Tuesday, November 22, 2022

We can attend this same Novus Ordo Mass by knowing that there are no exceptions for EENS mentioned in Vatican Council II. So the ecclesiology of the Novus Ordo Mass becomes the same as the ecclesiology of the Traditional Latin and Greek Mass

 And then, of course, there is some truth in the matter  at least if you look at it from the right perspective. For instance, if you look at it from the perspective of Karl Rahner SJ and his descendants, the Council was the beginning of a beginning, the starting signal for a stormy development, yes; and where to? Forward, of course; and away from everything that was before. Seen in this way, every departure from what was before the Council is nothing other than the faithful fulfillment of the Council's very mandate. And 2 + 2 = 5, at least for the Jesuits — and if they have their way, for everyone.

“Is There a Mass of the Council?” — Article by Michael Charlier

https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2022/11/is-there-mass-of-council-article-by.html#more

Yes there was a New Mass of the Council when the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance were projected as being objective exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS)in the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office.

So Fr.Karl Rahner sj could interpret LG 8,14 and 16 as being objective exceptions for traditional EENS and the past exclusivist ecclesiology at the Greek and Latin Mass. 

So this was a Mass with a New Ecclesiology.It had a New Theology.It supported the New Ecumenism. So it was in this sense a New Mass.

But we can attend this same Novus Ordo Mass by knowing that there are no exceptions for EENS mentioned in Vatican Council II. So the ecclesiology of the Novus Ordo Mass becomes the same as the ecclesiology of the Traditional Latin and Greek Mass.- Lionel Andrades




Bishop Michael Olsen, Dr. Taylor Marshall, Michael G.King and the faculty at the Fisher More College were interpreting Vatican Council II with the Irrational Premise, when the Latin Mass was banned

 Bishop Michael Olsen, the bishop of Fort Bend Wayne,Texas and Dr. Taylor Marshall the Chancellor of the Fisher More College, TX,were interpreting Vatican Council II with the Irrational and not Rational Premise, at the time the bishop banned the Latin Mass.Even the President Michael G. King and the faculty were interpreting the Council with the Irrational Premise. The faculty rejected Vatican Council II interpreted with the False Premise while the bishop and Taylor Marshall accepted the Council with the non-traditional conclusion.

None of them knew that they could interpret Vatican Council II rationally and there would be no rupture with Catholic Tradition.The students did not know this too. Since the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican and other dicasteries in the Vatican also interpret the Council unethically.

Today Taylor Marshall and Bishop Olsen, like the CDF and the present two popes, choose to interpret Vatican Council II falsely, to be politically correct with the Left.


The issue at Fisher More College was not really the Latin Mass. The Latin Mass and the Novus Ordo Mass can be offered by a priest who will interpret Vatican Council II, EENS, the Creeds, Catechisms and the Baptism of Desire rationally.

The result is a return to the ecclesiology of the Roman Missal (1870).The priest in his homilies would have to be traditional and not liberal. Since liberalism has no support in a Vatican Council II which is in harmony with the Athanasius Creed and the past ecclesiocentrism of the Church.

Bishop Olsen today permits the Latin Mass ( not TLM) in his diocese but everyone has to interpret Vatican Council II as a break with Tradition.This is not the Traditional Latin Mass. In other words there are physically visible cases of non Catholics saved outside the Church in invincible ignorance(LG16) etc.It is only in this way that there can be practical exceptions for EENS.So EENS with no known exceptions, according to the missionaries in the 16th century,is rejected.It was the missionaries in the Middle Ages who were really, offering the Traditional Latin or Greek Mass. Since there was no break with the past theology of an ecclesiocentric Church.

But the Latin Mass in the diocese of Bishop Olsen today is a break with the ecclesiology of the Patristic period. -Lionel Andrades