Wikipedia’s entries on Vatican Council II, extra ecclesiam nulla sales, Fr. Leonard Feeney, Feeneyism, etc reek with the Boston Heresy of the popes from Pius XII to Francis

 

EWTN, National Catholic Register, Catholic Answers and Catholic Culture interpret the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance with the Boston Heresy. They are supported by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), Vatican. The Boston Heresy is created with the use of a false premise and inference which results in a nontraditional and heretical and schismatic conclusion. The Boston Heresy can be seen in a EWTN report, titled, Tragic Errors of Fr. Leonard Feeney by Fr. William Most. It has been placed on the Internet by Jeff Mirus' Trinity Communications. It is unethical. It contradicts Mother Angelica's traditional and orthodox interpretation of outside the Church there is no salvation, by confusing what is invisible as being visible.

The Boston Heresy Case refers to the heresy of the Archbishop of Boston Cardinal Richard Cushing and Pope Pius XII. They were interpreting physically invisible cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) as being visible exceptions for the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX, the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24Q, 27Q) etc.

Wikipedia’s entries on Vatican Council II, extra ecclesiam nulla sales, Fr. Leonard Feeney, Feeneyism, etc reek with the Boston Heresy of the popes from Pius XII to Francis.-Lionel Andrades

 MARCH 23, 2022

The Boston Heresy Case refers to Cardinal Richard Cushing and the American Jesuits supported by Pope Pius XII. They were using the False Premise to bring schism and heresy into the Catholic Church

 

The Boston Heresy Case refers to Cardinal Richard Cushing and the American Jesuits supported by Pope Pius XII. They were using the False Premise to bring schism and heresy into the Catholic Church. The popes over looked the error.  -Lionel Andrades

Pope Pius XII, Pope Paul VI and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre did not seem to know this. This is now the heresy of the popes from Pius XII to Francis. This is the Boston Heresy. I call it Cushingism.

 

The Boston Heresy Case referred to the heresy of the Archbishop of Boston Cardinal Richard Cushing and Pope Pius XII. They were interpreting physically invisible cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) as being visible exceptions for the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX, the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24Q, 27Q) etc.

Now we know that BOD, BOB and I.I are not objective people for us humans. No one met or saw any such case in 1949 or 1965.

But Pope Pius XII, Pope Paul VI and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre did not seem to know this. This is now the heresy of the popes from Pius XII to Francis. This is the Boston Heresy. I call it Cushingism.

Today there can be two interpretations of BOD, BOB and I.I, rational and irrational, without the false premise or with it.

There can be two interpretations of LG 14 (baptism of desire) and LG 16 (saved in invincible ignorance), rational or irrational, without or with the false premise.

The conclusion will be different. It is traditional or nontraditional, orthodox or heretical.

The interpretation of the BOD, BOB and I.I and Vatican Council II by the Society of St. Pius X, the sedevacantists and the liberals, is irrational and heretical. My interpretation is rational and traditional. They use the false premise. I avoid it.

When we use the rational premise to interpret Vatican Council II it is like watering the roots of a plant. This nourishes the branches, leaves, bark and the whole tree. In the same way with the rational premise we return to the past theology, the past ecclesiology, traditional exclusivist mission, the past faith and morals and coherence between pre and post Vatican Council II theology. There is a continuity with the theology and teachings of the founders of the great religious communities, Franciscans, Carmelites, Dominicans, Jesuits etc. - Lionel Andrades

https://johnjburnslibrary.wordpress.com/2015/11/30/outside-bc-there-was-leonard-feeney-father-keleher-the-fired-four-and-the-boston-heresy-case/

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 JUNE 11, 2019

For me the present two popes and the CDF are heretical and irrational. They violate the Principle of Non Contradiction. It is the same error made my the traditionalists and sedevacantists in the interpretation of Vatican Council II.

You err if you are saying the church teaches baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation.

Lionel:

I am saying that there are no literal cases of BOD, BOB and I.I in 2019 and there were none in the past. You agree with me. Whether it is important or not is another issue. You agree with me. This is important. You are also saying like me that there are no physically visible and personally known cases of BOD, BOB and I.I.There is no denial from you.So for now we are in the same boat.

Now if a pope or cardinal says that BOD, BOB and I.I are exceptions to EENS then he implies that there are known cases of BOD, BOB and I.I for them to be exceptions.But you agree and are saying that there are no objective cases of  BOD, BOB and I.I in our reality.None where you are and none where I am.

If the ecclesiastics, the present Church, teach that BOB etc are exceptions to EENS then they violate the Principle of Non Contradiction. Even a pope can violate the Principle of Non Contradiction. How can someone saved in Heaven with BOD etc be also present and visible on earth to be seen as an exception to EENS ? It does not make sense.

