The English religious communities in Rome are non Magisterial on Vatican Council II, like Pope Francis.They need to switch to the rational interpretation of the Council and face the persecution in England.
Fake premise
Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.
Fake inference
They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.
Fake conclusion
Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extraecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.
Rational Premise
LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.
Rational Inference
They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.
Rational Conclusion
Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.
The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-Lionel Andrades
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APRIL 19, 2021
Pope Francis is not Magisterial on Vatican Council II, the Creeds and Catechisms since he interprets BOD, BOB and I.I with a false premise, inference and conclusion. So there is a false rupture with the past Magisterium and the Church today is schismatic and heretical
Fake premise
The Baptism of Desire, Baptism of Blood and Invincible Ignorance refer to physically visible cases in 1949-2021.
Fake inference
They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.They are examples of known non Catholics saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water.
Fake conclusion
So they contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma extraecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.
Rational Premise
The Baptism of Desire, Baptism of Blood and Invincible Ignorance refer to physically invisible cases in 1949-2021
They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.
Rational Inference
They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.They are not examples of known non Catholics saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water.
Rational Conclusion
They do not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.They donot contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.
The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.
Fake premise
Lumen Gentium 14(Baptism of Desire), Lumen Gentium 16 (Invincible ignorance) etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.
Fake inference
They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.
Fake conclusion
Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extraecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.
Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.
Rational Premise
Lumen Gentium 14 and Lumen Gentium 16 in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.
Rational Inference
They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.
Rational Conclusion
Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.
The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.
Since Pope Francis interprets the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance with the false premise his interpretation of the Apostles Creed and the Nicene Creed is irrational and differs from my interpretation.
" I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" - Apostles Creed
Pope Francis
1. Do you say in church, at Holy Mass when the Creed is prayed, " I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" and mean that the Holy Spirit guides the Church today to teach that outside the Catholic Church there is salvation, known salvation, there are visible non Catholics saved without faith and the baptism of water and so there is no communion with the saints on extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed etc ?
Or,
Lionel:
2. Do you say in
APRIL 19, 2021
The National Catechetical Office, Italy interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise, a false inference and a non traditional conclusion.This cannot be Magisterial.How could the Holy Spirit make such an objective mistake and not choose the rational option?
at Mass , "I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" and then mean that the Holy Spirit guides the Church today to teach that outside the Church there isno known salvation, there are no physically visible non Catholics in 2021 saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and so there is communion with the saints - Francis of Assisi, Ignatius of Loyola, Francis Xavier, Catherine of Siena, Maximillian Kolbe etc - on extra ecclesiam nulla salus( with no exceptions, like in the 16th century) the Athanasius Creed which says all need to be Catholic for salvation, the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24Q, 27Q), the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return), Quas Primas of Pope Pius XI on the Proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King in all political legislation etc ?
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins - Nicene Creed
Lionel :
1. There is one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, it is the baptism of water. It is physically visible and repeatable.
Or.
For Pope Francis
2.There are more than three baptisms for the forgiveness of sins, they are known baptisms, personally visible. They arethe baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance. They exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and so are practical exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) as explained in the Letter of the Holy Office(CDF) 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston. It was referenced also in Vatican Council II(Lumen Gentium 16).
Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.- Athanasius Creed
Pope Francis:
Since the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance contradict exclusive salvation in the Church and the Catholic Church is no more ecclesiocentric in its ecclesiology Pope Francis has to reject the Athanasius Creed.
Lionel:
For me there are no practical exceptions to EENS or the Creeds in the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance which are always hypothetical and invisible for us human beings.Invisible and speculative cases cannot be objective exceptions to the teaching of the Athanasius Creed.
When Pope Francis avoids the false premise, inference and conclusion their interpretation of the Creeds will be Magisterial and in harmony with the past Magisterium. There would be no hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition.-Lionel Andrades
APRIL 19, 2021
The National Catechetical Office, Italy interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise, a false inference and a non traditional conclusion.This cannot be Magisterial.How could the Holy Spirit make such an objective mistake and not choose the rational option?
