The Political Premise is an issue in the Catholic Church. If the Rational Premise is used to interpret Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents then there will be clerical sanctions imposed by the Vatican with the approval of the Left, on the priest or bishop.
With the Rational Premise there is harmony with Tradition ( EENS, Athanasius Creed, Syllabus of Errors ertc) and this is not welcome for the Left.
With the Rational Premise there can no more be the 'reforms of Vatican Council II', the 'new revelation and revolution with Vatican Council II' and the' the development of doctrine'.
It is only with the False Premise there can be a false New Theology which says outside the Church there is known salvation and which rejects the old theology which said outside the Church there is no salvation- since there can be no practical and known exceptions for us human beings.
Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano and Bishop Athanasius Schneider use the Political Premise, the False Premise to be politically correct with the Vatican and the Left.
The popes from Paul VI to Francis have used the Political Premise to interpret Vatican Council II and the popes from Pius XII have employed it to interpret extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance- creating a new version, which is Cushingite and not Feeneyite.
So Archbishop Vigano and Bishop Schneider are
avoiding clerical sanctions, like those imposed upon Fr. Leonard Feeney. They
unethically use the False Premise to interpret Vatican Council II etc.
So there is no more mission as in the past, since the False Premise ( there are visible cases of no Catholics saved outside the Church) creates false exceptions (invisible cases of non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church, without Catholic Faith and the baptism of water are exceptions for EENS).So the Athanasius Creed, Syllabus of Errors and dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, which was the theological basis for traditional mission is made obsolete.-Lionel Andrades
JANUARY 23, 2022
Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano and Bishop Athanasius Schneider could have their ecclesiastical and priestly faculties respectively removed if they do not interpret Vatican Council II , the Creeds, Catechisms, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus etc with a Fake Premise ( invisible cases are visible in 1965-2022) and so create a rupture with Tradition, especially the Athanasius Creed, the dogma EENS, the Syllabus of Errors and other Church Documents which affirm the traditional ecclesiocentrism.
Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano and Bishop Athanasius Schneider could have their ecclesiastical and priestly faculties respectively removed, if they do not interpret Vatican Council II , the Creeds, Catechisms, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) etc with a Fake Premise ( invisible cases are visible in 1965-2022) and so create a rupture with Tradition, especially the Athanasius Creed, the dogma EENS, the Syllabus of Errors and other Church Documents which affirm the traditional ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church.
So they tacitly support the official and common heresy and schism and remain politically correct with the Vatican, the Masons and the rest of the Left.
As Lefebvrists there is no danger of being laicized since they employ the same fake premise as the liberals and Masons. They are not Feeneyites.
Unlike the two prudent bishops, Fr. Leonard Feeney was excommunicated and his priestly faculties taken away by Cardinal Richard Cushing, the Archbishop of Boston. This was approved by Pope Pius XII sometime after the creation of Israel as a state. The Jesuit priest would not use the Fake Premise; he would not say invisible cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, were physically visible exceptions for traditional EENS, with no known exceptions.
The two bishops are deflecting attention from the real issue-the Fake Premise, to the Latin Mass, which has nothing to do with their abjuration.
When a bishop does not rationally and traditionally affirm the Creeds, Catechisms, Vatican Council II and the other Councils, EENS, Church declarations (Joint Statement on Justification with the Lutherans, the Balamand Declaration with Orthodox Christians etc), dogmas and traditional doctrines, what’s left? It is like an abjuration of the Faith, material or manifest.
The two bishops are denying the Faith to maintain their ecclesiastical and priestly status.
The laity is following them in ignorance.
Today morning at the Sunday Mass at the church San Silvestro
The laity is following them in ignorance.
Today morning at the Sunday Mass at the church San Silvestro in Capite, Piazza San Silvestro, Rome at Holy Mass in Italian the priest said that this Sunday was dedicated by Pope Francis, for the Word of God; the Bible for Christians.
But how do we interpret the Word of God, the Bible- with or without the False Premise? The dogma EENS for example, comes from the interpretation of John 3:5 and Mark 16:16 etc.The Pallotine Fathers at San Silvestro and the laity in general, like Pope Francis, interpret EENS as having exceptions- but for me there are no exceptions.