Since the time of Pope Pius XII the popes have been interpreting BOD, BOB and I.I as being exceptions to EENS and this is irrational and heretical.

None of the popes before Pius XII stated that BOD, BOB and I.I are exceptions to EENS since it is obvious that they can be only hypothetical. I do not have to say it - it is fact, that they can only be hypothetical.So all the popes before Pius XII supported Fr. Leonard Feeney, when, it is understood that BOD, BOB and I.I could never ever be exceptions to EENS.

So the present two popes are irrational. Their irrationality results in heresy.They create a schism with the past popes on EENS, the Athanasius Creed etc.

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The church does not teach that.

Since Pius XII the Church does not teach this. Agreed. Since upon visible- for- them- cases of BOD, BOB and I.I a New Theology was created.It has now spread and has become a New Ecclesiology. It is all  based upon a false premise( visible and not hypothetical cases of BOD, BOB and I.I).This was the theology of the Declaration issued yesterday by the cardinals and bishops, including Cardinal Raymond Burke.

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Grace is absolutely necessary for salvation, but water baptism is only a relative necessity of means to obtaining the grace.

Grace is necessary for salvation and so is water baptism. Please do not pit one against the other.

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And if you acknowledge that the state of grace can be obtained without the water (which has been taught for 2000 years), then this refutes your absolute necessity argument.

Water baptism is needed for salvation and it is accompanied by grace. Faith and grace is a free gift of God. However man also has to cooperate with the grace freely given.

If you are saying that the state of grace can be obtained without the baptism of water and this has been taught for 2000 years, in a theoretical and speculative sense I would say O.K. As a possibility known only to God, fine.

If you are saying that the state of grace can be obtained without the baptism of water and there are particular people saved as such who are known to you I would say it is irrational and heretical.

So it is important to clarify, whether you are referring to a hypothetical case or a personally known, objective case.

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It does not matter if the cases are hypothetical. You either concede the theological possibility, as ... now does, or you dont, in which case you depart from the Catholic dogmas on grace.

The BOD, BOB and I.I are always hypothetical. There are no two ways around this.This is a given always. It was known as such for centuries in the Church.This is common sense. So it did not have to be discussed.It is something taken for granted. They can only be seen as possibilities known to God...

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Again, it does not matter if the cases are hypothetical and unknown.

They are always hypothetical,this is my point. We have to agree that they are always hypothetical and unknown.Since if you say that BOD, BOB and I.I are personally known and not theoretical cases for us human beings in general, then we cannot have a discussion, since our realities would be different.

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It does not matter if you cannot discern potency from act in the soul.

This is another philosophical issue. Please do not use it as an analogy.

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Can grace be obtained by BOD? You concede the possibility, even if the cases are unknown.

Theoretically you can decide what you want as along as you do not project it as an exception to EENS.

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If you die in a state of grace you are saved.

Yes.

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If you deny the same (unclear) you are a heretic. It does not matter if the cases are always hypothetical.

It is not a question of agreeing if they are always hypothetical. They are always hypothetical and you do not deny this .So if they are hypothetical for you how can you and the Church say that they are exceptions to EENS ?

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You are falsely equating hypothetical with impossible.

I equate hypothetical as theoretical.

Synonyms for hypothetical

• debatable
• imaginary
• speculative
• theoretical
• vague
• academic
• assumptive
• conjecturable
• conjectural
• imagined
• postulated
• suppose
• 
  

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If you concede the possibility, you agree with the church. If you dont, you depart from the church.

I am saying that hypothetical-for-us-always-of cases of BOD, BOB and I.I are not practical exceptions to EENS. So I agree with the Church before Pope Pius XII. The present two popes do not interpret EENS like the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century. This was confirmed by Pope Benedict (Avvenire,March 2016)

I am saying that hypothetical-for-us-human beings-always of cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are not literal exceptions to EENS. So I disagree with the present two popes and the CDF on their interpretation of Vatican Council II. For me Vatican Council II ( without the false interpretation) is in harmony with Feeneyite EENS.

For me the  present two popes and the CDF are heretical and irrational. They violate the Principle of Non Contradiction. It is the same error made my the traditionalists and sedevacantists in the interpretation of Vatican Council II.-Lionel Andrades

THURSDAY, MARCH 21, 2019

Catholics in heresy

1.The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) tellls us that all need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation.So when a Catholic says invisible cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) are visible exceptions to EENS, it is heresy.He cannot physically see or meet non Catholics saved in I.I, BOD, BOB.If there are people saved as such they would only be known to God.So we cannot change the meaning of EENS by assuming there are exceptions.Practically there cannot be exceptions.Theoretical possibilities of salvation are not literal cases.There are no literal cases of BOD, BOB and I.I  in 2019 but for most Catholics BOD, BOB and I.I are exceptions to EENS.