Pope Francis is not Magisterial on Vatican Council II since he interprets it with it the false premise. Without the false premise the Council would be Magisterial and in harmony with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church
Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.
It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.There can be two interpretations.
Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, non traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional ?
Bishop Robert Barron follows Pope Francis' non Magisterial interpretation of Vatican Council II and is giving talks on the Council.
He does not mention that Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano called for the rejection of Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise, inference and conclusion. Vatican Council II interpreted without the false premise is Magisterial. It does not contradict the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church.It is not a rupture with Tradition ( EENS etc).
He calls, Catholics who do not accept Vatican Council II interpreted with the deceptive premise, as 'extremists'.
I attend Holy Mass in Italian. I am a supporter of the lay movements and Medugorje. I attend the Latin Mass when possible but I interpret Vatican Council II with the rational premise, inference and conclusion. So the ecclesiology of the Church has not changed for me.
Mission is still traditional since all non Catholics are oriented to Hell with no known exceptions for me. It is not only those 'who know'(LG 14) who are oriented to Hell.In general there are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), defined by three Church Councils, and so all non Catholics need faith and baptism in the Catholic Church to go to Heaven.
For me inter faith marriages are adultery since the non Catholic spouse is outside the Church and is on the way to Hell.While the Catholic spouse is living in adultery.Both should not receive the Eucharist in this irregular situation.
For me it would be a sin if I did not vote for a political party which supports the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics ( example Militia Christ, Forza Nuova etc) and instead voted for a secular-Satanic , or liberal-Satanic political party which promotes abortion, homosexual marrages etc.
So I do not have to go for only the Latin Mass to be considered conservative. I can attend the Novus Ordo Mass and affirm the strict interpretation of EENS in harmony with Vatican Council II.Similarly I do not have to believe only those ' who know' will go to Hell. I can affirm traditional Mission doctrine and still go for Mass in Italian.
I can affirm hypothetical for us baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance along with the strict interpretation of EENS. I do not have to choose. It is not either-or.
Bishop Barron can no more criticize only the traditionalists since when he interprets Vatican Council II without the false premise then he becomes an 'extremist'.-Lionel Andrades
APRIL 22, 2021
Bishop Robert Barron interpreted Vatican Council II with a fake premise and received the 1.5 million Templeton Grant
The German government and the German Catholic Bishops Conference must stop funding theological projects in which Vatican Council II is interpreted with a false premise. It is unethical. - Lionel Andrades
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With the rational premise, inference and conclusion there would be no rupture with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), the Athanasius Creed( outside the Church no salvation), the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX( ecumenism of return) and the Catechism of Pope Pius X( 24 Q,27Q-other religions are not paths to salvation and their members need to convert into the Catholic Church with faith and the baptism of water(AG 7) to avoid Hell).However with the rational premise Alberto Melloni would not be able to receive funds from the Government.Since the Council would be politically incorrect with the Left.
The FSCIRE has AlberigoSchool for Advanced Religious Studies which interprets the Council with the fake premise and so suggests that there is known salvation outside the Catholic Church.
The FSCIRE also has the Andreatta College was acquired by the University of Bologna and subsequently loaned to the Foundation until 2049 .In 2012 the Communist President of Italy Giorgio Napolitano renamed the College .The College guarantees world-class facilities to scholars from Italy and around the world.The College accommodates doctoral and post-doctoral students as well as visiting scholars from European institutes of higher learning according to the FSCIRE website.
The activities of this institution are controversial since they provide false information to the students on Vatican Council II and support a political and non Magisterial interpretation of the Council.
Their Scientific Committee would be aware that it is false to project a false premise to create a non real inference at Newton's level of physics and then conclude that there are objective to the traditional strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus of the 16th century.
It is like based on the false Peking Man, that Fr. Pierre Teilhard de ChardinSJ developed his theory on evolution and re-incarnation.
Inspite of the discovery of the fraud New Age and Leftist groups are still promoting Chardin.
