Sunday, February 12, 2023
The Vatican and the Left will excommunicate/laicize/suspend any priest who affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So they do not allow Vatican Council II to be interpreted rationally. They want the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus to be rejected even though it is Biblical.
The Vatican
and the Left will excommunicate/laicize/suspend any priest who affirms the
strict interpretation of the dogma extra
ecclesiam nulla salus. They do not allow Vatican Council II to be
interpreted rationally. They want the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) to be
rejected even though it is Biblical.
The Left and
liberals say that a priest or religious sister, who affirms the dogma outside
the Church there is no salvation, is really rejecting the exceptions for the dogma
EENS, mentioned in Vatican Council II. It is a rejection of Vatican Council II
and is schismatic etc. This is the argument of the liberals.
IN REALITY VATICAN COUNCIL II CANNOT HAVE ANY EXCEPTIONS FOR EENS.
But in
reality LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, are not physically visible
in the present times (2023).They are not known examples of salvation outside the
Church. These are not public cases. We cannot meet or see someone saved in
invincible ignorance (LG 16) or with the baptism of desire (LG 14).So there
really are no exceptions. Hypothetical cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2,
GS 22 etc, do not contradict Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
LEGION OF CHRIST PRIEST RENEGES
I remember,
none of the Legion of Christ priests in the philosophy and theology faculty of
the university (UPRA) was willing to affirm the strict interpretation of the
dogma EENS, when I was studying there in 2002.One of them did. He said it was
the teaching of the Church. He said he would affirm it even though his colleagues
would not do so. So I quoted him on this blog. He then reneged. He did not want to
leave his teaching career with the Legion of Christ.He was afraid.
ROME VICARARIATE THREATHENS PRIESTS WHO AFFIRM EENS: NOW THE PROBLEM IS VATICAN COUNCIL II (RATIONAL)
There are many such cases in Rome. The priest denies the dogma ENS after being threathened by the Rome Vicariate or the Vatican.
The Rome Vicariate also suspended the missionary magazine Christ to the World/Christo al Mondo of the Franciscans of the Immaculate of Fr. Stefano Manelli fi,.It had a report saying the Church had not rejected the dogma EENS. It was still valid.
A diocescan priest who was living with the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, when their seminary was still open, initially affirmed the strict interpretatin of EENS. But later denied it. He was afraid.
ST.JOHN BOSCO HELD THE STRICT INTERPRETATION OF EENS
A Salesian priest at the basilica of the Sacred Heart, in front of Termini, Rome, affirmed the strict interpretation of EENS like St.John Bosco. I quoted him on this blog. Then he seemed to have doubts after I quoted him on this blog.He was afraid.
A diocesan priest who offered the Latin Mass at the church San Giuseppe a Capo le Case, Rome, said that there are no known cases of anyone saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire.I quoted him on this blog.He then was not sure of himself.The community was visited by an Auxiliary Bishop of the Rome Vicariate who is now the Archbishop-Cardinal of Bologna.
DON PIETRO LEONE IS SAFE WHEN HE INTERPRETS VATICAN COUNCIL II IRRATIONALLY. NO PENALTIES, NO SUSPENSION.
So Don Pietro Leone continues to interpret Vatican Council II with the Irrational Premise and Inference, in his series on the web blog Rorate Caeili.
MICHAEL VORIS AND THE SACRED HEART MAJOR SEMINARY : NO SUSPENSIONS
Michael Voris and the faculty at the Sacred Heart Major Seminary, Detroit ( Fastiggi, Martin, Excheviera etc) continue to interpret Vatican Council II with the Fake Premise.No suspensions.
CARDINAL RAYMOND BURKE AND FR. JOHN ZUHLSDORF CONTINUE WITH THE 'APPROVED DECEPTION'.
Cardinal Raymond Burke and Fr. John Zuhlsdorf and Catholic apologists continued with 'the approved deception'.
SSPX PRIESTS LOOK AFTER THEIR CAREER, STATUS AND REPUTATION : BUT NOW VATICAN COUNCIL II IS THE ISSUE AND NOT EENS.
It is the same with the SSPX priests in Rome and Albano, Italy.They are all protecting their career, status and reputation. The principal issue now is Vatican Council II and not EENS.Vatican Council II must only be interpreted rationally.- Lionel Andrades
AUGUST 17, 2020
The Franciscans of the Immaculate magazine Christ to the World ( Cristo al Mondo ) was closed down by the Rome Vicariate. Since it stated that the Church had not rescinded the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). There still is a ban on that mission-magazine https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/08/the-franciscans-of-immaculate-magazine.html
JUNE 2, 2018
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/church-not-retracted-outside-church-no.html
NOVEMBER 18, 2011
THE CHURCH IS MISSION- Pope Benedict XVI (Christ to the World July-October 2011) https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/church-is-mission-pope-benedict-xvi.html
MARCH 9, 2010
When the Council is interpreted rationally it supports Tradition. It is in harmony with the past ecclesiocentricism of the Catholic Church. It supports the ecclesiology of only the old Roman Missal. It is in harmony with the past Magisterium
If there is
a new Apostolic Letter in March-April 2023 banning the Latin Mass it is null
and void since it will be based upon Vatican Council II interpreted
irrationally and not rationally. It will be political and not Catholic.