2.The popes and saints referred to BOD, BOB and I.I and knew they could be only hypothetical cases. So they were not exceptions to EENS for them.To re-interpret BOD, BOB and I.I as referring to personally known people saved outside the Catholic Church is deceptive.To assume Mystici Corporis, the Catechism of Pope Pius X, Catechism of the Council of Trent etc, when they mentioned BOD, BOB and I.I, as referring to objective and literal exceptions  to EENS, is a heretical reading of magisterial documents.

3.It is first class heresy to change the meaning of the Nicene Creed. We pray, 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins'.One baptism refers to the baptism of water.We can only  physically see and repeat  the baptism of water. However for many Catholics there is not one but three known baptisms(BOD,BOD, I.I) and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.This is heresy.Who among us can administer the other baptisms which exclude the baptism of water.

4.In the Apostles Creed we pray,' I believe in the Holy Spirit the Holy Catholic Church'.For many Catholics the Holy Spirit teaches the Catholic Church that BOD, BOB and I.I refer to personally known people saved outside the Church. This is irrational.It is also heretical.How can we interpret the Apostles Creed and other Church documents with this irrationality and then consider the conclusion magisterial ?.

5.In Vatican Council II, LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to hypothetical cases.They are not physically seen people saved outside the Church in 1965-2019.There are no such people who exist in our reality. To assume LG 8 etc are exceptions to EENS is heresy.
Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS and the past exclusivist ecclesiology.While AG 7 and LG 14 support Feeneyite EENS.AG 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation. All - and not just those who know about Jesus and the Church.Those who are in invincible ignorance, through no fault of their own, are not exceptions to EENS.
Most Catholics heretically interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with Tradition (Syllabus of Errors, ecumenism of return etc).

6.Similarly when the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994) refers to BOD, BOB and I.I it is not a rupture with the strict interpretation of EENS.While CCC 846 cites AG 7, which supports EENS.
So to re-interpret BOD, BOB and I.I and LG 8, LG 14,LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in the Catechism, as being exceptions to EENS, since there are alleged known people saved outside the Church, is irrational and changes the interpretation of the Catechism. This is heresy. 
The same mistake can be made in the interpretation of the the Catechisms of Pope Pius X and Trent. 
7.The Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX was a Magisterial document.We cannot reject it by assuming there are known exceptions to EENS and an ecumenism of return.There are no visible cases of BOD, BOB and I.I and LG 8, UR 3, GS 22 etc.For Pope Benedict, Cardinal Gerhard Muller, Cardinal Malcolm Ranjit and other ecclesiastics to consider the Syllabus of Errors as now being obsolete, because of known salvation outside the Church, is heresy.

8.The references to hypothetical cases in the Decree on Ecumenism in Vatican Council II (UR 3 etc) must not be seen as exceptions to EENS and an ecumenism of return.Since they cannot be practical exceptions. There is no other option.So Protestants must still return to the Catholic Church for salvation. Yet many Catholics interpret Unitatis Redintigratio as suggesting there is personally known salvation in other Christian religions.There is a rupture with EENS in UR 3.This is heretical.
There is no basis for the New Ecumenism in Vatican Council II.Other Christians, theologically, still need to come into the Catholic Church for salvation.
9. The Catechism of Pope Pius X mentions being saved in invincible ignorance and also the need to be a member of the Catholic Church for salvation.Since invincible ignorance, for example, refers to only a hypothetical case, this Catechism only affirms the strict interpretation of EENS.However the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) and the sedevacantists (CMRI,MHFM etc) interpret invincible ignorance as referring to personally known people.So they are exceptions to EENS.This is irrational and heretical.They have created the exceptions when this Catechism does not mention any.

10.The New Theology is based upon BOD, BOB and I.I being exceptions to EENS( Letter of the Holy Office 1949).BOD, BOB and I.I, we now know, cannot be exceptions to EENS. So the Letter of the Holy Office (LOHO) was heretical.