Fake premise
Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.
Fake inference
They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.
Fake conclusion
Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extraecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.
Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.
Rational Premise
LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.
Rational Inference
They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.
Rational Conclusion
Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.
The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-Lionel Andrades
The new Italian Prime Minister Mario Dragi accepts Prof. Alberto Melloni's official interpretation of Vatican Council II which is dishonest.
Melloni's Bologna School, is funded by the Italian leftist government.
Melloni like Dragi unethically uses a false premise to make Vatican Council II emerge as a rupture with the Italy's popes and saints over history. -Lionel Andrades
If Prof. Alberto Melloni of the Bologna School would interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise of the New Theology, the Italian Government may not continue to finance him.He would be taking the Catholic Church back to Tradition. -Lionel Andrades
John XXIII Foundation for Religious Sciences (FSCIRE), the "Bologna School, interprets Vatican Council II with the common false premise.There is no transparency on this issue
The Italian government is funding Alberto Melloni's John XXIII Foundation for Religious Sciences (FSCIRE), the headquarters of the so-called "Bologna School,"1guaranteedanother yearly million-euro funding for 2020–2022.Melloni uses the irrational model to interpret Vatican Council II. It is only with a false premise, inference and conclusion that he makes the Council a rupture with Tradition. He could choose the rational premise, inference and conclusion.
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With this rational model, the Vatican, the Bologna School, Archbishop Pegro and Cardinal Matteo Zuppi , would not be contradicting the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.
ATHANASIUS CREED
'Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly...' ___________________________________
The political party Lega Salvini needs to take up the issue in the Italian Senate of the Italian priests Fathers Riccardo Petroni, Matteo Riboli, Lorenzo Mazzetti di Pietralata, Emanuele Lonardi and Enrico D'Urso deprived of the status of being a priest and made lay men, by Archbishop Peregro in Ferrara, who rejects the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) with an irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II, supported by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF), Vatican
The political party Lega Salvini needs to take up the issue in the Italian Senate of the Italian priests FathersRiccardo Petroni, Matteo Riboli, Lorenzo Mazzetti di Pietralata, Emanuele Lonardi and Enrico D'Urso deprived of the status of being a priest and made lay men, by Archbishop Peregro in Ferrara, who rejects the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) with an irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II, supported by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF), Vatican.
It is unethical and dishonest for the Archbishop and his Curia in Ferrara-Commachio, not to affirm the dogma EENS, the Athanasius Creed, the past exclusivist ecclesiology based upon the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and an ecumenism of return into the Catholic Church for the Lutherans and other Christians.This is not possible for Archbishop Peregro since he re-interprets Vatican Council II irrationally as did Pope Paul VI.
The Archbishop must be asked by Lega Mayor Alan Fabri to re-interpret the Creeds and Catechisms rationally, affirm the dogma EENS like the traditionalists and re instate the expelled priests.
An archbishop who cannot affirm the dogma EENS in public should not be an archbishop and he should not be allowed to expel priests who do affirm EENS rationally and traditionally.
In the Senate the Vatican must be asked to reaffirm the dogma EENS and Vatican Council II with the rational premise, inference and conclusion just like the Italian saints Padre Pio, Gemma Galgani, Catherine of Siena and the popes over the centuries.
Similarly the Senate must be asked why does the Italian Government annually finance the Bologna School of Professor Melloni 1 when he interprets Vatican Council II with the same irrational premise, inference and conclusionas does Archbishop Perego.A false rupture is created with the dogma EENS and the rest of Tradition, inthe same unethical way by Cardinal Matteo Zuppi, Archbishop of Bologna, who oversees Ferrara and Emilia Romano, where the Familia Christi serve.-Lionel Andrades
John XXIII Foundation for Religious Sciences (FSCIRE), the "Bologna School, interprets Vatican Council II with the common false premise.There is no transparency on this issue
The Italian government is funding Alberto Melloni's John XXIII Foundation for Religious Sciences (FSCIRE), the headquarters of the so-called "Bologna School,"1guaranteedanother yearly million-euro funding for 2020–2022.Melloni uses the irrational model to interpret Vatican Council II. It is only with a false premise, inference and conclusion that he makes the Council a rupture with Tradition. He could choose the rational premise, inference and conclusion.