The Nicene Creed was recited at Holy Mass. It can be interpreted with or without the False Premise. The Filipino community at the church interprets it with the False Premise and I use the Rational Premise. We all affirm the Nicene Creed but our premise and conclusion are different in the same Church.
So this is the same one, holy, Catholic and apostolic Church in which we are all in, but definitely one of our two interpretations is not apostolic or Patristic.
The interpretation of Church Documents, with the political premise, by Archbishop Vigano and Bishop Schneider, is not apostolic and patristic.With the Fake Premise they reject the old theology and create a new theology which is an innovation, schism and heresy. I affirm the same Church Documents as them but with the Rational Premise there is a hermeneutic of continuity with the Apostles and the Patristic period.
Clerical state
In the Catholic Church, a bishop, priest, or deacon may be dismissed from the clerical state as a penalty for certain grave offences, or by a papal decree granted for grave reasons. This may be because of a serious criminal conviction, heresy, or similar matter.
Affirming Magisterial Documents with the Rational Premise in harmony with the past Magisterium could result in the dismisal of a priest or ecclesiastic from the clerical state. -Lionel Andrades
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JANUARY 22, 2022
Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano and Bishop Athanasius Schneider use the Fake Premise like the liberals. So they offer the Latin Mass in schism and heresy and do not deny it, for political reasons. They do not deny their mortal sins of faith and they hear the Confession of Catholics in sin.
Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano and Bishop Athanasius Schneider use the Fake Premise ( invisible cases of LG 16 etc are visible in 2022) instead of the Rational Premise( invisible cases of LG 8,LG 16,LG 14 etc are physically visible in 2022) and Pope Francis, Pope Benedict and Cardinal Walter Kasper do the same.
So invisible and unknown cases of non Catholics saved with the baptism of desire (LG 14) or invisible ignorance (LG 16) or ‘elements of sanctification and truth in other religions’ (LG 8) are visible and known for them in 1965-2022 so they conclude that there are practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors etc.
For me unknown and invisible cases in 1965-2022 of non Catholics saved according to LG 8, LG 14, and LG 16 are invisible and unknown. So they are not practical exceptions for the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church.
The traditionalists and liberals however use the same False Premise (invisible people are visible in the present times) while I use the Rational Premise (invisible people are invisible in the present times).Their conclusion is non-traditional (EENS is obsolete since there are practical exceptions) and mine is traditional (EENS is not obsolete since there are no practical exceptions in the present times).
So I can go for the Latin Mass and be orthodox while they offer the Latin Mass creating false exceptions for the Athanasius Creed, EENS and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return to the Church etc).This is irregular. It is unorthodox. It is an innovation.
They choose the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition while I choose one of continuity with Tradition.
They choose a break with the past Magisterium which is schism. I avoid it.
They re-interpret the Creeds and Catechisms with the same False Premise (invisible people are visible) and I avoid it. This is first class heresy which I avoid.
So they offer the Latin Mass in schism and heresy and do not deny it, for political reasons.
They do not deny their mortal sins of faith and they hear the Confession of Catholics in sin.
Bishop Schneider when interviewed by Dr. Taylor Marshall has said that there are no literal cases of the baptism of desire (LG 14).So he used the Rational Premise (the invisible cases of the baptism of desire are invisible in the present times).However he is not saying that LG 8, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II also refer to hypothetical cases. It would mean the Council does not contradict EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors.
He does not affirm these Church Documents with no exceptions. There are exceptions for him, so the Council is a break with Tradition. This is the traditionalist position on Vatican Council II which is politically correct with the Left and the Vatican. It is acceptable for them. It is also the liberal position.They affirm the Council with exceptions and so there is a break with Tradition which they accept.
They both use the same False Premise but the traditionalists in a vague way and the liberals accept it.
But for the two bishops this is not ethical even by secular standards when they use the False Premise to create an artificial break with Catholic Tradition, in particular the old theology which was ecclesiocentric.They are following the Left in their interpretation of Vatican Council II and are liberals and not traditionalists.-Lionel Andrades
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