Redemptoris Missio and Dominus Iesus were written and approved by Cardinal  Joseph Ratzinger based on the heretical New Theology.The same mistake is there in two theological papers of the the International Theological Commission ( Christianity and the World Religions(1997) and The Hope of Salvation for Infants who Die without being Baptised(2007) ).
Similarly the Balamand Declaration and the Joint Declaration on Justification with the Lutherans was based on the heretical New Theology.  
Many of the Council Fathers at Vatican Council II accepted the New Theology.In principle hypothetical cases were assumed to be objective examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church.So LG 14 indicates that only those who know about Jesus and the Church and who do not enter, go to Hell.It excludes those who are in invincible ignorance and are allegedly personally known.This is heresy and the reasoning is convoluted.
REINTERPRETATION
Since 'the red is not an exception to the blue'  1 we can read all Church documents in a rational and non heretical way, in spite of the mistakes of the past. 
The popes and cardinals did not correct the error in the Fr.Leonard Feeney case.It was the Holy Office (CDF) and the Archbishop of Boston, Cardinal Richard Cushing, who were in heresy and not Fr.Leonard Feeney.
So the first part of LOHO affirms the strict interpretation of EENS and the second part which mentions BOD, BOB and I.I does not conflict with it.
Similarly when the Catechisms and the popes and saints  affirm the strict interpretation of EENS they are still Feeneyites.Since BOD, BOB and I.I which they mention, can never be exceptions to EENS. 
Similarly Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are also Feeneyite, since the red passages  do  not contradict the blue.
So inspite of the New Theology, we can re-read Redemptoris Missio and Dominus Iesus as being Feeneyite, with the red not being an exception to the blue.
So the ecclesiology of the Catholic Church before and after Vatican Council II is still the same.We are back to traditional Catholic mision- doctrine and theology.There is only an ecumenism of return and there is no rational theological basis for the New Ecumenism, New Evangelisation, New Ecclesiolgy, New Theology etc.There were all based upon known salvation outside the Catholic Church. 
So EENS today is the same as it was in the 16th century.Vatican Council II is no  more a rupture with EENS. 
The text of Vatican Council II is heretical though when it suggests BOD, BOB and I.I are exceptions to all needing faith and baptism for salvation (AG 7, LG 14) and that invincible ignorance refers to personally known non Catholics saved outside the Church so only those who know about Jesus and the Church need to enter for salvation(LG 14).
-Lionel Andrades

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• Red is not an exception to the blue :CCC 846-848 (2)
• Red not an exception to blue mapping(1)

 FEBRUARY 9, 2019

The red is not an exception to the blue' : new extraordinary understanding of Vatican Council II

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/the-red-is-not-exception-to-blue-new.html

JANUARY 27, 2019

Repost : The red is not an exception to the blue, the red does not contradict the blue : Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/repost-red-is-not-exception-to-blue-red.html

JANUARY 25, 2019

For me the red does not contradict the blue so there is a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition ( Graphics)

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/for-me-red-does-not-contrradict-blue-so.html


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JANUARY 25, 2019

The Social Reign of Christ the King can be proclaimed based on Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church which affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS)

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-social-reign-of-christ-king-can-be.html

 JANUARY 24, 2019

Vatican Council II's Decree on Ecumenism ( Unitatis Redintigratio) supports the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/vatican-council-iis-decree-on-ecumenism.html

JANUARY 11, 2019

Traditionalist cites Vatican Council II in support of Tradition - the Restoration has begun

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/traditionalist-cites-vatican-council-ii.html

JANUARY 8, 2019

St.Robert Bellarmine was a Feeneyite and so was St. Thomas Aquinas.So is Vatican Council II

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/strobert-bellarmine-was-feeneyite-and.html

JANUARY 5, 2019

Vatican Council II has a heretical theology but in a peculiar way it can be interpreted non heretically

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/vatican-council-ii-has-heretical.html

 DECEMBER 31, 2018

The Traditional Latin Mass must not be separated from the exclusive-salvation theology of Vatican Council II (Graphics)

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-traditional-latin-mass-must-not-be.html

DECEMBER 27, 2018

Even though Cardinal Ratzinger wrote magisterial documents with a false premise and inference we can re-interpret them without the error : Vatican Council II can be Feeneyite or Cushingite

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/even-though-cardinal-ratzinger-wrote.html

 DECEMBER 26, 2018

What is the difference between the old and new theology? How is the new theology created ? : important to know

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/what-is-difference-between-old-and-new.html

DECEMBER 23, 2018

Edward Pentin supports heresy - and receives the Eucharist at Mass in sacrilege ? He rejects the Syllabus of Errors , Athanasius Creed, past catechisms, original understanding of the Nicene Creed,the dogma EENS and reinterprets Vatican Council II as a rupture with Tradition when it is not

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/edward-pentin-supports-heresy-and.html

DECEMBER 17, 2018

The Church is Necessary

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-church-is-necessary.html




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