It will not
be Magisterial. But will be based upon the irrationality of the 1949 Letter of
the Holy Office. We know that the Holy Spirit cannot make an objective error.
For an Apostolic Letter to be Magisterial it must be based upon Vatican Council II interpreted rationally. This is ethical. It also has a continuity with the past Magisterium.
When the Council is interpreted rationally it supports Tradition. It is in harmony with the past ecclesiocentricism of the Catholic Church. It supports the ecclesiology of only the old Roman Missal. - Lionel Andrades
Redemptoris Missio, Dominus Iesus and the other encyclicals and Apostolic Letters of the popes from Paul VI to Francis were issued with the irrational and not rational interpretation of Vatican Council II
Vatican Council II was called to implement the
political victory of the liberals and Masons in the 1949 Letter of the Holy
Office (LOHO) to the Archbishop of Boston.They changed theology. It was over
looked by Pope Pius XII and the popes who followed. Even Archbishop Marcel
Lefebvre did not correct the mistake in the 1949 LOHO.
Without the LOHO error – confusing what is invisible as
visible- there is no liberalism in the Church. There is no New Theology. The
New Theology says outside the Church there is known salvation in the Church . Without
the LOHO error there is no New Theology with new doctrines. The Church will return to the
old theology, the old ecclesiology.
Without the LOHO error and Vatican Council II repeating the LOHO
error, the Church returns to the past strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).There
are no exceptions mentioned for the Athanasius
Creed, the Syllabus of Errors etc.
But Cardinal Ratzinger accepted the LOHO and
interpreted Vatican Council with LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, NA 2, GS 22 etc being exceptions
for EENS. This was his liberal new theology. We can see its bad fruits today in
the Synods
Sister Nathalie Bequart, a Consultant in the Synod says
the Synod is based upon the new ecclesiology of Vatican Council II. She means
the Council, interpreted with- and not without- the error of the 1949 LOHO
error.
Redemptoris Missio, Dominus Iesus and the other
encyclicals and Apostolic Letters of the popes from Paul VI to Francis were issued
with the irrational and not rational interpretation of Vatican Council II..- Lionel Andrades
St. Justin Martyr And The Mass
from CatholicismRocks
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William Hemsworth
St. Justin Martyr And The Mass
Justin Martyr
And The Mass
I was not always
Catholic. Those who knew me before my conversion may be laughing because I was
trying to drag them out of the Catholic Church—and sometimes I was regrettably
successful. To me the Church was the antithesis of the gospel, and it was my obligation
as a “Bible believing” Christian to pull as many people as possible out.
One such person that I tried to get out was my wife. For the sake of her soul I had to show her the errors of the Church and lead her to the truth. This is where things took an interesting turn. This whole time I was attending Mass with her because it was important that we attend Mass as a family, and I would go somewhere else on my own afterwards. I was also enrolled in one of the largest Baptist seminaries at the time and my major was Church history.
Introduced To Justin Martyr
I didn’t expect
it, but among the first few assignments were readings from the Early Church
Fathers. The first I encountered was St. Justin Martyr, and what I read would
change the course of my life. In reading St. Justin’s first apology there
appeared, in back and white, a description of what I called a “church service”
in the early church.
Space doesn’t allow for the full quotation here, but St. Justin described the full order of the Mass. He described how there are readings from the prophets and Gospels, and afterward the presider speaks to them to urge them to live virtuous lives. Afterward they stood to pray, and at the conclusion of the prayer, the gifts of bread and wine are brought forward. The presider prayed over them and those that believe that it became the body and blood of Christ responded with “Amen!” and consumed the species of bread and wine.
The Early Church Celebrated The Mass
Having read this
description, I was now armed with the ammunition to show my wife that the Mass
did not resemble what St. Justin Martyr had described. There was one problem, I
had apparently never paid attention to a full Mass before. As Mass began, I
finalized my mental checklist. Mass began, the opening prayer was said, then
came the first reading from one of the prophets from the Old Testament. Check.
Afterward a reading from one of the epistles and a Gospel was read. Check. The
priest came forward to discuss the reading and how to apply it to our lives.
Check.
At this point, I’m thinking this had to be coincidental, but that conclusion was wrong. The gifts of bread and wine were brought forward, but the water that Justin had described was missing. Just as that thought came into my head the altar server brought it to the deacon. I listened intently to hear anything that would contradict the writing of this great saint, but that was an exercise in futility. The Eucharistic prayer was said, the gifts were consecrated, and they were declared to be the body and blood of Christ.
For many Protestants, seeing this primitive description of the Mass is a real challenge, because it is so different to what we know. In my case it sent me on a journey to try to see if other churches around me met this description. I visited non-denominational, Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, and many other churches. In addition to visiting, I studied their various teachings to drill down to their beliefs. It was the Catholic Church that best fit the description that St. Justin Martyr gave!
St. Justin Martyr shoved me toward the church and did so in a way a loving friend shows another the error of his ways. Christ established a church, and the description given was in that church. It was this church that I had to find if I was to be spiritually and intellectually honest. It had been in front of me for quite a while, but my pride kept me from paying attention. St. Justin Martyr, pray for us!
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