Monday, April 11, 2022

Pope Francis must permit the opening of the seminary and church of the Franciscans of the Immaculate in Rome and create reconciliation and unity in the Church


There still is no Latin Mass in my parish and the seminary and old church of the Franciscans of the Immaculate of Fr. Stefano Manelli f.i remains closed and vacant at Boccea, Rome. Pope Francis has to permit academic activity as before.

Fr.Gianfranco Ghirlanda sj is the new Commissar for the F.F.I community.

The issue cannot be Vatican Council II (Irrational) any more. Since it is Pope Francis who must accept Vatican Council II (Rational). The responsibility lies with him. He must not try to force the Franciscans Friars and Sisters of the Immaculate to interpret Vatican Council II ( Rational) with the common Fake Premise ( invisible non Catholics are visible in 2022) and create Vatican Council II ( Irrational ).

Vatican Council II (Irrational) is made with the False Premise to produce Fake Exceptions (LG 16 etc interpreted irrationally) for the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and the Athanasius Creed. This cannot be magisterial. There cannot be a new revelation in the Church based upon a Fake Premise.

The Franciscans of the Immaculate must not be forced to accept the dishonest interpretation of Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents. They would then be supporting heresy and schism with the past Magisterium on de fide teachings (Nicene Creed etc). This is a mortal sin of faith.

The present interpretation of Vatican Council II approved by Pope Francis for the Ecclesia Dei communities is a mortal sin of faith.

The secular organizations, judiciary, ecumenical and inter-faith religious dialogue groups, must also be informed that the Catholic Church no more supports the interpretation of Vatican Council II with a Fake Premise, False Inference and Non Traditional Conclusion, which was common since 1965.Pope Paul VI did not choose the Rational Premise.

FR.ALFONSO BRUNO F.I MUST INFORM SECULAR ORGANISATIONS 

The Franciscans of the Immaculate group ( Fr. Alfonso Bruno f.i) which has split from the main community and offers Holy Mass in Italian and the vernacular, must also inform secular organizations that they interpret Vatican Council II only with the Rational Premise and that this is the honest and ethical thing to do.

1.It means that they interpret LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II as referring to hypothetical cases only in 2022.

2. So LG 8 etc are not objective people in 2022 known to be saved without faith and the baptism of water.

3. So it cannot be inferred that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, are physically visible examples of salvation outside the Church. It cannot be inferred that they contradict the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX (an ecumenism of return) and the Athanasius Creed (all need to be members of the Catholic Church for everlasting life in Heaven).

So Vatican Council II can no more be projected as a rupture with Tradition, in particular, the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.


 
THE REAL ISSUE IS THE FALSE PREMISE AND NOT THE LATIN MASS
The real issue now is the False Premise and not the Latin Mass. Since, Fr. Alfonso Bruno f.i, for example, could offer Holy Mass in Latin or Italian, but use the Rational Premise, to interpret Vatican Council II.Then  there is no break with the Syllabus of Errors ( ecumenism of return/extra ecclesiam nulla salus of the 12the century). The hermeneutic of continuity or rupture with Tradition does not depend upon the liturgy but the rational or irrational premise.

People now this. So he cannot continue to use the False Premise (LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3 etc. refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2022) and False Inference (they are visible and known examples of salvation outside the Church and practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and Non Traditional Conclusion (Vatican Council II is a break with Tradition). People now know the truth about Vatican Council II (Rational).So whether he accepts or rejects Catholic Tradition, depends upon philosophy and theology and not rubrics of the Mass.

ONLY THE RATIONAL PREMISE IS HONEST AND ETHICAL

It would be ethical to interpret Vatican Council II rationally, only. With the rational interpretation, both groups of the FFI would be conservative and orthodox on the salvation issue in particular and ecclesiology in general. There would be unity in theology and doctrine, for both groups. Since there would no more be exceptions in the text of the Council for Tradition (Syllabus, EENS, Athanasius Creed, Catechism of Pope Pius X etc).

So whether they like it or not, with Vatican Council II (Rational) they are back to the old exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church. This would be the teaching at their seminaries and the model for new vocations to the religious life. Their theology would be the same among the two groups, and there would be no break between faith and reason, like in the present times. There will no more be division in the Church, no ‘development of doctrine’ pegged upon a Fake Premise.


UNITY BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS

Irrespective if the two communities offer Holy Mass in Latin only or Latin and Italian, there will not be schism with the 12th century Magisterium. This unity would be the theological basis for proclaiming the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics, the necessity of the non separation of Church and State and the return to Traditional Mission, based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church- all, important for saving souls from the fires of Hell.

THE LAITY WOULD OBJECT IF THERE IS DISHONESTY

The laity would also object if the Franciscans interpret Vatican Council II with a False Premise and pretend that there is a New Theology, New Ecclesiology, New Ecumenism, New Evangelization and New Canon Law etc. This would be dishonesty.

The baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance can only be interpreted rationally. So they are not practical exceptions for 16th century EENS.

 The Catechism of Pope Pius X can only be interpreted rationally. So 29Q (invincible ignorance) is not a practical exception for 24Q and 27Q (outside the Church there is no salvation). We have unity with the Council of Trent.

 POPE FRANCIS MUST BE ASKED TO INTERPRET MAGISTERIAL DOCUMENTS RATIONALLY.

Pope Francis must be asked to affirm the Syllabus of Errors, Catechism of Pope Pius X, Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, all interpreted rationally only. He must then ask the Catholic Bishops Conference and National Catechetical Center in Italy to do the same.This is the honest thing to do. Then there will be consistency in what is taught at the Franciscans of the Immaculate seminary in Rome and the pontifical universities and seminaries in Italy.

-Lionel Andrades

 

Gesù incontriamo il tuo sguardo che entra nella nostra anima e non ci condanna perché pieno di Amore

We now have unity in the Church


We now have unity with the theology and doctrine of the popes and saints over the centuries in the Catholic Church. The Franciscans and Dominicans are no more in a rupture with St. Francis and St. Dominic. Since Vatican Council II (Rational) does not create division in the Church like Vatican Council II (Irrational).

So we can read St. Catherine of Siena and St. Teresa of Avila and there is no break with the exclusivist understanding of the Catholic Church (ecclesiology).Our concept of salvation (soteriology) is the same as it was for the Patristic period and the missionaries in the 16th century.

At Holy Mass in all rites and languages we have the lex orandi, lex credendi of the past. At the Novus Ordo Mass we are back to the Tradition of the Greek Byzantine and Traditional Latin Mass. –Lionel Andrades









DECEMBER 18, 2021

The Franciscans of the Immaculate are free now to interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise at Holy Mass in any rite. They have a moral obligation not to interpret the Council, Creeds and Catechisms with the False Premise.

 

The Franciscans of the Immaculate are free now to interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise at Holy Mass in any rite. They have a moral obligation not to interpret the Council, Creeds and Catechisms with the False Premise.

Traditional beliefs do not depend upon the Latin Mass but the Rational Premise used in the interpretation of Vatican Council II.So even at the Novus Ordo Mass catechesis can be traditional since Vatican Council II is traditional.

It was only the Council interpreted with the Fale Premise by Archbishop Arthur Roche which created his ‘new Magisterium’. Otherwise there is no rupture with ecclesiocentric  passages in the Roman Ritual of 1580.

At  Easter in 2022 at Holy Mass in Latin or vernacular , Vatican Council II can be interpreted with the Rational Premise and there will no more be a rupture with the past ecclesiocentric ecclesiology or any passage of the Roman Missal as it was used over the centuries.-Lionel Andrades




DECEMBER 17, 2021

Now the Franciscans of the Immaculate are in a position to ask the cardinals, bishops and the Commissar to please accept Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise and not impose the False Premise upon them.

 

Now the Franciscans of the Immaculate are in a position to ask the cardinals, bishops and the Commissar to please accept Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise and not impose the False Premise upon them. They could ask Fr. Sabino Ardito sdb, the Commissar, and Fr. Gianfranco Ghirlanda sj, the Canonical Consultant to make an announcement saying that they affirm Vatican Council II only with the Rational Premise.

Also the expected Apostolic Visitors and new Commissars for the Ecclesia Dei communities could announce that they accept Vatican Council II with the Rational and not Fake Premise. They also expect all religious communities to do the same.

In general, Cardinal Braz de Avez must clarify that all religious communities in the Catholic Church must only interpret Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus (baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance) with the Rational Premise. It is unethical to use the Irrational Premise to create a false rupture with Catholic Tradition (EENS, Athanasius Creed, Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX etc).

So the Latin and Novus Ordo Mass could only be allowed for religious communities which interpret Vatican Council II rationally, traditionally and honestly, without the use of the False Premise.

There are no objective cases of non Catholics saved outside the Church in the present times (1965-2021).So the New Theology which says outside the Church there is salvation has to be rejected. It is irrational and unethical for a Catholic to use the New Theology which is propped by a Fake Premise which suggests outside the Church there are known people saved without faith and the baptism of water.

The Franciscans of the Immaculate and the Ecclesia Dei traditionalist communities could confirm that they interpret Vatican Council II with the Old Theology i.e.  without confusing what is invisible as being visible, subjective as being objective, implicit as being explicit and objective as being objective.LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II are always invisible, subjective, implicit, theoretical, speculative and hypothetical, only. They are not objective examples of salvation in 2021.

So Vatican Council II is no more an issue for the Franciscans of the Immaculate as it is for the liberals. Without the False Premise Cardinal Walter Kasper cannot cite the Council. LG 16 for example, is not a break with Tradition, it does not contradict the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).Since it always  refers to an invisible and hypothetical case in 2021.

