They interpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church with hypothetical cases assumed to be objective examples of non Catholics, saved outside the Catholic Church in the present time(2019).Then they infer that these 'visible non Catholics' are examples of salvation outside the Church.They conclude that the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) as it was interpreted over the centuries is obsolete.Since there are exceptions for them.
So with reference to CCC 846-848, the red passages would contradict the blue passage.
Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848
Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848
"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
- Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
- Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."
Similarly the two questions in the Disturbing Points 1 would also be interpreted irrationally since they have to create a false rupture with Feeneyite EENS and an ecumenism of return.
The religious communities, Paulist Fathers and the community of St. Camillio de Lellis, will participate. irrationally too.
They also use Cushingite theology to interpret Dominus Iesus and the Letter of the Holy Office 1949(LOHO).The red is an exception to the blue.2
For me LOHO does not contradict Feeneyite EENS.
The first part of LOHO supports traditional EENS and in the second part- the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance can only refer to hypothetical cases. They can only be theoretical.So they never ever were objective exceptions to the first part of LOHO and Feeneyite EENS.
When the red is not an exception to the blue for a Catholic, then it means that the other Christians participating in the procession tomorrow, are oriented to Hell.They need to enter the Catholic Church with faith and the baptism of water ( AG 7, LG 14 Vatican Council II).Magisterial documents are orthodox only.There is no more a for and against EENS interpretation.A for and against EENS interpretation of Vatican Council II, for example, would be Cushingism. It would mean the false premise is being used.
The religious communities organizing the procession,however, use the common ruse.At Catechism classes underway in the parishes,including the church of San Camillio de Lellis, they use an irrational premise and inference to interpret Vatican Council II and then act as if this is normal.
The Evangelical Lutherans who participate in the procession tomorrow do not know that Vatican Council II can be interpreted with Feeneyism (hypothetical cases are just hypothetical) instead of Cushingism( hypothetical cases are not hypothetical but objective) .The interpretation of the Council changes.
The parish of San Camillio di Lellis which organizes the procession tomorrow also had a Way of the Cross on March 30, in the church, which was to be presided by Mons. Gianricco Ruzza, the Auxiliary Bishop of Rome Central and the Secretary at the Rome Vicariate,according to the parish website.
Without the LOHO(Cushingite) philosophy and new theology Lutherans are all on the way to Hell. But the LOHO irrationality, that of there being known cases of the baptism of desire in the present times, creates a rupture with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the ecumenism of return.The Syllabus of Errors is rejected.
This is a schism with the past popes on EENS and the teaching on Protestants being in heresy.
When the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus is rejected and that too with the LOHO irrationality, it is a mortal sin.3 The faith is changed. There is a new understanding of the Creeds and Catechisms and Vatican Council II becomes a rupture with the past exclusive ecclesiology of the Catholic Church.
With Cushingism Catholics loose their identity and a artificial rupture with Tradition is created.Heresy is the norm.This would not be known to many of the Catholics participating in the procession tomorrow.
-Lionel Andrades
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DISTURBING POINTS
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TWO QUESTIONS
1) We cannot meet or see someone saved in invincible ignorance (I.I), baptism of desire(BOD) and baptism of blood(BOB) in 2019.We cannot physically see people saved in Heaven?
2) Since there are no cases of I.I,BOD, BOB in our reality, they cannot be examples of salvation outside the Church.They are not exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) ?
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TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
See this text in the Catechism of the Catholic Church(846-848). The red passages do not contradict the blue passage . If the redcontradicts the blue, you are irrational. It is an irrational interpretation.
"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
- Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door.Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
- Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."
-Lionel Andrades
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Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him...- Ad Gentes 7. Vatican Council II
Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II
14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.
They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion. He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but, as it were, only in a "bodily" manner and not "in his heart."(12*) All the Church's children should remember that their exalted status is to be attributed not to their own merits but to the special grace of Christ. If they fail moreover to respond to that grace in thought, word and deed, not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged.(13*)
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II
Unitatis Redintigratio (Decree on Ecumenism), Vatican Council II
It follows that the separated Churches(23) and Communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church.
Nevertheless, our separated brethren, whether considered as individuals or as Communities and Churches, are not blessed with that unity which Jesus Christ wished to bestow on all those who through Him were born again into one body, and with Him quickened to newness of life - that unity which the Holy Scriptures and the ancient Tradition of the Church proclaim. For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from the means of salvation. We believe that Our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, in order to establish the one Body of Christ on earth to which all should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the people of God. This people of God, though still in its members liable to sin, is ever growing in Christ during its pilgrimage on earth, and is guided by God's gentle wisdom, according to His hidden designs, until it shall happily arrive at the fullness of eternal glory in the heavenly Jerusalem.-Unitatis Redintigratio (Decree on Ecumenism), Vatican Council II
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