, Vatican Council II : The case of the unknown Christian, who is saved in his religions without Catholic faith or the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and is allegedly known to someone on earth who has seen him or her in Heaven).
NA 2(  Nostra Aetate 2: The case of  the unknown non Catholic saved outside the Catholic Church without faith and baptism. He or she is saved with good and holy things in other religion or with the a ray of that Truth which enlightens all mankind.
GS 22 (Gaudium et Specs 22. The case of the unknown non Catholic who is saved outside the Catholic Church. He or she is saved without faith and baptism but with goodwill.



 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/brother-andre-marie-micm-brings-de.html