The Franciscans of the Immaculate could object if Fr. Sabino Ardito still interprets Vatican Council II with the False Premise. Also it would be unethical to allow the other community of the Franciscans of the Immaculate, who offer Holy Mass only in the vernacular, to interpret Vatican Council II, the Creeds, Catechisms and the dogma EENS, with a False Premise.

Fr. Rosario Sammarco f.i, the Rector, of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate seminary, Tiburtina, Rome, must ask the seminarians to only interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise.

There can once again be unity in doctrine and theology between the two groups of the Franciscans of the Immaculate who were divided by Pope Francis.The division was created with the Fake Premise used to interpret the Council and which was rejected Fr. Stefano Manelli f.i, the founder of the community. So Pope Francis closed the seminary at Boccea, Rome and placed a ban on the Third Order, the lay branch of the community.

The Commissars of both groups of the Franciscans of the Immaculate Fr. Sabino 

Ardito and Fr. Gianfranco Ghirlanda must clarify that they themselves interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise and not the Irrational version.-Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/12/now-franciscans-of-immaculate-are-in.html



 DECEMBER 17, 2021

The Franciscans of the Immaculate can ask the Commissar if the books on Vatican Council II can be done away with since they were written with a False Premise

 

The Franciscans of the Immaculate can ask the Commissar Fr. Sabino Ardito sdb and Canonical Consultant Fr. Gianfranco Ghirlanda sj if the books on Vatican Council II in general can be dispensed with . Since they have been written with a False Premise, Inference and non traditional conclusion.

This would include the books of Pope Benedict , Cardinal Kasper and Cardinal Semararo but also those of Fr. Serafino Lanzetta, Moms.Brunero Gherardino and Roberto dei Mattei.They all interpreted Vatican Council II with the False Premise.

The interpretation of Vatican Council II by Alberto Melloni of the Bologna School (FSCIRE) can no more be accepted. Since Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents read with a Rational Premise has a traditional conclusion.The Council is in harmony with the past Magisterium on the Athanasius Creed, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX, the Catechism of Pope Pius X etc.

Fr. Gianfranco Ghirlanda is an author of books on Canon Law. He also needs to clarify for the Canonical Associations in Italy, the Roman Rota and the Jesuit Superior General, that he interprets Vatican Councuil II  only with the Rational Premise.

Vatican Council II interpreted with the Rational Premise has LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc being hypothetical and not objective in 2021.This is something obvious.It is commom sense.Invisible cases in real life are not practical exceptions for EENS. If in a box of oranges there is an apple, the apple is an exception not only because it is different but because it is there in that box.

So the Syllabus of Errors with the exclusivist ecumenism  and ecclesiocentric inter-religious dialogue, or mission, has no exception among invisible cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, in Vatican Council II. There is no break with the past ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church.There are no objective examples of salvation outside the Church, without faith and baptism in 1965-2021.

The norm for salvation is faith and baptism and if there is an exception  it can only be known to God. There is no extraordinary means of salvation known to us human beings. Since physically we cannot meet or see someone saved with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood or invincible ignorance  etc.

We cannot say that there were 20 cases of the baptism of desire last year and 10 cases of persons who were saved in invincible ignorance the previous year.

So with the Rational Interpretation of Vatican Council II( LG 8, LG 16 etc are invisible) and the Irrational Interpretation ( LG 8, LG 16 etc are visible) we have two interpretations of the Council and so the different pastoral approaches since the theology is new ( with exceptions) or old ( without exceptions) and the doctrine is new ( outside the Church there is salvation) or old (outside the Church there is no salvation).-Lionel Andrades



https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/12/the-franciscans-of-immaculate-can-ask.html


APRIL 5, 2022

Vatican Council II (Rational) will bring unity in theology and doctrine within the Catholic Church.It was Vatican Council II (Irrational) which brought liberalism and theological division

 


Vatican Council II (Rational) will bring unity in theology and doctrine within the Catholic Church.This  was not known to the Society of St. Pius X during their doctrinal talks with the Vatican during the pontificate of Pope Benedict.

It was Vatican Council II (Irrational) which brought liberalism and theological division into the Church. The liberal media would accuse the SSPX of being in schism, when really it was the liberalism of the media and the Vatican, which brought a separation with Tradition,schism with the past Magiseterium. With the False Premise non existing practical exceptions were viewed in Vatican Council II for the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX, the Athanasius Creed and the dogma EENS.

Rome can now come back to the Faith as Archbishop’ Marcel Lefebvre wanted. He did not know that there were two ways to interpret Vatican Council II, with and without the False Premise.With Vatican Council II ( Rational) we have a coherence with the Patristic period.  -Lionel Andrades




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 WE HAVE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF 

VATICAN COUNCIL II : YOURS AND MINE


Lionel Andrades

Catholic lay man in Rome. Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial. Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only pastoral.

It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms. There can be two interpretations.Catholics must choose the rational option.

Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, nontraditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional?

Blog: Eucharist and Mission (eucharistandmission)

E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com

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