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With this rational model, the Vatican, the Bologna School, Archbishop Pegro and Cardinal Matteo Zuppi , would not be contradicting the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.
ATHANASIUS CREED
'Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly...' ___________________________________
Pope Francis interprets the Creeds with a false premise, inference and conclusion. This was un precedented over the centuries.
Pope Pius XII and Pope John XXIII and the following popes, interpreted extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) with a false premise.Pope Paul VI and the following popes interpreted Vatican Council II with the false premise.
Now Pope Francis interprets the Creeds and Vatican Council Ii with the false premise and so creates a hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition on ecumenism, traditional ecclesiocentic mission, liturgy with the old exclusivist ecclesiology and traditional ecclesiology.It's a different Catholic Church now.The whole Church is following him in the error, conservatives and liberals.
Bishop Schneider, Maike Hickson and John Henry Weston continue to interpret LG 8 and UR 3 in Vatican Council II as exceptions to EENS. Bishop Bernard Fellay did this continously. He never corrected himself. He probably will go to the end of his life, with this error, like Fr.Nicholas Gruner and John Vennari.
If the popes interpret the Creeds without the false premise, like me, they would be opposed by the Jewish Left.There would be persecution.Now there is support.
The two popes do not affirm the Creeds to avoid a persecution of the Church. They have changed the faith-teachings of the Church.
So the official Profession of Faith and Oath of Office for Cardinals, Bishops, Rectors, Superiors and Parish Priests are mere words supporting heresy and dissent.
All the books in Italy which cite Vatican Council II, in general are in error, since the Council is interpreted with a false premise, inference and conclusion. So it is wrong for the Italian Government to annually finance the Bologna School of Alberto Melloni. He receives about a million a year it is reported.
Gabriele Albonetti of the Leftist Partito Democratico is member of the Board of Trustees of Melloni's Fondazione per le scienze religiose Giovanni XXIII, also called the Bologna School.
Melloni does not affirm Vatican Council II without the false premise, for then the Council would support the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).Melloni's talks on Lutheranism would then be false.His talk on Italian society today being based on Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally , is also false.His talks on the Council supporting the liberalism of Pope Francis is also false.The interpretation of Vatican Council II with the irrationality, is now obsolete.
All the books and articles on Vatican Council II in Italy were written with a false premise, inference and conclusion.Lionel's Blog is an exception.Salvini's Lega political party could take up this issue in the Italian Senate
The political party Lega Salvini needs to take up the issue in the Italian Senate of the Italian priests Fathers Riccardo Petroni, Matteo Riboli, Lorenzo Mazzetti di Pietralata, Emanuele Lonardi and Enrico D'Urso deprived of the status of being a priest and made lay men, by Archbishop Peregro in Ferrara, who rejects the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) with an irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II, supported by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF), Vatican
La Scuola di Bologna sul Concilio Vaticano II dello storico Alberto Melloni è finanziata ogni anno dal governo di sinistra italiano quando interpreta il Concilio con una irrazionale premessa, inferenza e conclusione per respingere il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus se è stato interpretato nel papi Italiani nel corso dei secoli.
-Lionel Andrades
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NOVEMBER 17, 2019
Pope Francis needs to tell Eugenio Scalfari that articles and reports in his newspaper on Vatican Council II have a built-in error : Andrea Tornielli needs to clean up the Vatican websites which carry the same mistake
Andrea Torneilli and the Vatican Press Office by now know that they interpret Vatican Council II with the irrational model and not the rational one.Pope Francis is probably informed and he must be saying that that we cannot go back to Tradition and the past and yet we cannot interpret Vatican Council II irrationally. We cannot irrationally interpret the Creeds and Catechism. There cannot be a false profession of faith( Professio Fidei).
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